ChesusRice
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Reread what I posted. However there are no Seal recruiters on the streets. They dont even bother. If you display what they want in boot camp they will look you up
Navy seal killed at gun range along with another person
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echelon1k1
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I never once mentioned SEAL recruiters. And yes Naval recruiters will play the SEAL angle. DOD even authorised SEALs & SWCC to be in a movie as the producers had a pre-existing relationship with NSW, because they'd previously shot recruitment/capex video for them.
FlyLikeAnEagle
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Chris Kyle openly bragged about killing people and was an absolute sociopath. Proud of killing 160 people. What kind of person goes on late night talkshows to promote a book that brags about all the people they killed?
ChesusRice
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Illegal Smile
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Do you doubt that they were people who needed killing?
FlyLikeAnEagle
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Being a paid military sniper killing people defending their own country? Who knows. But you have to be pretty fucking sick in the head to be proud about it either way.
Doer
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So, it isn't right to force volunteer soldiers into harms way? You are making no sense. But, OK for conscripts? Few people are that stupid these days. You have no idea why they sign up, do you? Just making it up. Do you really think in war time soldiers are motivated the way you say?
What I see is the opposite. They sign up to fight. Boot camps and pre-training facilties turn away hundreds of applicants. Women want to fight.
Hundreds more flunk the combat capabilities but they still want to FIGHT for the USA somehow. And sure, out of 100,000 there are a few that whine about volunteering for goodies but having to kill. Reality.
Technically they volunteer? That is stupid. It really shows you are off the mark. You want peace without killing. No way. People that are afraid of guns don't sign up.
Doer
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This is not even a question. It is an interlock set of Big Lies.
Doer
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He is payng attention. Seemingly you are not. He is a civilian, iac, though CnC.
The President can "do" almost nothing, if this is what you call, doing something.
What? A Executive Order. What would it say?
Doer
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I've been watch these "Making the Cut," series on TV. I'm from a military family and I am interested in the motivation question. There are so many applicants to all the special schools. They flunk them at various rates, from 35% to 70%. Many American want to fight. Not all can be snake eaters OTH, I saw episode on the Sapper school in the Army, it's one of the 3 tabs, with Ranger and Special Forces the other 2.
IAC, here was this 90# female Captain. She passed. She had the same standards as the rest. Sappers are front line rescue sometimes.
To see her rappel with a 180# Soldier strapped to her back was one thing. To see her push 100m in fireman's carry, with the guy was astounding. Wimps need not apply. When we got too wimpy is when the USA will have the draft again.
And notice the forces that are deep into the wimping of American. Starts in the home with the fear of guns and an not given reality but feed a line of bullshit about non-violence. And then society embraces stupidity and we have to Draft.
The 60s in the Nam.
Now, why is it every time a conflict happens, the Left, Barney Frank, et al, will call for the Draft? Just think about it.
GrowinDad
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I am not saying that it is ALWAYS wrong to send troops into harms way. What I am saying is that they have no say in whether it is a "just" war, say WW2, or complete bullshit, like almost every military action since. 9/11 did get lots of recruits who wanted to fight Al Quaeda. Unfortunately, they have no army or geography so they got sent to kill people in Iraq instead. And I would still say even then that the majority of kids signing up did so because they saw no other options, not to kill people. If we were truly under attack, I would support a draft. But that ain't gonna happen. And if someone invaded our soil just because they hated our leader, I would venture to guess that americans would respond the way many iraqis and afghanis did - with bullets fired at the invaders. And that is the basis of why I say we were sending kids wrongly into harm's way.
Read some Chomsky andvstudy our true foreign policy. You will see these wars were avoidable and caused by our actions decades ago. Who empowered Saddam and gave him chemical weapons? Whosupported the muhajadeen that morphed into the taliban and al quaeda? Who overthrew mossadeq in iran, installing the shaw and ultimately caused the revolution there?
Ato quote Franti again "those who start wars will never fight them.And those who fight wars will never like them". Talk to vets who may have idealistically joined when they get back after fighting. Their views have changed.
We all do things at 18 that we may not support later on. No one deserves to die or be handicapped for our youthful indiscretions.
Read some Chomsky andvstudy our true foreign policy. You will see these wars were avoidable and caused by our actions decades ago. Who empowered Saddam and gave him chemical weapons? Whosupported the muhajadeen that morphed into the taliban and al quaeda? Who overthrew mossadeq in iran, installing the shaw and ultimately caused the revolution there?
Ato quote Franti again "those who start wars will never fight them.And those who fight wars will never like them". Talk to vets who may have idealistically joined when they get back after fighting. Their views have changed.
We all do things at 18 that we may not support later on. No one deserves to die or be handicapped for our youthful indiscretions.
Doer
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Everyone says to read the theories. I have. It almost got me killed. I say get a Life. Understand what is real.
It is generally called dilettante thinking, amateur.
It sounds so silly to say, "see how the wars were avoidable" by action we should not have taken decades before. What??
Man, you really sound like you are thinking in the Ivory Tower.
We can't go back. Yes, we fucked up years before and now we have war. It is unavoidable.
We can't fix the fuck up that already happened. can't go back. But, that's no reason to wimp. We caused it.
Our responsibly is to not shirk the war the USA needs now, to un-twist the fuck ups of the past.
It is generally called dilettante thinking, amateur.
It sounds so silly to say, "see how the wars were avoidable" by action we should not have taken decades before. What??
Man, you really sound like you are thinking in the Ivory Tower.
We can't go back. Yes, we fucked up years before and now we have war. It is unavoidable.
We can't fix the fuck up that already happened. can't go back. But, that's no reason to wimp. We caused it.
Our responsibly is to not shirk the war the USA needs now, to un-twist the fuck ups of the past.
GrowinDad
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If we do not learn from our mistakes we are destined for them to happen over and over. FWIW, Clinton should have stopped the Taliban rather than offer them recognition in return for an oil pipeline. Those fuckers hd to go, no doubt. Dubya could have bombed the AQ camps before they had time to escape. And Iraq just didn't need to happen at all.
But we can go on waving our flags, supporting wars that kill innocent people on both sides, breed more hatred of us, and claim it is jealousy or hatred of our culture, all while feeling we support our troops. Or we can be objective, think about what we are doing and what it might lead to in a decade or two, and maybe just maybe we'll learn we are all humans and start using our money and might to help life domestically and abroad. Being informed, skeptical, and rational ain't an ivory tower, it's someone who wants a better, safer world for his kids.
But the great thing is that we can disagree on things without it causing violence, something the neocons, war mongers, and military industrial complex don't seem to get. Wrong is wrong and just because the good ole US of A does it does not make it right.
But we can go on waving our flags, supporting wars that kill innocent people on both sides, breed more hatred of us, and claim it is jealousy or hatred of our culture, all while feeling we support our troops. Or we can be objective, think about what we are doing and what it might lead to in a decade or two, and maybe just maybe we'll learn we are all humans and start using our money and might to help life domestically and abroad. Being informed, skeptical, and rational ain't an ivory tower, it's someone who wants a better, safer world for his kids.
But the great thing is that we can disagree on things without it causing violence, something the neocons, war mongers, and military industrial complex don't seem to get. Wrong is wrong and just because the good ole US of A does it does not make it right.
Doer
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But we don't learn in the world. Despite the fact we try to learn from mistakes, it does happen over an over. Reality.
Not mistakes at all. That is just Monday morning quarterback. We do what we can, and the next generation takes over.
Really, people would do themselves some good to dig in to see how complicated this all is. It it not some simple "that was a mistake." History says later. You know we could be in WW3 right now, according the history books that will be written, in the future. Even those will disagree. But, we aren't allowed to know much. Like WW2.
But, if you hang up on labels and take sides, you go nowhere. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is not Real.
Not mistakes at all. That is just Monday morning quarterback. We do what we can, and the next generation takes over.
Really, people would do themselves some good to dig in to see how complicated this all is. It it not some simple "that was a mistake." History says later. You know we could be in WW3 right now, according the history books that will be written, in the future. Even those will disagree. But, we aren't allowed to know much. Like WW2.
But, if you hang up on labels and take sides, you go nowhere. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is not Real.
Canna Sylvan
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Do you live under a bridge? 99% of the Marines I've talked to said how they wish they'd had to opportunity to blast them "sand niggers" and how all those Hanoi Jane (Fonda) types here in the USA should be fair game too. The Marines either are that delusional, or really think they're just as elite as SEALs. One Marine told me how his commanding officer was a coward and a traitor for making them bug out when, "I could've killed a few of them turban heads." Marines don't respect officers much, "If I didn't want to work for a living, I'd become an officer." I don't know if they get taught that to improve morale.
Rancho Cucamonga
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Chris was killed by a ex-Marine who he was trying to help through PTSD. Both victims had their backs turned to the murder when they were killed.
THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A FAILED MENTAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, NOT GUN CONTROL. Our own government, the one you want to disarm all of us, wouldn't help the murderer with his PTSD, so he seeked help from fellow Marines.
If you were in front of me right now I wouldn't pull my handgun, I'd fucking beat the shit out of you. Just a total asshole you are.
UncleBuck
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third lol of the day from you. even funnier is that you're super cereal.
canndo
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I disagree. We had the Vietnam war and the draft was in place. our society will always be divided into those powerful enough to have their sons (and perhaps daughters) avoid the draft or the consequences of the draft and those who will always be subject to it. Nothing is likely to change were the draft to be reinstituted.
canndo
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I don't. But I doubt that any individual has the right or ability to determine who those people are.