Mystecism

Anyone into mysticism?

http://www.boudicca.de/keysol-1e.pdf

King Solomon of the Bible that is.

I've read the Greater and Lesser Keys.

I'm a mystic in the sense that I seek to understand the systems of higher powers. At the same time, I am a firm believer in personal communion with nature and as such am a shaman.

It's hard to classify mysticism and shamanism, but there are a lot of relative pursuits.

Yes
I have read them both as well.

Have you read any Books of the Dead? (ie. egyptian, etc.)

I find most mysticism fascinating.

I too am shamanistic in nature and practice.

Have you tried grounding and centering lately?

Egyptian and Tibetan.

I practice grounding meditation on a regular basis and centering is a big part of my Tantric practices.

Coolness.

I found grounding by pretending I am a tree growing from seed and then centering is very relieving as a form of meditation.

I've actually heard of a meditation like that. It wasn't a grounding practice, but we use it in Tantra sometimes to expand the levels of bliss without dropping out our minds (the hardest thing I've ever had to learn).

Drives my fiancee insane. We live in apartments and she always TRIES to muffle herself.

Definitely recommend Tantric practices for anyone in love. Hell, just pm me and I can teach you the basics.

Would you mind explaining this tantric thought to me please? I've heard of tantric sex before, having sex for hours without actually having sex. Sex in your head, I think.

I didn't know there was tantric without the sex bit before.

I am less familar with it than reprogramed is.

I have read alot about it several years ago.

The main idea behind tantra (more specifically tantric sex) is that you are able to drop away all trappings of the mind and feel both bodily and cosmic sensations.
This dualism, if trained on very hard, can allow both people an opportunity to experience connection with the higher systems of our universe, and as such the people engaged in it can stop the need for physical orgasm until the users deem necessary.
I can actually dictate when I finish, how hard I finish, etc.

Reprogammed said:

The main idea behind tantra (more specifically tantric sex) is that you are able to drop away all trappings of the mind and feel both bodily and cosmic sensations.
This dualism, if trained on very hard, can allow both people an opportunity to experience connection with the higher systems of our universe, and as such the people engaged in it can stop the need for physical orgasm until the users deem necessary.
I can actually dictate when I finish, how hard I finish, etc.

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Right. The last bit is something all men (i think) train themselves in. Not exactly difficult.

I'm interested in the higher systems of our universe, what are these?

Haha. That's kind of hard for me to dictate a set of manifestations, as it varies from each person.

It could be anything from a slight feeling of contacting some God or another, or being enveloped with sensual light.

It's basically breaking through the illusion of the world around us to shift into our primal connection with divinity.

Reprogammed said:

Haha. That's kind of hard for me to dictate a set of manifestations, as it varies from each person.

It could be anything from a slight feeling of contacting some God or another, or being enveloped with sensual light.

It's basically breaking through the illusion of the world around us to shift into our primal connection with divinity.

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Are you sure we don't just make it up? As in, search for something and finding something? we enjoy tricking ourselves, make-believe... it makes us feel safe.

That's a question I get quite a bit.
But as I said, the ultimate goal of Tantric sex is to drop the mind, so anyone actively looking for something, or even thinking about it (thought is a process of the mind) isn't accomplishing this.

Reprogammed said:

That's a question I get quite a bit.
But as I said, the ultimate goal of Tantric sex is to drop the mind, so anyone actively looking for something, or even thinking about it (thought is a process of the mind) isn't accomplishing this.

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Are you sure?

To get to this state you must ask your mind to get there. You may believe you are doing something else, but the subliminal order is sent to your mind ordering it to respond in a certain way, the way you want it to.

Belief is a powerful tool. I wonder, often, at how far it can be pushed.

Sorry reprogramed I am with skunk on this.
I believe this sounds like tricking yourself.

Skunk you may want to look into Shamanism based on Astrology.
Also check out sacred geometry.

skunkushybrid said:

Are you sure?

To get to this state you must ask your mind to get there. You may believe you are doing something else, but the subliminal order is sent to your mind ordering it to respond in a certain way, the way you want it to.

Belief is a powerful tool. I wonder, often, at how far it can be pushed.

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I apologize for not clarifying this sooner.

You see, it is indeed foolhardy and self-dishonest to ask yourself something that grand. That only feeds into the illusion of perception. Direct seeking of this, as I've said, is a direct contradiction of tantra. You must feel it, not picture it. Find the one circuit that will help you, then catapult.

It's kind of like going with the flow till you get to where the sidewalk ends.

[I hate how hard it is to explain, but I do understand how you can be a bit skeptical. But your semi-negative notions of it are also a very basic lesson of Tantra.]

That all depends on which way round you made the discovery. Whether you 'went with the flow' first and then sought to inform yourself of what you had discovered. Or whether you read about it first and then sought to enlighten yourself.

To do anything, we must first form the idea. The very foundation of thought must be applied to anything we do, even if we believe we are travelling without thought, this very thing is merely a thought in itself.

The mind is there to be used at our leisure. If we want to get pleasure from smoking weed, we can. We can do anything we want.

There is no soul.

I disagree and agree with you. I believe the classical vision of the soul as the basic makeup of a person is in fact instinct and the mind itself.
But to say that there is no basic, beyond instict, sensory perception or connectedness to whatever outside forces there are isn't something I can agree with.

Tantra dictates you find your own way there, never giving examples of how to do so. Don't look for it. It could take years to find an entry point into that, but the point is to not seek it with the processes of thought.
It sort of happens at random. It could take an hour, a minute, a day, a second, or even a year to find it. Don't be greedy.

Hell, many people are naturally able to tap into that the correct way.

And I see your point. But I've also experimented on this. I wrote down any snippet of raw data my brain could process on one of my earliest forays into Tantra, and later on compared it to when I actively sought after it.

Unless you're able to find it yourself, it's hard to explain.
Next time you meditate, skunk, I suggest just listening to the all encompassing noise of the Earth and instead of blocking it out, tap into its energy.
It's in a way the first step to readying your mind for the integration of Tantric processes.