I belive it has something to do with darwinism. Its how we figured out what is poisonous to us and whats good to eat. So infact it makes perfect sense.
My weed article in school's paper
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I belive it has something to do with darwinism. Its how we figured out what is poisonous to us and whats good to eat. So infact it makes perfect sense.
sarah22
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thank you!love the avatar sarah!
tnrtinr
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Exactly - the receptors were there because your body naturally makes endogenous cannabinoids. Those receptors are not in your body because of cannabis - They are there because EVERYONE's bodies make endocannabinoids. Cannabis and Endocannabinoids are completely independent of each other. The fact that cannabis works with your endocannabinoid system is the reason that it has effects on you.
And yes, people did just tried shit way back when. Some out of necessity (hunger), some out of curiosity (just watch a kid), some out of a search for medicine (they didn't have Advil - and chewing on a Coca leaf gets rid of that headache), some just on accident (using cannabis for kindling and getting high off the smoke). If it satisfied their hunger and didn't make them sick they ate it again, if it made them feel good they ate it again. As you know there are certain people that will smoke ANYTHING. On this site alone I have read first-hand-accounts of people that will literally smoke anything that burns. That personality type was surely present in humans 2000 years ago.
Look around outside. None of it makes sense. The only common denominator is that everything in nature is consuming something. All characteristics are for survival.
I don't pretend to have the answers. I surmise it goes back to genetic mutation and evolution.
I know the plant didn't "decide" to grow cannabinoids to please the humans.
You give the system too much credit. Your body has an Opiod Receptor. It's there for endongenous opiods dynorphins, enkephalins, endorphins, endomorphins and nociceptin. It is not there for Opium, Heroin, Morpheine, Codeine - but they bind to those receptors and "trick" them by being similar enough to the endoopiods.
The same thing happens with shrooms and the 5-HT2 receptor. That receptor is for endogenous serotonin. Shrooms "trick" the brain into thinking there is a MASSIVE influx of serotonin. Psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin which has a similar structure as serotonin; a natural neuro-transmitter affecting our mood. The psilocin is then able to bind to serotonin's receptors, exciting nerves as if a massive rush of real serotonin had been released. The floodgates of the senses are open and enormous amounts of information comes in. This fungus didn't "decide" this so we would harvest them.
The same thing happens with cannabis. The body makes cannabinoids - cannabis has its own seperate cannabinoids - THEY ARE NOT THE SAME CANNABINOIDS. Cannabis's canabinoids are close enough to the body's so that it can utilize them.
It is not a elegant; they just happen to be close enough to bind to the receptors and trigger a natural response.
poplars
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well I was aware of all those receptors and the natural substances and such.
and it still sounds elegant to me. I don't know if you just don't like to see it that way or if you can't, but it just fits together so well that I Just can't help but think of it as such.
either way, I'm not disagreeing with you. I happen to see it that way too, but there's another part of me th at likes to fit everything into a big picture, and in that case, it looks very elegant indeed.
tnrtinr
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Really? You are naive.
As a journalist - accuracy should be your ONLY concern.
I NEVER mentioned tobacco.
What I said was. "Cannabis does NOT cause lung cancer. HEAVY joint smokers have a lower lung cancer rate than NON-SMOKERS." Read that again.
HEAVY marijuana smokes have a lower chance of getting lung cancer than people that have never smoked a single cigarette in their lives. That means that if you never have smoked anything in your life you have a better chance of getting lung cancer than me.
Your quote should read (after you look up the source) "Marijuana smoking may put you at a lower risk for cancer than a person that has never inhaled a single cigarette.
Your dad is either flat out lying to you about his students ability (I know my undergraduate professors wouldn't dignify material of your level with a grade - let alone at the graduate level) or he is filling you full of hot air. I honestly thought you were a freshman in an American High School based on your writing / lack of research in your "article."
I would be ashamed to sign my name to that article or write for a paper that would publish that article (in any language).
blazin256
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From research i've done marijuana is the safest and most useful plant known to man. And you dont even explore the other ways you can enjoy the plant like eating it which could cause no harm at all whatsoever. If it is carcinogenic eating it is one way to make sure its not, even though i believe it is far from carcinogenic. It's alot safer fuel then what we use now for sure. I could really go on for hours but you guys know whats up. I think you should research more independent sites and look less at the government sites. If you think they dont have a bias against marijuana then you need some eye opening.
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this probably has nothing to do with this conversation but still a great clip of what i think is really going on.
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this probably has nothing to do with this conversation but still a great clip of what i think is really going on.
highflyby
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No, everything makes sense to me bro. And since you said yourself everything in nature is consuming something, doesent THAT in fact, make sense?
Im just kiddin bro....this vapo got me hiiiiiiiiiiiigh 
tnrtinr
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I respect intelligent people. I would much rather have a dialect with an informed / intelligent person like yourself about natural processes than with a ignorant person like Ritchie. Much respect for you.
In some respects I agree 100% with you. Life is elegant. Look outside. There are plants and animals; all of which have a purpose. I just think that life (although amazingly complex) is not "magical." I don't have all of the answers, not even a sliver of the answers that the world's questions hold. There is so much we don't understand about our world - and there is even more that we cannot even begin to comprehend.
I think what we differ on is how divine / miraculous those purposes are. I view everything as a consumer. Whatever plants / animals in your area is the best at consuming local varieties without being killed by local climate and predators (also consumers). As soon as a better consumer comes along it will overtake the existing population; it may even consume the previous species.
I see this as a very raw imprecise process. It is all chance. There may be a species in Mongolia that is better equipped to live where I live than the native species - but it will never make the migration naturally.
Certain species are valuable to humans and we breed them outside of that natural process. We can take that apple from the Urals and grow it in Washington State where it is better suited. We can breed corn to be more hearty and have increase yield. The best foods become commercial agricultural crops, the prettiest flowers end up in our gardens, the best cows get eaten, dogs are bred for specific tasks. This applies to Cannabis, shrooms, poppies, too. The plants didn't choose to serve us; they just happened to offer us something that we like. Because they serve us we cultivate them which ensures their survival because we want that crop year after year. They don't have a say in it. Like I said before - if they didn't serve us; they would be wildflowers. Just like the numerous species that we don't pay any special attention to.
tnrtinr
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Profound.No, everything makes sense to me bro. And since you said yourself everything in nature is consuming something, doesent THAT in fact, make sense?
There is order in it's disorder. LOL
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I see the OP as a future drug counselor for D.A.R.E.
sarah22
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you're not kidding on that one either. does anyone remember a thread from a long long time ago when some dude put a spider in his bowl and smoked a spider along with his weed? i think it was a black widow spider...and i nearly pissed myself laughing when some guy replied and said something like "how exactly did you come to the conclusion that you would like to smoke a spider?" hahaha man, im laughing just typing it.
and for the record RichiRich...ANY information about pot from ANY government type organization...should be looked at VERY cautiously. if you were to hand me an article about pot and cited government sources i wouldnt read it. because government sources are VERY biased. thats the very last source you should go to for information about drugs...
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blazin256
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hell yes why didnt i think of that
sarah22
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i second erowid as a great source to look into. they post a lot of different articles and links and stuff about different substances. i can spend hours on there reading trip reports
RichiRich
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That article is not academic work, it's a paper for foreign students. Not the stuff I would show to my dad, the ACADEMIC WORK that gets submitted for marking. Don't tell me about not reading correctly - you're just picking out the pettiest bullshit you can possibly find to attack me. Get a shrink and fix the complex, boy.
Sure, I didn't do much research into the subject, but what does that make all of you? Professionals on "research"? Without a PhD I don't think you even know what research is.
Go get stoned dude. The thread was for suggestions, to be put in a civilized and kind manner. All of you "experts" immediatly flamed me - everything you say, no matter how true becomes worthless. I didn't post this for some anonymous stoner to lecture me on how "ignorant" I am and how "horrible" my English is. You don't even know who the fuck I am, so I don't see what makes you so sure about what you're saying.
Stupid peasant.
This thread is over, don't bother answering.
-Rich
dukeofbaja
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blazin256
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when you post inaccuracies about a plant on a website dedicated to the growing and using of it, what the hell do you expect? you write about it and yet you even admit not doing much research on it. and i don't recall anyone saying they were a professional on the subject. but if thats what you want to call someone that has enough passion about something and will take the time to do ACTUAL research and not look at some government website and take every bit of useless garbage they try to sell you, then professional it is. why do you even bother growing, you obviously dont give two shits about this wonderful plant....fuckin poser.
tnrtinr
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tnrtinr
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qft!!!!!!!
RichiRich
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You boys are amazing, aren't you? You insist on behaving like animals. I asked you on more than one occasion to be constructive, but you just keep on flaming.
If you have done the "research" and think you know so much more than me - than correct me in a civilized fashion, not like a bunch of nazi camp guards.
Oh trntr, how mature.. I loved the baby pic - it's the icing on the irony.
Like I said, you all keep on rambling about "research" like you actually know what the fuck it is.
To answer your question, I bother growing so I can make money off suckers like you.
Poser? Yes, maybe. At least I'm not a prick.
-Rich
If you have done the "research" and think you know so much more than me - than correct me in a civilized fashion, not like a bunch of nazi camp guards.
Oh trntr, how mature.. I loved the baby pic - it's the icing on the irony.
I expected constructive criticism not half arsed remarks from a bunch of e-peasants.
Like I said, you all keep on rambling about "research" like you actually know what the fuck it is.
To answer your question, I bother growing so I can make money off suckers like you.
Poser? Yes, maybe. At least I'm not a prick.
-Rich