My plants sick...duhhh its the PH

Holy crap guys, seems like theres a pretty common answer going around these days in plant problems. The answer im talking about is, "Well your ph is off". Im starting to realize that that means you have no idea what your talking about. Nutrient lock out from an improper ph on a plant less than a foot tall to me sounds pretty rediculous. Theres usually a really easy answer to the problem you just have to find it by asking questions. A couple times since ive joined i have seen threads started and the first post is the problem with no info on the plant, and the second post is some jabroni saying....duhhhh, it s ph. AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHH !!!!! No its not! Provided your water is close to the proper ph theres alot of growers out there that never ph adjust the water that goes in our plants, but we know that things go wrong all the time when your brand new to this. Most of the time its grower error thats causing the problem. You just have to be able to find where they made it. If you dont know, dont help is what im trying to say. Im not sayin that theres no plants out there that are suffering from ph being off but wow, this ph off comment is turning into a calling card for i have no idea what im talking about, but it sounds like i know what im talkin about right?

you are wrong. go ahead throw some new clones into hydro with high ph around 6.5 or higher those plants are likely to just turn yellow and never make roots, and just dye, ph is very important, it will lock the plant up and no matter how hard you push the fertilizer its useless. because yes the plant does lock up. on the other hand I have seen people say ph is incorrect a lot on here and not knowing what the hell they are talking about

Alienwidow said:

Holy crap guys, seems like theres a pretty common answer going around these days in plant problems. The answer im talking about is, "Well your ph is off". Im starting to realize that that means you have no idea what your talking about. Nutrient lock out from an improper ph on a plant less than a foot tall to me sounds pretty rediculous. Theres usually a really easy answer to the problem you just have to find it by asking questions. A couple times since ive joined i have seen threads started and the first post is the problem with no info on the plant, and the second post is some jabroni saying....duhhhh, it s ph. AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHH !!!!! No its not! Provided your water is close to the proper ph theres alot of growers out there that never ph adjust the water that goes in our plants, but we know that things go wrong all the time when your brand new to this. Most of the time its grower error thats causing the problem. You just have to be able to find where they made it. If you dont know, dont help is what im trying to say. Im not sayin that theres no plants out there that are suffering from ph being off but wow, this ph off comment is turning into a calling card for i have no idea what im talking about, but it sounds like i know what im talkin about right?

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pH is everything, a lot of growers out there that grow weed that doesn't get me high

ph is a hydro thing imo

I think I'm experiencing lockout cause its showing multiple deficiencies (I assume thats the symptom). Checked the PH and it was 7+.

Flushed it this morning and hoping for improvement

Lemon king said:

ph is a hydro thing imo

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It's important in soil as well. On my first ever grow I had all kinds of issues because I didn't adjust my ph after I mixed nutes.

Yeah I'm only on my second grow and my first one was less than stellar but I've known many people growing plants in soil over the years and I don't think any of them tested the PH of their soil. Grow sites are full of cunt bag know it alls that think because they've successfully grown a couple plants or mushrooms that the way they did it is the only way it can possibly be done without realizing they were jumping unnecessary hurdles themselves.

PS: GAWD damn this lightning is cray

Wrong pH is not uncommon at all...in fact I would say its most common next to overwatering and over feed

I think the op hit the nail on the head.. so long as your not a hydro grower, proper pH is much less of an issue that most people like to think..
Soil is an amazing buffer against pH, and so long as you're not running a pH of say 5 or lower, your plants are fine..
If your water is safe to drink, it's fine for your plants..
Talk to some experienced growers on this site, like fdd2blk and UB, and both will tell you they don't even own a pH meter.. a lot of people cause.more problems then they're fixing by constantly raising and lowering their pH, chasing their tales as it were.. imvho, this is when true issues arise..
Just my $.02, hydro is another issue as there's no buffer between the roots and the water / nutrient mix..

Actually I have to beg to differ. If you have started with a good ph balanced soil/ potting mix, preferably with some lime, then I agree, BUT there are some composts out there that are FAR too acidic. I had this few month period when I just started growing and every thing I planted, sprouted up, got to a few nodes high and went all weird looking ,and died. This one plant, ice cream by paradise soldiered on as best it could, but was ravaged with deficiencies, then it stalled and went all weird looking and died. Finally, I explored the idea that the was something wrong with the soil, read about ph lockouts, bought a ph meter, and measured run off at 3ph. So, yeah, ph can be a problem with the wrong soil

Its all relevant, if you have good water @ 6.9 -7.4. You add nutes n your all good in soil. You may rip out 20 great harvests n never check Ph..
But if your water is 8.8-9.0 like mine you need Ph down...after a month you could have bad looking crop

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Actually I have to beg to differ. If you have started with a good ph balanced soil/ potting mix, preferably with some lime, then I agree, BUT there are some composts out there that are FAR too acidic. I had this few month period when I just started growing and every thing I planted, sprouted up, got to a few nodes high and went all weird looking ,and died. This one plant, ice cream by paradise soldiered on as best it could, but was ravaged with deficiencies, then it stalled and went all weird looking and died. Finally, I explored the idea that the was something wrong with the soil, read about ph lockouts, bought a ph meter, and measured run off at 3ph. So, yeah, ph can be a problem with the wrong soil

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Im with ya 100%, i dont own a meter either. I just use quality nutes that ph at 6 and rockn roll. Even in hydro. Dnt like chasin tail unless its sportin a rack.

Corso312 said:

Its all relevant, if you have good water @ 6.9 -7.4. You add nutes n your all good in soil. You may rip out 20 great harvests n never check Ph..
But if your water is 8.8-9.0 like mine you need Ph down...after a month you could have bad looking crop

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Im just talkin on the norm. Theres water out there thats all sortsa sideways. But 95% of peoples is fine imo.

Alienwidow said:

Im with ya 100%, i dont own a meter either. I just use quality nutes that ph at 6 and rockn roll. Even in hydro. Dnt like chasin tail unless its sportin a rack.

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at one point you check the pH and if your nuts were not around 6 you would be correcting it???

Nah, i lettem drift up to sevenish. No issues with deficiencies ever. Nice stable nutrients help alot. I dont play chase the ph. And after so many times of checking it i know what it is before i check so why bother. Some dont agree, some do but ive seen dwc grows running totally insane ph that hold out just fine because of good cleaning and res changes. Those nutrient charts baffle me because they claim that the plants cant absorb any nutrients after a certain ph is reached. Does that mean theres no grey area? Or is that just the peak absorbtion zone? Because if thats true and if all the people who hear ph 6 and start claiming mag lockout because ph is off, then the grows ive seen with high ph should never have made it to bud. Mag def would lead to P lockout or how ever the story goes and the plant would die. I also think the term lockout is another one of those, i heard a phrase and now im repeating it to sound smart kinda phrases. Its been abused. Oh and correct me if im wrong but dont those ph up and down pacs come with a chart to show you right where the nutrients will be LOCKED OUT! Leading you to believe that you need to be within like .3 of a ph point or you should be adding more of their product to be safe and filling their pockets with money and your res with blue juice that costs them nill to make?

kinddiesel said:

you are wrong. go ahead throw some new clones into hydro with high ph around 6.5 or higher those plants are likely to just turn yellow and never make roots, and just dye, ph is very important, it will lock the plant up and no matter how hard you push the fertilizer its useless. because yes the plant does lock up. on the other hand I have seen people say ph is incorrect a lot on here and not knowing what the hell they are talking about

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100% wrong, totally wrong. You must buy the gallon jugs of orange and blue juice. Just wondering how much money youve wasted?

edit-ive seen many clones in hydro at between 7-8 starting ph. They did just fine, amazing actually, yes they make roots, and yes they grow great. For you to deny that is laughable. Ive never seen yellowing in dwc, ever.....cept for some mite bites.

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100% wrong, totally wrong. You must buy the gallon jugs of orange and blue juice. Just wondering how much money youve wasted?

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i actually save money having proper pH and never having to supplement with GH lucas formula

and the same goes for soil

hexthat said:

i actually save money having proper pH and never having to supplement with GH lucas formula

and the same goes for soil

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Hex, that reply was to KD and your statement is pretty non specific, care to elaborate a little?

which part would you like me to specify?

have pH off makes people think they need to add stuff like Ca Mg K but really if the pH was correct the symptoms would have never appeared
and adding the Ca Mg K may fix the problem but it was an unnecessary fix in the first place

everyone should pH unless everyone is using amazing ph buffing soil and nutrients that are not too far acidic or alkaline

Yes hex, pH is important, this is not debatable imo, that's not sayin u can't harvest if u don't check pH tho