my outdoor grow in india (12 latitude)

enclosure of 100cm x 100cmx 150-180 cm (l x w x h) per 400w light
read up on what SOG is pretty straightforward, yes fast yields are easiest through sog
the number of plants depends on the strain and the amount of time you
can dedicate to tending to your plants. if you're growing 30 plants in a square metre
SOG or sea of green is basically a large no. of small plants instead of a small
number of large plants or anything in the middle.
Whether or not you can SOG depends on the time you can dedicate. for a sog
style you need about 25 plants per square metre minimum. and you will
need to learn how to trim and prune.
If as you said you want to maximize efficiency with your light (i.e. get a large
mass of weed per unit of electricity spent) then it will require some time (maybe
a little under an hour max) on your part, spent effectively trimming, pruning and
watering/fertilizing your plants. You will get a hang of pruning your plants soon enough.

If you are not concerned about efficiency, then you can always grow as many plants
as you want to under a 400w HPS but the amount of space used remains the same
and your final output per unit of electricity used will not be as high. This literally
only requires you to water the plants a few times a week, sometimes with fertilizer.

if you want to buy go ahead, if you want to make it go ahead. remember you're in india
and labour here to build a grow 'tent' out of a wooden frame will be a lot cheaper than paying
for the cost of a grow tent and shipping, my .02 worth.

elchupacabra said:

i have grown for a friend in mumbai once, right about at this time of year, and let me tell you that it is not an easy task, indoor and outdoor. controlling humidity in a small indoor area is fairly easy with 500 rs worth of silica packets. the outdoor is the problem. if you're growing in a balcony, once they cross the seedling stage they NEED an oscillating fan to be there circulating air around or they won't get halfway to budding before rotting. and if you're low on outdoor light, i would strongly advise you to purchase regular seeds of the strain KC 45 by KC Brains seeds. it's about 35 pounds inclusive of shipping to india for ten regular. even with insufficient light, these get big. they're poor performers indoors, but outdoors, wow. they are resistant sons of bitches too. and they're autoflowering, but really grow like they're not. also, once your plants as tall as the diameter of their final pot, you will want to cover the pot with a 1" layer of either construction sand (110RS for 40kgs in bbay) or perlite. sand is heavy but perlite is heavy on the wallet. this sand prevents any soil breeding larvae, from fungus gnats or otherwise. when your plant has crossed 2 weeks of age, spray it with neem oil solution 2 times a week until it starts getting noticeable buds. mites are best prevented, not cured. the best cure is to reset. the effort in a climate like the mumbai one is not a forgiving one, and certainly not when it comes to unhealthy plants.

as for me, i've got a bit of everything going, looking for a good mommy. why?

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My bad.. didn't have internet for a bit, then forgot to come on here.
I didn't get bud rot before, so don't think I'll have that problem this time around.. unless I use imported hybrids or indica's. Appreciate the pointers, tho. There's obv no guarantee that it won't happen. I'll take a look at that KC 45 strain as well, thanks. I got neem cake, but that stuff seemingly ain't got shit on neem oil. I might hunt for some, but I recently sprayed my plants, plus the whole grow space with a dish soap/chilly powder mix, few times a week, and it's surprisingly done a good job against the mites, this time. My one plant has grown a decent amount, now at around 4 1/2 ft. The other 2 are pretty meh.. but still alive n growing, somehow. Ima go get coco, pots n stuff tomorrow to transplant this one, and also plant a bunch more seeds.
A pic of the only one worth posting.. not great, but not bad either.

I had gone to hoskote again but very little luck this time. Where should I look for getting the 60g scores? I asked several auto drivers and nothing then a couple school aged kids and still nothing. Then one guy even ran with my 500. Then I came across some stuff that was 300 for two packets. The was a little brown as well so idk. Would you maybe point me in a direction? I really wanted a 100g score for 2k...

i'm sorry mate, i really can't help you any more than I already have. We all found the scores ourselves with some amount of trial and error, and i'm sure you will find one in good time too!

my grow has finally properly kicked off. I can tell that this new batch of 10 seedlings is healthy and doing well, growing at least 1-2cm daily and it's been about 2 days since they broke ground.
also have a new location where i can flower the plants outdoors. this is what i've wanted since bangalore. space to veg them inside and flower them in the excessive sunlight outdoors. this gives me the opportunity to grow the beautiful strains like Colombian Gold x Jamaican Landrace and Xocolope (Jalisco Landrace x Chocolope).
All of these strains and the ones that follow are from Sannie's Shop. I go with Sannie because his seeds are A grade in quality. They're not for everyone as they focus a lot more on quality than quantity, but some strains have ridiculous quantity potential. Each strain requires very different treatment from one another though. Any questions about the strains let me know i'll do my best to answer them over the course of the next 2-3 months.

Planted and sprouted:

5 x chucky's bride (7 weeks flower)
5 x chemystery (chemdawg x mystery strain)
2 x killing fields fem (known to color regardless of temps)
3 x xocolope (to be placed out for flowering)

also to be sowed in a week or two:

5 x col/jam (to be placed out for flowering)
5 x Xocolope (to be placed outside for flowering)
3 x Killing Fields Fem (perhaps to find a mom)
5 x Chucky's Bride (to find a good mom)

so now we get into gear. new thread soon.

Hell yeah! My ideal set up! Enough space indoors for veging, cloning n stuff.. and a yard or terrace with proper sunlight for flowering. I'm digging all 4 strains you got going. Interested to see how that Chemystery turns out, cause of the unknown cross. Chucky's Bride also sounds like a real nice mix.
Hey Chupacabra man.. whats the average soil mix you using for these foreign hybrids you been growing? What were some of the biggest obstacles you've encountered in nute deficiency n stuff?

chemystery so far is the most vigorous of the lot...4 days since germination and relatively large and broad leaves (for its age) and outgrowing the rest (not stretching). so now all my seeds have been sowed germed or sprouted apart from 6 col/jams. I would like to grow them out during the summer outdoors so they have time to veg and become fucking massive.

In the meantime, I need about 15-20 more seeds, but i'm not really keen on spending more than 3.5k, which is a tight budget for good seeds.
strains i've been considering are

1) Attitude

Mr. Nice - SHIT

2) Attitude

KC Brains - Mango & Leda Uno

3) Attitude

KC Brains - Mango
Bomb Seeds - Hash bomb

4) Sannie's Shop

Durban Chitral

main prtoblems for me:

chemical - go easy on the N

soil - watch out for fungus gnats

aw dude.. some of those strains got me drooling over here... I got some cash to spend right now, but I'm afraid if I go for imported beans, that I'll fuck em up! Good thing is, just now I'm managing to control the mites and the new growth is starting to thrive. They are an Indian strain, tho.. so they're strong and can handle the climate n stuff in general. Do you full on regulate the PH?
I just found few pistils on my one good plant! Transfered her into a big ass bag w/some good shit, so hopefully she'll grow another cpl feet(L X W) by the time she's done flowering!
Also, transplanted the kid last week. Looking good so far.

I looked up that KC45 and it sounds like a good one, bro! I'm also lookin at ACE seeds Zamaldelica. A strain from Reunion Island crossed with Malawi/Thai. Sounds like a strong trippy Sativa w/great resistance to bug's, mold n stuff. ACE got several interesting strains(Bangi Haze, etc..) I'm looking at right now.

Hi All, I've read this thread through from page one, its inspiring and informative at the same time. Thanks for starting this thread elchupacabra and to everyone who are willing to share their knowledge and experience. Here are a couple of pictures of 2 Aurora Indicas from Nirvana, one is 1 month old and the other is 24 days old (from seedling). Hope everything goes well, topped both the plants and can any one suggest me how to keep a plant short without LST? I cant use strings and stuff pulling a plant down.. it just gets someones attention.

topping/supercropping will keep your plant short. read up about it it's straightforward.

those do look like they're rather small for their age. your soil mix (if organic) may be too potent, i've genrally found that to be a major growth limiter in organics without showing any symptoms of deficiency or toxicity. plants grown in overly strong organic mixes are perfectly healthy. just small.
as mentioned numerous times, foreign strains are hard to grow outdoors in india. good luck.

Hey man I'm pretty much set on going for some imported beans. Latest strain I got my eye on is Hollands Hope. Sounds like a good heavy Indica that's pest and mold resistant. Decided to go Indica cause it'll finish faster and I wanna try cross it with my current Sativa. My friend got these seeds(my sativa) from a farm in the south where the guy is supposedly growing some dank. He said it was some of the best buds he's smoked, and the farmer told him they Hybrids w/foreign type potency. Now, I don't believe everything said.. but I do know my friend don't make up random shit about this kind of stuff.. I believe him when he says the weed was dank, even though I know the Mumbai standards.. he wouldn't have kept the seeds otherwise. My plant has only just now started showing pre flowers.. Hopefully I can still cross her and come away with a mean new hybrid w/a shorter flowering period. What you think about this Hollands Hope, man? Any other suggestions?

sure…hybrid…the fact that it had enough seeds in it to save tells a lot : ) pictures speak more truth than words, so i'll reserve my skeptical judgement for when i see it

second, don't get into crossing so soon…you're going to overwhelm yourself, trust me…it's not as simple as getting holland's hope getting a male and bam you have a short flowering indian, it doesn't work like that…at all…you will find out yourself...

if you do want to create a cross between whatever strain it is you get and an indian, you have to grow out about 40-50 indian seeds (at least) to find a good indian male or female, and do the same with holland's hope, and then cross the two. now you'll only know which is the best male/female combo till you grow them out and flower them, so you will have to keep cuttings of each individual plant you're growing and then once you find the best combo, you flower out their cuttings. this offspring (F1) will be a freakshow - small plants tall plants fast flowering short flowering…you will have to grow out at least 100 seeds to find out a rough idea of which phenotype has the qualities you're looking for. Then you need to backcross the pheno with the original father or mother and continue doing this till you have a relatively homologous batch with minimal phenotypical variation.

why can't you do it with less seeds? your end result will be unpredictable. instead of having that perfect short flowering holland hope indian cross, you will wind up with some stretchy some short some dense some airy and it will make your life harder.

haha true dat bro.. getting schooled right now! I thought and researched pretty little on this topic, so far. I know you gotta go through the process of selecting the Pheno's, back crossing correctly, etc.. Things I was planning on learning on the fly. For my current situation, tho.. I'm not really going for that "best possible" cross/outcome ATM. Just figured, since I already have this one plant doing well for me, and me being ready to go for some foreign strains, again.. why not mix em and see what happens? Figured at the least, something danker than my Sativa will come from it, no? While in the process, I'll have plenty time to learn about back crossing, inbreeding and stabilizing the variety, etc.. But Ima do what I can with what I have, na mean? Not tryna go too all out, esp considering the limited space I have for growing ATM. I'd be satisfied with maintaining 3-4 Hollands Hope(or w/e I choose) and 3-4 of my new hybrid, while experimenting in between, until I move to hopefully a bigger place w/a yard. Def appreciate you throwing me that knowledge, tho! and any other advise for that matter...

Oh and thanks for recommending KCbrains. I've found some more interesting ones like the 33, etc.. which I've put on my list. I'm looking at B.O.G as well, but for this time.. it's proly gonna come down to the Hollands Hope or KC brains, cause of the price.

not sure what BOG stands for, from KC brains i recommend the strain leda uno or kc 45 if you're interested in autos. i would not advise hollands hope tbh, but then again, i wouldn't advise a lot of the strains which i've grown and turned out to be absolute winners, against my initial prediction, so go for whatever you feel like.
sorry, but it still doesn't make sense to cross your indian sativa with hollands hope unless you're doing it to learn how to spread pollen on buds and find out how long the seeds take to mature. the cross of 1 out of 4-5 hollands hope and 1 out of 1 (!!!) indian sativa will give you x viable seeds (could be either 0 or a couple hundred depending on variables). now if you only have space to grow a few plants, you have a hundred odd seeds made from two parents, one of whose lineage you don't know, and one of whose lineage you know but have never compared the output of a couple seeds, let's say you grow five seeds. lets say you get 1 plant fully indian, 1 plant fully hollands hope, 1 plant in between (bad phenotype), 1 plant above that (average), and 1 plant that has the things you want (unlikely out of just 5 seeds, but certainly possible). then you have just taken the effort to grow and cross for (maybe) 2 plants. also, this is more likely to happen if you germinate 50 seeds, not 5. which makes it 2/50. let's make it as much as 5/50 for conversations sake. that means, you might as well buy another packet rather than waste time and effor growing more seeds, ddo you understand?

Gotcha bro, but lets see.. I can only really afford 1 pack ATM and this will be my 1st time trying foreign hybrids in India. Think I might just go for pollinating cause my only other option is bag seed from some shit.

Not sure If I can post this, but this that BOG gear I mentioned..
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=275091
Would be a tough choice between Lifesaver, BMR, Bogglegum, Sour Strawberry, Sweet Cindy, if I ever go with these guys.

Damn bro.. might have to put that Leda Uno over the KC33. And shit! Just realised I can get 3 packs from KCB, for the price of 1 Hollands Hope! KC Brains it is!!

heard good things about leda uno and danky doodle

I just started my first outdoor grow here. These are my strains:
(1) Barney's LSD
(2) Sugar Mango Ryder (Autoflower).
These are spare seeds I had from a previous failed grow (I ordered 4 seeds. 3 failed because I tried growing these in the hard red soil I got the autoflower for free. I am using fem since I thought it'd be easy for a beginner)

For soil, I am using a mix of (1) Sand (2) Red soil (3) Coco coir (4) Poo and (5) Bio-farm. The soil is all nice and loamy.
I just put both my seeds for germ (in paper towels).

I am growing these outdoors in pots. I have a quick question - is this the right season to plant these outdoors? What do I have to do to induce flowering later?

Thanks in advance.

ternelhat said:

I just started my first outdoor grow here. These are my strains:
(1) Barney's LSD
(2) Sugar Mango Ryder (Autoflower).
These are spare seeds I had from a previous failed grow (I ordered 4 seeds. 3 failed because I tried growing these in the hard red soil I got the autoflower for free. I am using fem since I thought it'd be easy for a beginner)

For soil, I am using a mix of (1) Sand (2) Red soil (3) Coco coir (4) Poo and (5) Bio-farm. The soil is all nice and loamy.
I just put both my seeds for germ (in paper towels).

I am growing these outdoors in pots. I have a quick question - is this the right season to plant these outdoors? What do I have to do to induce flowering later?

Thanks in advance.

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Fortunately for you, while this is the wrong time to plant landraces, if you're in bangalore and growing outdoors, then purchased seeds can be planted any time - you may want heat resistant strains for the summer though.

er, what kind of poo are you using? is it composted or fresh? saturated with water (fresh from the butt) or dried? what you want is ideally composted cow manure, or at least dried cow manure. any manure from herbivorous animals is fine. I would use a 10:10:10:3 mixture of sand, red soil coco peat, and biofarm. mix em good. do not add much water, you wont need to add ANY unless your red soil is dry to the bone - the coco has a lotta moisture. If you have the patience, what i did was break down all the big clods of red soil once they'd dried up so i had about 20 kilos of red powder, and then i sieved it like they do with the sand to get rid of the big clumps. as i was growing in a raised bed outdoors, and not in a pot, this was a must for me during the rainy season…bigger rocks make it much easier for the clay to clump and harden into larger chunks...

if your manure is uncomposted, mix it and let it sit with your soil mix outdoors in a black container for 45-60 days. fresh manure is asking for trouble.

to induce flowering later, you should either start them indoors and veg them for however long you want to, or you should keep a light of about hundred watts (HID only) for every 6 square feet (~2.5 x 2.5) and set it with a timer to have it turn on a little before the sun sets and turn off such that the plant receives a total of at least 16 hours of light (sun + light) to keep it in veg. some strains could need more or less. not sure about lsd. you cannot delay flowering in your auto, i'm sure you know that.
i'd advise not vegging. plants grow fine 12/12 from seed. they are a bit smaller and easier to manage and usually don't start flowering until they have enough foliage on them anyways.

elchupacabra said:

er, what kind of poo are you using? is it composted or fresh? saturated with water (fresh from the butt) or dried? what you want is ideally composted cow manure, or at least dried cow manure. any manure from herbivorous animals is fine. I would use a 10:10:10:3 mixture of sand, red soil coco peat, and biofarm. mix em good. do not add much water, you wont need to add ANY unless your red soil is dry to the bone - the coco has a lotta moisture. If you have the patience, what i did was break down all the big clods of red soil once they'd dried up so i had about 20 kilos of red powder, and then i sieved it like they do with the sand to get rid of the big clumps. as i was growing in a raised bed outdoors, and not in a pot, this was a must for me during the rainy season…bigger rocks make it much easier for the clay to clump and harden into larger chunks...

if your manure is uncomposted, mix it and let it sit with your soil mix outdoors in a black container for 45-60 days. fresh manure is asking for trouble. .

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I got the soil from a nursery near ulsoor lake, so I don't know whether the poop is fresh or dried. I am not sure of the ratios either. However, I have had other regular plants going in this media. I really don't know whether this will work, but I feel this should be okay (I will need to add nutes later though, and monitor ph)

elchupacabra said:

to induce flowering later, you should either start them indoors and veg them for however long you want to, or you should keep a light of about hundred watts (HID only) for every 6 square feet (~2.5 x 2.5) and set it with a timer to have it turn on a little before the sun sets and turn off such that the plant receives a total of at least 16 hours of light (sun + light) to keep it in veg. some strains could need more or less. not sure about lsd. you cannot delay flowering in your auto, i'm sure you know that.
i'd advise not vegging. plants grow fine 12/12 from seed. they are a bit smaller and easier to manage and usually don't start flowering until they have enough foliage on them anyways.

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I was planning to do 12:12 from seed anyway (germ indoor for a few days, wait till the seedling has the first 2 sets of leaves, then take it out). I want to wait before taking it out because in my experience, young seedlings get attacked by pigeons
That being said, thanks for the help. Hopefully I will have a non-fail grow this time. (And yes, I am in the IT city )

One last question - my regular smoke is mysore mango. However, what I get has tons of seeds. I want to grow these things, but I don't know if it is possible to grow these in pots. Any suggestions if it is even possible, and how big a pot I will need?