Won't make any difference. Once the microherd is deprived of oxygen through aeration (the brew) that developed it, it needs to be used with ~six hours. Regeneration is possible but the brew will require new components to replace those microbes that cease to exist rather than hibernate. Fresh works.
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Won't make any difference. Once the microherd is deprived of oxygen through aeration (the brew) that developed it, it needs to be used with ~six hours. Regeneration is possible but the brew will require new components to replace those microbes that cease to exist rather than hibernate. Fresh works.
Mother's Finest
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Good soil that was mixed with the organics we make the tea out of should be well colonized with the little buggers by the time the ferts start to run out and tea is needed. It'll of course depend on how you take care of your soil. Good tea will then have all of the nutrients that the minibugs were feasting on in the original ferts and when you feed the plants, you're feeding them as well.
aeviaanah
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I mixed the following, roughly...
3 parts peat moss
1.5 parts fox farm ocean forest
1 part perlite
1 part earth worm castings
10 tbsp of age old grow powder
4 oz geohumus
I wet this mix down with dechlorinated water with a bit of FF big bloom. This mix should be a bit hot for seedlings but this is for a well rooted late veg plant. I have dolomite lime coming in the mail. Ill add some before transplant.
3 parts peat moss
1.5 parts fox farm ocean forest
1 part perlite
1 part earth worm castings
10 tbsp of age old grow powder
4 oz geohumus
I wet this mix down with dechlorinated water with a bit of FF big bloom. This mix should be a bit hot for seedlings but this is for a well rooted late veg plant. I have dolomite lime coming in the mail. Ill add some before transplant.
Properly aerated AACT brews (75-79°, 18-24hrs) supply little to no nutrient value. The purpose of AACT drench applications is microbe supplementation of a living soil while foliar applications supplement microbe colonies on plant exterior surfaces. Soil microbes decompose grow medium components and deliver nutrients as plants require them.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Foliar of microbes is also known as a bio-flim. I do that to keep pm away, and it has worked with great success.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I'm not in favor of using dehue water for feeding plants. I'm not sure why, other than I tasted it and it had a funny texture and flavor.
Anyone else have an opinion on using water from the dehue?
I'm hearing great success stories of growers adding one tablespoon of neem meal per gallon of grow medium to prevent powdery mildew. I've successfully used diluted neem oil spray for that purpose but plan to implement the neem meal inoculation in my next grow.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
That is really interesting. You are talking about adding neem to the media, then it is taken up systemically, right? This would prevent pm from the inside out... and other molds too I would think.
I've added neem to my soil once. Horror story: there is a crack in my garage floor, it goes deep. I didn't think much of if until I had 10,000 termites come up from that crack in mid-cycle. What a mess, the shop vac handled most of it, but I wanted to make sure they weren't using my pots to reproduce. So I watered in a little neem, no sign of termites, and I've cemented the crack closed
post edit: does 1 tbs per gallon seem like a lot of neem? I usually feed 15 to 20 gallons, and that would be almost a whole small bottle.
Neem meal seems like a great (inexpensive) way to accomplish the same thing.
Exactly. Inoculation rather than treatment after the fact.
I've added neem to my soil once. Horror story: there is a crack in my garage floor, it goes deep. I didn't think much of if until I had 10,000 termites come up from that crack in mid-cycle. What a mess, the shop vac handled most of it, but I wanted to make sure they weren't using my pots to reproduce. So I watered in a little neem, no sign of termites, and I've cemented the crack closed
post edit: does 1 tbs per gallon seem like a lot of neem? I usually feed 15 to 20 gallons, and that would be almost a whole small bottle.
Neem meal seems like a great (inexpensive) way to accomplish the same thing.
Mother's Finest
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This is irrelevant to the post you quoted. I wasn't discussing active aeration and so your reply is off topic from the post you quoted. If you'd like help understanding the topics being discussed, feel free to PM me and I'd be happy to explain it for you.
That's amusing as tea recipes offered by the OP and other posters in the thread mention active aeration. If you follow hard science based sources of agricultural compost and vermiculture tea brewing then you know rate of aeration, air dispersant methodology and brew temperature are as critical as the recipe itself. I was off-topic with the neem meal inoculation and offer my apology for doing so.
TheRuiner
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The well water smells very phosphoric, that's bad for organics huu? It's about a 4.7, where did you learn that?
http://www.london.ca/d.aspx?s=/Sewer_and_Wastewater/Phosphorus.htm
skimming over the link above I found evidence that phosphorus might be good for plant growth?
I was only really concerned about using it right up until the very end because I just can't imagine smoking something that kind of stinky, yuck, this well water smell gross. I wonder if it even has a difference in the end taste, i almost don't even want to know what it would contribute to the final dried flowers taste...
questions for yall !!!
1: how long can i store tea's for ??
2: can i make a big batch of tea 100L and store it for a week sitting still or do i have to airate it throughout the week ?
3: what does fungi and organisms of worm cast thrive on in the "tea", like molasses and manure ?
^^^^^^ cheers guys
peace
1: how long can i store tea's for ??
2: can i make a big batch of tea 100L and store it for a week sitting still or do i have to airate it throughout the week ?
3: what does fungi and organisms of worm cast thrive on in the "tea", like molasses and manure ?
^^^^^^ cheers guys
peace
thephilospher
Member
mmk theres my veg and bloom aact
some compost
1/2 cup guano (depends on veg or bloom)
earthworm castings
a bit of ground up eggshells(dry)
mollases unsulphered kind
kelp
all in a 5 gallon bucket brewed 24 hrs then diluted 1/2 aact 1/2 water
btw idk if you wanted the soil but i thought id put it too (ooop edit forgot something)
1 part sphagnom peat moss
1 part vermiculite
1 part sand
1 part rich rich compost
and a bit of worm castings
and dolomite lime for ph correctedness goodiness
some compost
1/2 cup guano (depends on veg or bloom)
earthworm castings
a bit of ground up eggshells(dry)
mollases unsulphered kind
kelp
all in a 5 gallon bucket brewed 24 hrs then diluted 1/2 aact 1/2 water
btw idk if you wanted the soil but i thought id put it too (ooop edit forgot something)
1 part sphagnom peat moss
1 part vermiculite
1 part sand
1 part rich rich compost
and a bit of worm castings
and dolomite lime for ph correctedness goodiness
elduece
Active Member
I'm surprised no one has offered how to add fungi to their AACTs.
Bacteria outnumber fungi 15:1 in compost surfaces and the fungi population are easily overwhelmed by bacteria due to bacteria's reproductive nature in a aerated environment so it's basically impossible to have a fungi population coexist with bacteria during aeration.
2-4 days before making any 4 gallon AACT, I've used one gallon fungi steeps that consist of 2 tbl of azomite, coarse rock phospate for traces and surfaces for fungi to cling to 1 oz of powdered baby food oatmeal .5 ounce each of seaweed extract and low sodium soy sauce for fungi food with a half to one cup of compost steeped in a gallon of dechlorinated water in a nice warm room or over a heat mat. Should come out smelling pretty funky with heavy myce and the solids kinda gooey but it's safe to strain and mix into the AACT. Unplug the air pump, light stir to loosen the fungi free and strain the solids from the steep before mixing into AACT mix -very important! Anything anaerobic from the steep will die off eventually should the AACT been properly made -earthy smell etc. I drench with AACTs twice once after stretch and midway into flowering along with super soil top dressing.
Bacteria outnumber fungi 15:1 in compost surfaces and the fungi population are easily overwhelmed by bacteria due to bacteria's reproductive nature in a aerated environment so it's basically impossible to have a fungi population coexist with bacteria during aeration.
2-4 days before making any 4 gallon AACT, I've used one gallon fungi steeps that consist of 2 tbl of azomite, coarse rock phospate for traces and surfaces for fungi to cling to 1 oz of powdered baby food oatmeal .5 ounce each of seaweed extract and low sodium soy sauce for fungi food with a half to one cup of compost steeped in a gallon of dechlorinated water in a nice warm room or over a heat mat. Should come out smelling pretty funky with heavy myce and the solids kinda gooey but it's safe to strain and mix into the AACT. Unplug the air pump, light stir to loosen the fungi free and strain the solids from the steep before mixing into AACT mix -very important! Anything anaerobic from the steep will die off eventually should the AACT been properly made -earthy smell etc. I drench with AACTs twice once after stretch and midway into flowering along with super soil top dressing.
Six hours after aeration ends microbes begin to die off from a lack of oxygen.
I suggest researching AACT brewing. Dependent on the ingredients some teas can be rejuvenated (with a new food source) but without oxygen (aeration) most turn anaerobic. Commercial 'teas' sold by vendors to the cannabis growing public are bottled using acid preservatives and microscopic testing has shown they're very deficient in microbes. Rejuvenating them is the same process as a new tea, so go figure.
You're going to end up with more bacteria than anything else using just manure and molasses. You want bacteria, protozoa, nematodes, fungi and a few others. Use Google to search for vegetation and flowering AACT brews. If your grow medium is an organic, living soil you only need two, vegetation and flowering. Remember that teas provide microbes, not nutrients.
Right back at you. Good questions. Remember the brewer (pump, air disperser, heater) and brew temperature/time are as important as the ingredient recipes.
BagSeedBoy
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Awsome read people. Thanx! I'ma stay tuned and chime in with a ? or 2 when my time comes. Gonna make a soil mix & brew a few teas as well, just havent got all my ingredients yet. Got LCs basic mix cooking right now (Promix,WormCasts,Kelp,DoloLime). Got Hi P & N guanos so far but, I'm looking to get some SeaBird & GreenSand. Any thoughts on the GreenSand? ( heard it takes "forever" to break down). Any advice is appreciated.....Peace BsB
[EDIT] I guess now is my time 2 ask ?s
[EDIT] I guess now is my time 2 ask ?s
BagSeedBoy
Well-Known Member
Word Up Viagro! Didnt think about the iron, I was focused on the K/Potassium.
Gonna add the guanos & green sand to the soil & give em some tea. Not sure on the ingrediants of the tea yet. The post by Elduece about Fungi & Bacteria is somthing I'm goona study up on. Maybe a simple Molas +kelp+Mycorr ? (not sure) once every 7-10 days until I see some def. with a Phospherous sugar blast in 4th/5th week flower. Any thoughts on a tea for my soil mix??? Sorry this is what I should have asked in my first post. I read all the posts yesterday but dont remember some not sure if my ? has already been answered, so Ima read up again.
.........BsB.
, I was focused on the K/Potassium.Gonna add the guanos & green sand to the soil & give em some tea. Not sure on the ingrediants of the tea yet. The post by Elduece about Fungi & Bacteria is somthing I'm goona study up on. Maybe a simple Molas +kelp+Mycorr ? (not sure) once every 7-10 days until I see some def. with a Phospherous sugar blast in 4th/5th week flower. Any thoughts on a tea for my soil mix??? Sorry this is what I should have asked in my first post. I read all the posts yesterday but dont remember some not sure if my ? has already been answered, so Ima read up again.
.........BsB.
Viagro
Well-Known Member
Word Up Viagro! Didnt think about the iron
Gonna add the guanos & green sand to the soil & give em some tea. Not sure on the ingrediants of the tea yet. The post by Elduece about Fungi & Bacteria is somthing I'm goona study up on. Maybe a simple Molas +kelp+Mycorr ? (not sure) once every 7-10 days until I see some def. with a Phospherous sugar blast in 4th/5th week flower. Any thoughts on a tea for my soil mix??? Sorry this is what I should have asked in my first post. I read all the posts yesterday but dont remember some not sure if my ? has already been answered, so Ima read up again.
.........BsB.
Thats a great mix. There are two types of mycorrhyzia...but you probably know that. FF seedling starter has some in it, so I just add a handful to anything I pot up.
I use molasses and seaweed in foliar feeding. Magic stuff.