My House Got Raided Today.

Actually, police do whatever the fuck they want, because they have a gun on their sideand their job is to be an asshole!!!! Are you a moron or what, dude really???

You mean you guys actually GROW DRUGS? OMG! I thought this place was just for people who wanted to engage in Socratic mental exercises by exploring hypothetical issues that could come up if we were crazy enough to grow!

LOSBEANEROS said:

You mean you guys actually GROW DRUGS? OMG! I thought this place was just for people who wanted to engage in Socratic mental exercises by exploring hypothetical issues that could come up if we were crazy enough to grow!

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your screen name made me chuckle.

cockmorlow123 said:

Actually, police do whatever the fuck they want, because they have a gun on their sideand their job is to be an asshole!!!! Are you a moron or what, dude really???

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Nice first post asshole...
Hay everyone Lookie we have a new Troll in town
username sugests that he sucks a very mean dick.

cockmorlow123 said:

Actually, police do whatever the fuck they want, because they have a gun on their sideand their job is to be an asshole!!!! Are you a moron or what, dude really???

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dirtsurfr said:

Nice first post asshole...
Hay everyone Lookie we have a new Troll in town
username sugests that he sucks a very mean dick.

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I second that Soil chimp.
Alright, who left the Ass Hat door open again?

afrawfraw said:

At the arraignment, the State will present all of the evidence they have against you. Fuck the tip. That's not evidence. If shit head testifies against you, their names are in black and white, so the hit ma...The lawyer can read them.

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WRONG!!! The ONLY way they can deny you that knowledge is if they can prove you pose a significant danger of retribution to their witness. In the discovery, the name, address and phone # (If any) is open and not redacted. Only the attorney of record is entitled to get the discovery, who will in turn provide you, the defendant with a copy. This Confidential witness thing only holds up in RICO/Organized crime cases, and even then it's almost impossible to the witnesses ID secret. It's a fundamental right to confront your accuser.

Pat the stoner said:

Wonderful stuff . The courts are saying the only way for me to gain access to that info (where the probable cause for the warrant came from) is to have a lawyer and he has to file a motion for discovery and they will only give it to him , not me even as a pro se litigant . Fucking liars . I now see why the courts are so distressed .

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Pat, you'd be an idiot to go in pro se. Even a PD is better than no lawyer, if only because they are familiar with the rules of court and criminal procedure. Motions and such can be thrown out or denied on procedural error. But IF you do go pro se, you would be the attorney of record, and thus entitled to a copy (UNREDACTED) of the discovery file. And remember, anything NOT n that file at the time of trial is almost inadmissible. They WILL try and tell you otherwise tho.



The MAIN reason that people THINK they get away with anything is that the police and prosecutor will scare the living shit out of the defendant, telling them how many centuries they are gonna get if they take it to trial. 95% of all cases never make it to trial, and it's ONLY at trial that you are entitled to confront the witnesses. Almost always people are so scared, they take the plea, even if they have a better than average shot of beating it at trial. The PD office is SO overburdened that they are mostly deal brokers. Most are willing to go to trial though, if the defendant wishes to, and will give a respectable performance. One thing is that if you have a PD and lose at trial, you have AUTOMATIC grounds for appeal due to ineffective assistance of counsel because they ARE so overloaded. I've been thru this 30 years ago in the Fed system, and have been going thru this now for going on 2 years at the state level.

Its like waiting for a crayz movie to come out.. i cant wait to find out what happens!!

I've been waiting 2 years, get comfortable!!!

Any
ACLU lawyers available in Texas? Some of this stuff just sounds like your stereotypical southern sheriff boy shit.

Pro Bono attorneys are like hens teeth. Even tho they are required to perform X number of hours pro bono as part of being a member of the Bar Association, they get by with out doing much, if any. The ACLU will only take on cases that are VERY high profile and make National news.

Ya man, move to Western Washington, Western Oregon, or N Cali, in that order.

Phate said:

how can you associate yourself in any wqay with people who obviously have only THEIR interests in mind and will toss you under a bus at the first chance to get away a slight bit cleaner for their own flaws... or someone who views themselves as holier than though because you like to GROW A PLANT... bro... to cold hard truth that you probably dont want to accept is THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUM... no hate on you that your wife or ex wife is shit, but brah... she is SHIT... man... not your fault you married shit.. but your fault if you keep clinging to shit... ya feel me? Her spawn is shit because she is shit and they are all shit bro, DISTANCE YOURSELF every chance you get.... man your shit died, you dont like weed, ... whatever whatever, just distance yourself over and over... read this whole thing and man... you let an evil seed be planted in the garden of your life and youve got to get rid of the weeds you allowed to grow.... erraticate them shits and move on to a solo place where such pests cannot thrive.... you are worth so much more than this shit... irradicate it man... just do it... peace

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Wow, after that all I can say is . . . Shit !

Greatwhite your signatures are awesome. Especially the first one.

Jack Harer said:

WRONG!!! The ONLY way they can deny you that knowledge is if they can prove you pose a significant danger of retribution to their witness. In the discovery, the name, address and phone # (If any) is open and not redacted. Only the attorney of record is entitled to get the discovery, who will in turn provide you, the defendant with a copy. This Confidential witness thing only holds up in RICO/Organized crime cases, and even then it's almost impossible to the witnesses ID secret. It's a fundamental right to confront your accuser.

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How am I wrong!? You just re-iterated my point!!!

Jack Harer said:

Pat, you'd be an idiot to go in pro se. Even a PD is better than no lawyer, if only because they are familiar with the rules of court and criminal procedure. Motions and such can be thrown out or denied on procedural error. But IF you do go pro se, you would be the attorney of record, and thus entitled to a copy (UNREDACTED) of the discovery file. And remember, anything NOT n that file at the time of trial is almost inadmissible. They WILL try and tell you otherwise tho.

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I concur! Bad move! Unless you're a practicing lawyer with 10+ years under your belt.

Jack Harer said:

The MAIN reason that people THINK they get away with anything is that the police and prosecutor will scare the living shit out of the defendant, telling them how many centuries they are gonna get if they take it to trial. 95% of all cases never make it to trial, and it's ONLY at trial that you are entitled to confront the witnesses. Almost always people are so scared, they take the plea, even if they have a better than average shot of beating it at trial. The PD office is SO overburdened that they are mostly deal brokers. Most are willing to go to trial though, if the defendant wishes to, and will give a respectable performance. One thing is that if you have a PD and lose at trial, you have AUTOMATIC grounds for appeal due to ineffective assistance of counsel because they ARE so overloaded. I've been thru this 30 years ago in the Fed system, and have been going thru this now for going on 2 years at the state level.

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True. Typically the angle of the prosecution is OUTSIDE the court room. Motions going unanswered by over burdened PD's is usually the course of action. If they move to strike evidence, or introduce it, and your attorney says nothing, you just lost without even starting the trial!

afrawfraw said:

How am I wrong!? You just re-iterated my point!!!



I concur! Bad move! Unless you're a practicing lawyer with 10+ years under your belt.



True. Typically the angle of the prosecution is OUTSIDE the court room. Motions going unanswered by over burdened PD's is usually the course of action. If they move to strike evidence, or introduce it, and your attorney says nothing, you just lost without even starting the trial!

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Well they are definitely angling outside the courtroom and it hasn't even started yet . They don't think I qualify for a public defender . Really that means they don't want me to have a PD . Where I come from they would already have had a public defender assigned to me . This YOKIE OKIE HEE HAW GET A ROPE shit has me wondering what happened to the Constitution and what country am I in now .

Ummm you have the right to an attorney, if you dont have one, one will be appointed to you. Do you not have rights where you are at?

What's the minimum for cultivating marijuana in texas?

Btw, PD arnt all bad.. I spent 3K on a lawyer for him to walk out after a year (not even go to trial) and then have a PD got it thrown out in 4 months. Wasn't the charges you face but you get the picture.

Good Luck with court, hope you can get off with a huge slap on the wrist!

Pat the stoner said:

Well they are definitely angling outside the courtroom and it hasn't even started yet . They don't think I qualify for a public defender . Really that means they don't want me to have a PD . Where I come from they would already have had a public defender assigned to me . This YOKIE OKIE HEE HAW GET A ROPE shit has me wondering what happened to the Constitution and what country am I in now .

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That really sucks.. they want you to pay big $$ for a lawyer for something that's complety natural(no cooking up battery acid, no extracts, fricking grow and smoke!). And then, want you to pay the huge fine they are going to get.. and you have to file for a PD. Atleast in my state.. the judge grants or dismisses the file for a PD. screw the system, To some extent.

learning the difference between what is lawful and what is legal seems to be of help here and a good place to start the learning process
relying on the mercy of the state is not a road i plan to go down, if i ever have to cross that bridge i plan to make things as difficult as possible, and as costly as possible for those that seek to control my rights
a lawyer/solicitor is of no real use .. defending yourself is the only real option, and a lawful right

if you believe you have done something wrong then accept your punishment
if you believe you have done nothing wrong, that's when the fun can start!
it's easy to be persuaded you have done wrong in the face of losing your liberty or possessions so you agree under duress that you have done wrong you agree to be punished
it's much more interesting to disagree , just say NO and keep saying NO , see what happens lol

skunkd0c said:

learning the difference between what is lawful and what is legal seems to be of help here and a good place to start the learning process
relying on the mercy of the state is not a road i plan to go down, if i ever have to cross that bridge i plan to make things as difficult as possible, and as costly as possible for those that seek to control my rights
a lawyer/solicitor is of no real use .. defending yourself is the only real option, and a lawful right

if you believe you have done something wrong then accept your punishment
if you believe you have done nothing wrong, that's when the fun can start!
it's easy to be persuaded you have done wrong in the face of losing your liberty or possessions so you agree under duress that you have done wrong you agree to be punished
it's much more interesting to disagree , just say NO and keep saying NO , see what happens lol

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You can only say no for so long. Then when the day comes, you'll only have on the record denial. Not so pretty to the judge (or jury if you go to trial) Don't deny what's true, be smart and fight what's wrong!