My first grow - Dedoverde Haze Auto 400w HID
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Skurge
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Cal/Mag is actually used in every feeding from now until it's time to flush with the schedule I'm using (at 1/2 strength), so I' not too worried about it. Might actually go up to full strength for a bit if the mag deficiency symptoms don't go away within a week or so.
I was getting a bit worried about them after flush, the other two largest ladies were also starting to show signs of a mag def (yellowing between veins on pretty much all of the mid/upper growth), which from what I've been told is normal after a mid grow flush. During the flush my initial run off was about 1100 PPM, each pot got flushed down to around 200, and I only another 1L (650 ppm) feed to each lady post flush, so I think they got a bit starved.
Last night I fed them (against my better judgement because the soil was still somewhat moist), and oh boy did they need it. These ladies must have been hungry, many of the leaves that were laying flat or looking a bit droopy are now reaching for the sky overnight.
One thing I found odd, the smallest lady was just starting to show very slight signs of mag def on only a few blades of the upper growth. She's standing around 18" and it seems this will be her final height. The other 3 are all 22-25" and showed much greater signs of deficiency. I'm guessing it would make sense for the smaller plant to not become deficient as fast as the other 3? She's the smallest but looks the most healthy (I would say 70%+ of the growth on the other three is showing the yellowing between veins, one of them had some brown spotting), but she has maintained her dark green pigment, and seems to be further ahead in flower. Quite a few of her sugar leaves are starting to show trichomes, which are pretty much non existent on the others at this point.Also, this "shortest lady", is the one I named the champ early on, she still looks the healthiest, but got passed up by the runt who is now sitting around 22".
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Skurge
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Day 38
Well, I think the ladies are looking good for the most part. Some lower leaves are yellowing on the two mid sized ladies, "the champ" is still the smallest at 19" (and looks the most healthy), most of her leaves still have a very solid green look, the pigment on the 3 larger ladies seems to have gone a bit lighter. The nodes on the smallest also seem more dense (she's definitely showing a lot more sugar).
Height - 19" - 26" - 26" - 28"
Temps 79F
RH 45-50%
The feed has been PH 5.8-5.9 since flush and around 1200 PPM the past few days.
In Tang's Schedule he doesn't start the Bud Factor X until around day 45 (and at full strength), but think I'm going to start at 1/2 str a few days ealier.
Currently on 2 ml/l Sensi Bloom A+B - 1.6 ml/l Calmag - 1 ml/l Voodoo Juice - Big Bud - Carboload
Thinking I'll cut back Calmag to 1 ml/l and start Bud Factor X at 1 ml/l (1/2 str) next feed (also replacing voodoo juice with B52)
Will be starting Overdrive at 1/2 str about a week from now, will up Bud Factor X to full strength at that point.
Pics kinda suck, definitely not catching any of the frostyness with this camera.
This lady is 19" and healthy as can be as far as I can tell. The other 3 are taller with larger node spacing and seem less dense.
This is the only gal that has shown substantial spotting, but it doesn't seem to be spreading anymore. She's also the tallest at 28"
The pigment on these two and the one above turned a lighter shade of green after the flush, the yellowing leaves toward the bottom just started in the past few days (aside from the yellowing between veins on the two leaf sets in the third pic which has been there for a while. They both stand at 26"
Well, I think the ladies are looking good for the most part. Some lower leaves are yellowing on the two mid sized ladies, "the champ" is still the smallest at 19" (and looks the most healthy), most of her leaves still have a very solid green look, the pigment on the 3 larger ladies seems to have gone a bit lighter. The nodes on the smallest also seem more dense (she's definitely showing a lot more sugar).
Height - 19" - 26" - 26" - 28"
Temps 79F
RH 45-50%
The feed has been PH 5.8-5.9 since flush and around 1200 PPM the past few days.
In Tang's Schedule he doesn't start the Bud Factor X until around day 45 (and at full strength), but think I'm going to start at 1/2 str a few days ealier.
Currently on 2 ml/l Sensi Bloom A+B - 1.6 ml/l Calmag - 1 ml/l Voodoo Juice - Big Bud - Carboload
Thinking I'll cut back Calmag to 1 ml/l and start Bud Factor X at 1 ml/l (1/2 str) next feed (also replacing voodoo juice with B52)
Will be starting Overdrive at 1/2 str about a week from now, will up Bud Factor X to full strength at that point.
Pics kinda suck, definitely not catching any of the frostyness with this camera.
This lady is 19" and healthy as can be as far as I can tell. The other 3 are taller with larger node spacing and seem less dense.
This is the only gal that has shown substantial spotting, but it doesn't seem to be spreading anymore. She's also the tallest at 28"
The pigment on these two and the one above turned a lighter shade of green after the flush, the yellowing leaves toward the bottom just started in the past few days (aside from the yellowing between veins on the two leaf sets in the third pic which has been there for a while. They both stand at 26"
Skurge
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Thanks, but I think the 3 larger ladies could look a bit better. The pics aren't too great, but the smaller plant looks very healthy, is getting really frosty and seems further along in flower than the others. The larger ladies also became a lighter shade of green with some yellowing and other discoloration. My guess is they got flushed a bit too early and were hungry for more veg nutes, or I started the calmag too late and the smaller girl took longer to become deficient (which never happened). From the way they're looking now, it looks like the smallest lady is going to produce the most, but I'm new to this and could be wrong.
Not sure about doing a sog with this strain, she branches out a lot and can get pretty big (breeder states up to 5'). My ladies are a lot more cramped than I'd like them to be, and I'm confident that my 3 tallest could have hit 3'+ and would have got quite a bit wider, if I kept them under the MH and on veg nutes a little longer. That's in 3 gal fabric pots in a 2x4 space. probably better off running fewer bigger plants and doing some LST and/or a Scrog, thinking u wouldn't want to run more than 2 under 150w. Next time around I'm going to run 2 plants in 5 gallon air pots (looking at heavyweights 2 fast 2 vast), and train them to try and keep an even canopy. Thinking 2 bigger plants will work out better with this setup.
Coco0503
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Definitely wouldn't be running this strain for it, it's just that I keep seeing really rad auto grows and I think I've gotta do a run with them! I'm going to be getting a 4x4 tent early next year and plan on getting a 600w setup. That will actually open me up to more options haha
Skurge
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Day 45
Dropped Big Bud, and started Overdrive today. Upped Carboload and Bud Factor X to 1.6 ml/l (from 1ml/l) instead of 2 ml/l for now to see how they take it. Feed was around 1300 PPM PH 5.7, the PH is a bit low, but not too worried about it with AN unless it goes to one extreme or the other. The two 26" gals that I thought were showing signs of slight cal/mag def are looking healthy aside from some tip burn here and there. The biggest is still looking pretty scary and I got some better pics, her main cola seems to be developing okay, but the secondary branches seem a bit behind especially when compared to the others. The main cola on the smallest gal is about 8" long, thick as a soda can and is frosting up nicely, I'm thinking (and hoping) that she might finish a little sooner than the others. Some of the pistils on the smallest and biggest have started to turn amber, but not on the other two. Another 3-4 weeks (possibly closer to 5) and timberrrr!
Here are some pics of the biggest gal who didn't seem to show any improvement after starting calmag. A lot of the lower growth is still a solid dark green, pretty much everything on the lower half. The spotting started in the upper middle growth and worked it's way up. They've all received the same treatment and she's the only one that's having this issue.
Main cola on the smallest gal, also the fattest by a fair margin.
Getting Frosty!
Dropped Big Bud, and started Overdrive today. Upped Carboload and Bud Factor X to 1.6 ml/l (from 1ml/l) instead of 2 ml/l for now to see how they take it. Feed was around 1300 PPM PH 5.7, the PH is a bit low, but not too worried about it with AN unless it goes to one extreme or the other. The two 26" gals that I thought were showing signs of slight cal/mag def are looking healthy aside from some tip burn here and there. The biggest is still looking pretty scary and I got some better pics, her main cola seems to be developing okay, but the secondary branches seem a bit behind especially when compared to the others. The main cola on the smallest gal is about 8" long, thick as a soda can and is frosting up nicely, I'm thinking (and hoping) that she might finish a little sooner than the others. Some of the pistils on the smallest and biggest have started to turn amber, but not on the other two. Another 3-4 weeks (possibly closer to 5) and timberrrr!
Here are some pics of the biggest gal who didn't seem to show any improvement after starting calmag. A lot of the lower growth is still a solid dark green, pretty much everything on the lower half. The spotting started in the upper middle growth and worked it's way up. They've all received the same treatment and she's the only one that's having this issue.
Main cola on the smallest gal, also the fattest by a fair margin.
Getting Frosty!
Sexologist420
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Keep it up bud. Just fired up a grow my self first time doing a journal in 5 years. Only advice I can offer is use dolomite lime in your soil next time. In every grow I've done I've never had "deficiancy" issues and I don't measure anything. Dolomite lime is fucking amazing and keeps everyrhing in balance. Just my opinion and what has worked for me in both growing pot and all the fruits and veggies I grow in my garden. Dolomite lime and organic ferts.
innerG
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Yep, most soils you get like Fox Farm usually have dolomite in there already - just check the bag
Skurge
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This is Pro Mix HP CC and it has dolomite lime added. It's just the biggest plant that's spotting and it started around flush time, the other 3 look great. Fairly confident that it's not a PH issue, checked it during flush using run off method and it was on point. I'm not too worried about it, pretty sure she'll make it to harvest. Looks like she'll produce a bit less than the other 3 though.
This is everything that's in the mix.
- Sphagnum Peat Moss (65-75% in volume)
- Calcitic Limestone
- Micronutrients
- Horticultural Grade Perlite
- Dolomitic Limestone
- Wetting Agent - Chunk COIR
- Macronutrients
- MYCORRHIZAE™
This is everything that's in the mix.
- Sphagnum Peat Moss (65-75% in volume)
- Calcitic Limestone
- Micronutrients
- Horticultural Grade Perlite
- Dolomitic Limestone
- Wetting Agent - Chunk COIR
- Macronutrients
- MYCORRHIZAE™
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Skurge
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Day 50
The ladies are looking good. but things are getting really cramped now. Probably spend 20 minutes tucking leaves after each watering in an attempt to increase light penetration. Looking forward to not having this issue next time around. Smell is realllly starting to pick up, opening my tent is like running into a brick wall of dank haha.
This is the smallest gal and she's looking great. Some of the bigger fan leaves (only maybe 2 sets near the top), have some serious canoeing going on. Don't see how it could be heat stress, temps are usually 77-79F, 81 at the highest. Can low RH cause leaves to canoe? It's only 45-48% sometimes lower.
The Cal Whore - It's funny how much bigger she is than the smallest, they look like two entirely different plants. Her branches are a lot longer, and the buds also seem more elongated and less dense. Wondering if her potency will be effected at all.
Frosty time!
The ladies are looking good. but things are getting really cramped now. Probably spend 20 minutes tucking leaves after each watering in an attempt to increase light penetration. Looking forward to not having this issue next time around. Smell is realllly starting to pick up, opening my tent is like running into a brick wall of dank haha.
This is the smallest gal and she's looking great. Some of the bigger fan leaves (only maybe 2 sets near the top), have some serious canoeing going on. Don't see how it could be heat stress, temps are usually 77-79F, 81 at the highest. Can low RH cause leaves to canoe? It's only 45-48% sometimes lower.
The Cal Whore - It's funny how much bigger she is than the smallest, they look like two entirely different plants. Her branches are a lot longer, and the buds also seem more elongated and less dense. Wondering if her potency will be effected at all.
Frosty time!
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Skurge
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Day 55
Height - 21" - 29" - 29 1/2" - 31"
Temps - 79-81F
RH - 43-48%
Oh my, oh my, it is getting packed in the tent, some of the leaves on the "door" side are pretty much pressed completely vertical against the wall after closing the tent. Earlier on in the thread I estimated they would end up around 1 1/2' - 2 1/2' and it's looking like I was right on the moneys. The smell seems to be getting more intense every couple days, really strong lemony pine scent.
Some of the upper leaves (the ones most exposed to the light) are rusting around the edges, which you can see in a few of the pics. Not sure if this is normal toward the end, from what I was reading it could be over watering, heat/light burn, salt build up (thinking this is a possibility). Also, some of the upper leaves seem really crispy with no pliability in the tips (the tips will break right off if bent). Temps are fine, the light is air cooled and about 10-12" away from the tops (further from the leaves showing these symptoms). Wondering if maybe it could be under watering, they've only been getting 1L about every 24 hours, going to start checking them twice a day. I'm not too worried about it, will start flushing in 5-6 days and it should be smooth sailing from there. Quite a few of the lower leaves (mostly on the biggest plant) have dried up and died off, but I'm guessing this is normal.
Ordered the beans for round 2 last night, decided to go with Heavyweights 2 Fast 2 Vast. Hopefully they make it through customs the first time around, so I can get started again right away. Going to run two of them in 5 Gal Air Pots and probably do some LST, 4 seems like a bit much for this space.
Height - 21" - 29" - 29 1/2" - 31"
Temps - 79-81F
RH - 43-48%
Oh my, oh my, it is getting packed in the tent, some of the leaves on the "door" side are pretty much pressed completely vertical against the wall after closing the tent. Earlier on in the thread I estimated they would end up around 1 1/2' - 2 1/2' and it's looking like I was right on the moneys. The smell seems to be getting more intense every couple days, really strong lemony pine scent.
Some of the upper leaves (the ones most exposed to the light) are rusting around the edges, which you can see in a few of the pics. Not sure if this is normal toward the end, from what I was reading it could be over watering, heat/light burn, salt build up (thinking this is a possibility). Also, some of the upper leaves seem really crispy with no pliability in the tips (the tips will break right off if bent). Temps are fine, the light is air cooled and about 10-12" away from the tops (further from the leaves showing these symptoms). Wondering if maybe it could be under watering, they've only been getting 1L about every 24 hours, going to start checking them twice a day. I'm not too worried about it, will start flushing in 5-6 days and it should be smooth sailing from there. Quite a few of the lower leaves (mostly on the biggest plant) have dried up and died off, but I'm guessing this is normal.
Ordered the beans for round 2 last night, decided to go with Heavyweights 2 Fast 2 Vast. Hopefully they make it through customs the first time around, so I can get started again right away. Going to run two of them in 5 Gal Air Pots and probably do some LST, 4 seems like a bit much for this space.
hotrodharley
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Rethink the epsom salts versus Cal/Mag. Calcium binds to phosphorous to form an insoluble salt. This salt can coat your roots. Then they can't take in anything. Straight epsom salts are Magnesium Sulfate and contain no calcium.
Skurge
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But they still need calcium? My tap water is only 95-100 PPM and a couple of the ladies have actually been showing signs of calcium deficiency since start of bloom (one very slight, the other pretty severe). A lot of other people use this same feeding schedule with great results, if anything I think they could have used more cal/mag. Based on the size of these colas, and how the 3 healthier plants are looking, I highly doubt there's any lockout going on.
Skurge
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Day 59
Okay, so I'm having some trouble deciding when to start the flush. Having quite a bit of trouble seeing the trichomes clearly with my 40x jeweler's loupe, but from what I can see they look like they're still mostly clear, couldn't pick out any cloudy trichomes in the ones that I could see clearly, and definitely not any amber.
I was going to start flushing tomorrow, but thinking maybe I should feed for a few more days at least.
The smallest and biggest gals pistils I'd say are about 40% amber (they seem to be maturing faster than the medium sized ladies), the other two are 20-30% maybe less. But the colas are getting really, really fat. I'm no expert, but if I had to guess, I'd say just the main cola on the smallest gal would be around 1 Oz. dry right now, and two of her secondary colas are almost the same size. The main colas on the larger and medium sized gals are around 12-15" long and thicker than my forearm. The size is definitely there, just concerned about potency, since most of the trichs that I can see appear to be clear.
I took some pics of the smaller gal, since she seems to be the most mature, not sure how much that will help.
Also, I'm following Tang's Feeding Schedule, and he doesn't PH his flush water. But I'm wondering if I should PH Down a bit since my tap water is around 8-8.5 PH (it seems to vary). Not sure if that much of a PH swing in the last couple weeks will do any harm.
Dedoverde Haze is supposed to be a 70-80 day auto
Okay, so I'm having some trouble deciding when to start the flush. Having quite a bit of trouble seeing the trichomes clearly with my 40x jeweler's loupe, but from what I can see they look like they're still mostly clear, couldn't pick out any cloudy trichomes in the ones that I could see clearly, and definitely not any amber.
I was going to start flushing tomorrow, but thinking maybe I should feed for a few more days at least.
The smallest and biggest gals pistils I'd say are about 40% amber (they seem to be maturing faster than the medium sized ladies), the other two are 20-30% maybe less. But the colas are getting really, really fat. I'm no expert, but if I had to guess, I'd say just the main cola on the smallest gal would be around 1 Oz. dry right now, and two of her secondary colas are almost the same size. The main colas on the larger and medium sized gals are around 12-15" long and thicker than my forearm. The size is definitely there, just concerned about potency, since most of the trichs that I can see appear to be clear.
I took some pics of the smaller gal, since she seems to be the most mature, not sure how much that will help.
Also, I'm following Tang's Feeding Schedule, and he doesn't PH his flush water. But I'm wondering if I should PH Down a bit since my tap water is around 8-8.5 PH (it seems to vary). Not sure if that much of a PH swing in the last couple weeks will do any harm.
Dedoverde Haze is supposed to be a 70-80 day auto
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Day 65
Day 6 of Flush
Finally broke down and took a sample off of what I think is the most mature plant, so I decided to do another small update.
Removed one entire node from the upper-middle area of the plant (just beneath the main cola). I did it before watering (so the soil was somewhat dry), and after trimming it weighs in at 12.2g wet.
Even if it turns out to be 3-4g dry, that means just those 2 nodes are going to produce around 1/4 of prime buds
A part of me is wishing that I was more patient and pushed feed for a few more days, but something is telling me that they really wouldn't have packed on much more weight, if any.
As it's looking now, thinking I'll come pretty close to 1g/watt, possibly more.
The buds smell super fruity, if I were looking for something to compare it too, I'd say the smell is pretty similar to that of Fruit Loops cereal lol. Made the mistake of breaking that bud down without gloves, and felt like spider-man afterwards.
Any advice on how I should quick dry these nugs? I'm just going to quick dry a couple to sample, and let the rest sit in a paper bag for a few days.
Also, I've been flushing for 6 days and none of the leaves have really started to yellow, is this normal?
In these pics, you can see the node that was removed!
This is the same node on the opposite side
Before Trimming!
After Trim
Ms. Fatty in her entirety!
Day 6 of Flush
Finally broke down and took a sample off of what I think is the most mature plant, so I decided to do another small update.
Removed one entire node from the upper-middle area of the plant (just beneath the main cola). I did it before watering (so the soil was somewhat dry), and after trimming it weighs in at 12.2g wet.
Even if it turns out to be 3-4g dry, that means just those 2 nodes are going to produce around 1/4 of prime buds
A part of me is wishing that I was more patient and pushed feed for a few more days, but something is telling me that they really wouldn't have packed on much more weight, if any.
As it's looking now, thinking I'll come pretty close to 1g/watt, possibly more.
The buds smell super fruity, if I were looking for something to compare it too, I'd say the smell is pretty similar to that of Fruit Loops cereal lol. Made the mistake of breaking that bud down without gloves, and felt like spider-man afterwards.
Any advice on how I should quick dry these nugs? I'm just going to quick dry a couple to sample, and let the rest sit in a paper bag for a few days.
Also, I've been flushing for 6 days and none of the leaves have really started to yellow, is this normal?
In these pics, you can see the node that was removed!
This is the same node on the opposite side
Before Trimming!
After Trim
Ms. Fatty in her entirety!
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Skurge
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Day 69
Day 10 of Flush
So I just rolled up the last of the sample taken on day 65, and decided to take another. I'm honestly really happy with the quality of smoke and high from the earlier sample, and I don't think they're going to put on much more weight.
The trichs are mostly cloudy with some clear from what I can see, and I'm pretty sure there's a few amber but still can't see them that well. Most likely going to cut lights tomorrow morning and give them 24-36 hours of dark before the big snip.
Still not sure if I want to water for another couple days. I think they're as fat as they're going to get, and I'm dying to pop these 2 fast 2 vast beans. A couple of them still have quite a few white pistils (around 40%), but I'm pretty sure they're at least within the optimal harvest window, and I really don't see them swelling up any more... Haven't noticed much change in size over the last week at least.
This sample was from the smallest lady (also the most mature), I removed the node opposite the one taken last time. So both of the nodes directly beneath the main cola have been snipped, it's nice to see the shape of just the main cola by itself, forgot to take pictures of her after though lol. It weighed in at 18g directly off the plant.
Day 10 of Flush
So I just rolled up the last of the sample taken on day 65, and decided to take another. I'm honestly really happy with the quality of smoke and high from the earlier sample, and I don't think they're going to put on much more weight.
The trichs are mostly cloudy with some clear from what I can see, and I'm pretty sure there's a few amber but still can't see them that well. Most likely going to cut lights tomorrow morning and give them 24-36 hours of dark before the big snip.
Still not sure if I want to water for another couple days. I think they're as fat as they're going to get, and I'm dying to pop these 2 fast 2 vast beans. A couple of them still have quite a few white pistils (around 40%), but I'm pretty sure they're at least within the optimal harvest window, and I really don't see them swelling up any more... Haven't noticed much change in size over the last week at least.
This sample was from the smallest lady (also the most mature), I removed the node opposite the one taken last time. So both of the nodes directly beneath the main cola have been snipped, it's nice to see the shape of just the main cola by itself, forgot to take pictures of her after though lol. It weighed in at 18g directly off the plant.
Skurge
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Day 72
Well, I think the plan is to cut lights tonight and chop sometime tomorrow. They got their last watering yesterday morning, so waiting until tonight should give the soil some time to dry out a bit.
Not going to leave them in the dark for more than 12-24 hours because I'm concerned about mold... Some of the colas are really close or actually touching, and I think the 24 hour light cycle which causes the heat to be relatively high (79-81F) and the RH low (40-50%) at all times has helped to prevent any mold.
Scared than cutting the lights and the subsequent drop in temp/rise in RH could cause some problems.
The last of the sample taken on day 69... It sure does the trick, and HSO isn't kidding when they say a lemony pine scent, that shit is pungent, makes my mouth water! Dried this bit in a paper bag on top of my ballast for a couple days and threw it in a jar, can't wait to see what a whole jar full smells like!
Some pics taken a couple days ago of the largest and smallest gals
Well, I think the plan is to cut lights tonight and chop sometime tomorrow. They got their last watering yesterday morning, so waiting until tonight should give the soil some time to dry out a bit.
Not going to leave them in the dark for more than 12-24 hours because I'm concerned about mold... Some of the colas are really close or actually touching, and I think the 24 hour light cycle which causes the heat to be relatively high (79-81F) and the RH low (40-50%) at all times has helped to prevent any mold.
Scared than cutting the lights and the subsequent drop in temp/rise in RH could cause some problems.
The last of the sample taken on day 69... It sure does the trick, and HSO isn't kidding when they say a lemony pine scent, that shit is pungent, makes my mouth water! Dried this bit in a paper bag on top of my ballast for a couple days and threw it in a jar, can't wait to see what a whole jar full smells like!
Some pics taken a couple days ago of the largest and smallest gals
Skurge
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Harvest Update
Took them down on day 73 and 74! It was a lot more arduous and time consuming than I thought it would be, but I'm sure it'll be worth it
The biggest gal came in at around 11 Oz wet, can't wait for them to dry out and see the final verdict. Dying to pop these 2 fast 2 vast beans in about a week.
Should I be concerned about mold at all?. RH is 45-50% Temps 75-78F, I broke down the colas and buds range in size from a marble to a small soda can. Hoping I can just leave them and not worry too much, changing out the bags or flipping the buds would be a pain.. Think I could use some bigger bags, haha...
Took them down on day 73 and 74! It was a lot more arduous and time consuming than I thought it would be, but I'm sure it'll be worth it
The biggest gal came in at around 11 Oz wet, can't wait for them to dry out and see the final verdict. Dying to pop these 2 fast 2 vast beans in about a week.
Should I be concerned about mold at all?. RH is 45-50% Temps 75-78F, I broke down the colas and buds range in size from a marble to a small soda can. Hoping I can just leave them and not worry too much, changing out the bags or flipping the buds would be a pain.. Think I could use some bigger bags, haha...