iloveit
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Ok, what about the PH, should I stick to 6.2 for bloom?
My first 3 chamber closet grow with Blueberry
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9inch bigbud
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try to keep close to 6 as you can. you could go as low as 5.5 and let it go to 6.5 that will save you fucking around with the acid all the time and give you a day or so brake.
are you still using hard water nutes?
iloveit
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Ok Ill keep within that PH range. Unfortunately my pay hasnt come in yet so im short on cash at the moment but I dont want to bin my ionic nutes thought I may as well use them up, I did a water test with some tablets & they showed my water as hard though I remember you saying that my water is soft...im confused
is their anyway that I can find out & confirm it once & for all?When I do decide to purchase some real nutes would you recommend Vitalink over Dutch master?
Regarding my Ionic nutes, their are no N
:K values on the bottles so I was just wondering what would happen if I used Ionic grow during the flowering stage or vice versa? I was just curious...pardon my noobiness I wish there was a post to understand nutrients throughly.9inch bigbud
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look in your kettle is it full of fur or lime sacle? if it is then its hard water if not its soft. as i said i had the same problems as you using hard water my ph would keep rising like you explane i told my m8 down the hydro shop and he said to use soft water that solved the problem and iv used nothing else ever since.Ok Ill keep within that PH range. Unfortunately my pay hasnt come in yet so im short on cash at the moment but I dont want to bin my ionic nutes thought I may as well use them up, I did a water test with some tablets & they showed my water as hard though I remember you saying that my water is soft...im confused
When I do decide to purchase some real nutes would you recommend Vitalink over Dutch master?
Regarding my Ionic nutes, their are no N
if you change to Vita link no matter at what time of the grow your at you will not have any problems. Vita Link is better value for money over ionic the 2 part will go a long way.
if you cant get it this grow no problem get it the next time and i would recomend soft water as we talked about before my water is harder than yours and i use soft water nutes. i would not try to fuck up your grow m8 im saying what problems i had and they are the same as you say about the ph rise over the space of 24 hours is a lot if you use soft water you will may be see 0.2 rise over 24 hours. where i would see it rise from 5.8 to 7 over the space of 24 hours using hard water nutes.
iloveit
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Nice one mate Ill keep some money aside for the Vitalink nutes. Another thing about the 2 part nutes how do I use 2 part nutes how do I know of which part to add more of or less of?
9inch bigbud
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you add the same amount of each part A & B
full strength is 4ml of each A & B = 2000 ppm you should not need to adjust the ph if you use it a full strength because it will buffer the solution for you, but if you are using less then you may need to adjust the ph down a little bit.
9inch bigbud
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can i ask why you went with the wilma pot and not NFT?? NFT takes some beating and wins hands down over flood and drain iv got 4 NFT tables and 3 F&D tables they are the same size the best i got of NFT under a 600w was 750g the best i got of the F&D was less than 600g. deep water is better for big plants but if you SOG iv yet witnessed a SOG grow out yeild NFT root mat 4" thick from plants with fuck all veg time.
I love my NFT LOL. fuck all beats it
I love my NFT LOL. fuck all beats it
iloveit
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At first (a year agao) I was considering aeroponics then changed my mind to DWC but it seemed complicated for a novicecan i ask why you went with the wilma pot and not NFT?? NFT takes some beating and wins hands down over flood and drain iv got 4 NFT tables and 3 F&D tables they are the same size the best i got of NFT under a 600w was 750g the best i got of the F&D was less than 600g. deep water is better for big plants but if you SOG iv yet witnessed a SOG grow out yeild NFT root mat 4" thick from plants with fuck all veg time.
I love my NFT LOL. fuck all beats it
I was a regular subscriber to "Heath Robs" journals with a NFT grow so I redirected my attention to NFT but heard some bad reviews of light penetrating to the roots & water causing root-rot & alge 
sounded like high maintance so I had a word with one of the hydro stores & he recommended the "ATAMI WILMA SYSTEM". Got a good price so I gave it a go but I dont like the fact that it takes up so much height space, if it was a little lower I can add an extra 20cm to my plants also Im limited to 4 small plants. Now Im considering a FLOOD & DRAIN SYSTEM or DWC (if I can find something like a RUBBERMAID ROUGHNECK container in U.K. 
)What systems do you have experiance in & what system would you recommend for my limited grow area?
Ive read in to FIMMING & TOPPING but have read that the THC will be equally distributed in all the colas so the overall potency will decrease IS THIS TRUE?!
9inch bigbud
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iv grown more or less in all hydero systems NFT/F&D/DWC/ rockwool drip/ Auto pots with coco /soil/ ect... I find NFT is the best its not hard to mange just top off with PH water every day or hook up a float valve connected to a water butt and let it top its self up. Im the same as you dont have much room to grow tall plants the tables i use are only 8" tall which helps.At first (a year agao) I was considering aeroponics then changed my mind to DWC but it seemed complicated for a novice
What systems do you have experiance in & what system would you recommend for my limited grow area?
Ive read in to FIMMING & TOPPING but have read that the THC will be equally distributed in all the colas so the overall potency will decrease IS THIS TRUE?!
Iv not heard anything about that?
iloveit
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Mmmm youve got me thinking. I was considering this F & D kit http://www.somhydro.co.uk/product.asp?pid=487 but now Im searching for NFT kits, unfortunately the NFT systems on the net are too narrow or too long if I can find one that fits in a 70 x 70cm area then Ill go for it otherwise itll have to be the F & D system for the time being. Maybe I can make one 
. I would settle on the system which allows the maximum amount of plants possible.
May I ask how you got intrested in growing?
. I would settle on the system which allows the maximum amount of plants possible.May I ask how you got intrested in growing?
9inch bigbud
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F&D is even easyer than NFT and is almost impossible to mess up someone would need to be a right fuck wit to fail using F&DMmmm youve got me thinking. I was considering this F & D kit http://www.somhydro.co.uk/product.asp?pid=487 but now Im searching for NFT kits, unfortunately the NFT systems on the net are too narrow or too long if I can find one that fits in a 70 x 70cm area then Ill go for it otherwise itll have to be the F & D system for the time being. Maybe I can make one
May I ask how you got intrested in growing?
i got in to growing a long time ago curiosity mostly. i also smoked lots of
so i thought id give it a go see what it was all about and have been growing ever since.
iloveit
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Flood & drain it is then.F&D is even easyer than NFT and is almost impossible to mess up someone would need to be a right fuck wit to fail using F&D
i got in to growing a long time ago curiosity mostly. i also smoked lots of
In the F & D Ill be using square pots filled with clay pebbles which the root riot/rockwool cubes will sit in. If the roots have been established should I flood until it touches the the Root riot/rockwool cube or until the water level is an inch underneath the cubes? What if the roots arnt established? I know its too soon to think about but my mind has started to tick.
9inch bigbud
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sorry m8 missed the update.
you flood it untill it hits the over flow pipe then shut off if you only have a 15m segmental time just leave it go 15m then let it go off it does not matter you will not drown the plant. you will need a cover with holes cut out for the pots or the new root growth will die off. you could fill the table with clay and do away with the top cover, but still put the plants in pots or when you flood the plants will fall over.
you are only using a small table my self i would use both > fill table with clay and put a cover over to stop evaporation less salt build up more stable ph and the roots will fill the table by doing it that way you will not have to flood so often and the feeder tank will need next to no matinance.
WHAT EVER YOU DO WASH THE CLAY AND PH IT BEFORE YOU START!!!
punch holes in the clay bag run water through it to get most of the dust off find a big bucket make up ph water to 4-5 put clay in and let sit 24 hours take a ph reading see what it reads ? you want it anywhere from 5-6 ph if it is then start filling your pots and table with the clay.
that will slow down if not stop the ph rising 99 times out of 100 the ph will rise in any hydro system so if the rocks are around ph5 then after a day or so it will rise to around 6 all you need to do is keep the feeder ph around the 6 mark and you will have no problems.
12/12
only another 8 or so weeks left to go! get some pics up lets see how they are doing.
iloveit
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I will certainly take your advice on the flood & drain kit.sorry m8 missed the update.
you flood it untill it hits the over flow pipe then shut off if you only have a 15m segmental time just leave it go 15m then let it go off it does not matter you will not drown the plant. you will need a cover with holes cut out for the pots or the new root growth will die off. you could fill the table with clay and do away with the top cover, but still put the plants in pots or when you flood the plants will fall over.
you are only using a small table my self i would use both > fill table with clay and put a cover over to stop evaporation less salt build up more stable ph and the roots will fill the table by doing it that way you will not have to flood so often and the feeder tank will need next to no matinance.
WHAT EVER YOU DO WASH THE CLAY AND PH IT BEFORE YOU START!!!
punch holes in the clay bag run water through it to get most of the dust off find a big bucket make up ph water to 4-5 put clay in and let sit 24 hours take a ph reading see what it reads ? you want it anywhere from 5-6 ph if it is then start filling your pots and table with the clay.
that will slow down if not stop the ph rising 99 times out of 100 the ph will rise in any hydro system so if the rocks are around ph5 then after a day or so it will rise to around 6 all you need to do is keep the feeder ph around the 6 mark and you will have no problems.
12/12
The quadruplets have grown in height & are expanding too here are the pics (the first 4 are in order the rest were randomly shot).
The last 2 pics displays leaves discoloured & twisting, this was developed a few days a go. I dont think its due to heat issues because the temps have been between 23-25C.
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9inch bigbud
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they looking all right now? look at the top of the plant nice green leaf growing rip the old yellow shit off then you will not panic and think somthing is wrong its gone past that, that leaf will never get any better.
the old yellow leaf is dead rip it off the new green 1/2 yellow new growth is fine give it chance to grow for fuck sake! LOL now your in flower plants grow in the dark!!! let the leaf expand and take more light in when they come on and it will look nice and green when it gets the light. watch the next time the lights come on the leaf will expand and start to turn green.
iloveit
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I was pulling on the dead leaf but its not plucking off easily Ill give it a couple of days before trying again.
Nice one 9inchBB.
9inch bigbud
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cut it off leave it on its up to you? there is fuck all wrong with them plants now your doing somthing right
they have grown loads since the last pics i saw of them.
iloveit
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Thanks 9inchBB youve given me so much help & encouragement.
You know how growers cut off the lower 1/3 of the plant when lollipoping? Well I was wondering if it would help if I were to cut off the lower 1/4 of the plant so that all the bud production is concentrated on the higher branches were there is more light & lumens. Is this a good idea or am I over thinking it?
You know how growers cut off the lower 1/3 of the plant when lollipoping? Well I was wondering if it would help if I were to cut off the lower 1/4 of the plant so that all the bud production is concentrated on the higher branches were there is more light & lumens. Is this a good idea or am I over thinking it?
9inch bigbud
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i always cut the botom branches off they grow to long and in to other plants but you dont want to do it to much may be the 1st and 2nd sets it depends what the plant finishes like? look in my pics and you will see i cut of the bottom branches but i leave a few on that stay close to the plant. i call it semi SOG i grow less plants but grow a few side branches that yeild well and fill the canopy.
