My 8hr flowering experiment

torontoke

torontoke

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GroErr said:
Purely by the numbers, the longer veg, monster plants would be the way to get the most out of a space. aka ttystick's monsters yielding at 5 zips/gallon of medium. You only lose the veg time, flowering time should be consistent across strains phenos.

To each his own of course, you have to go with your own preferences/focus. For me, what it really comes down to is variety and putting all your eggs in one basket. If that monster goes wrong you've just set yourself back a few months vs. a few weeks. And to tie up a room with a couple of monster plants means less variety which I'm not willing to trade for yields.

I think I joked with @ttystikk that if I were to go vertical monsters I'd need a 20x40' garage or the like to get the variety I like.
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I agree but I'm interested in the actual numbers. It's a trade off and I see the pro and cons of both theories but that tells me that in most of these situations the perfect comprise is usually somewhere in the middle but where?
Would be nice to have the info charted.
This many watts to this many gals equals this amount per week or month or hour.
Anything is better then the current collection of broken info.
I'm dreaming in technicolor I'm sure
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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GroErr said:
Purely by the numbers, the longer veg, monster plants would be the way to get the most out of a space. aka ttystick's monsters yielding at 5 zips/gallon of medium. You only lose the veg time, flowering time should be consistent across strains phenos.

To each his own of course, you have to go with your own preferences/focus. For me, what it really comes down to is variety and putting all your eggs in one basket. If that monster goes wrong you've just set yourself back a few months vs. a few weeks. And to tie up a room with a couple of monster plants means less variety which I'm not willing to trade for yields.

I think I joked with @ttystikk that if I were to go vertical monsters I'd need a 20x40' garage or the like to get the variety I like.
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With a properly designed perpetual op, you only 'lose' the veg time once. After that, the pipeline is full and things just keep on truckin' thru.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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torontoke said:
I agree but I'm interested in the actual numbers. It's a trade off and I see the pro and cons of both theories but that tells me that in most of these situations the perfect comprise is usually somewhere in the middle but where?
Would be nice to have the info charted.
This many watts to this many gals equals this amount per week or month or hour.
Anything is better then the current collection of broken info.
I'm dreaming in technicolor I'm sure
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There's an interface between the plant's own characteristics and the design of the operation they're in.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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ttystikk said:
With a properly designed perpetual op, you only 'lose' the veg time once. After that, the pipeline is full and things just keep on truckin' thru.
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I think I might be thinking bout this too much but I'm pretty sure you'd lose the veg time either way sir.
Just because you have another 4monthed veg plant behind it doesn't change the fact that you would be losing 4 months worth of work. One minor hiccup and 1/4 of the year is fucked.
It's a risk/reward scenario for sure.
Lots of time and risk is worth it for lots of reward but there's certainly a trade off.
Maybe this topic is a bit like pissing in the wind tho since there isn't a known guideline to check for what works best for every situation.
Just medicated bantering.
I'll quit thinking now for sure....
 
torontoke

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zoic said:
I do not want to play devils advocate but .... are all experiments not risk/reward
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Experiments are for sure sir.
But at what point is something no longer an experiment?
I wouldn't call using 8hrs an experiment anymore. It's simply how I grow now.
Same as ttystick and his wall o weed.
He seems to have the method down and I'm sure it's what he'll do forever now.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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torontoke said:
I think I might be thinking bout this too much but I'm pretty sure you'd lose the veg time either way sir.
Just because you have another 4monthed veg plant behind it doesn't change the fact that you would be losing 4 months worth of work. One minor hiccup and 1/4 of the year is fucked.
It's a risk/reward scenario for sure.
Lots of time and risk is worth it for lots of reward but there's certainly a trade off.
Maybe this topic is a bit like pissing in the wind tho since there isn't a known guideline to check for what works best for every situation.
Just medicated bantering.
I'll quit thinking now for sure....
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One hiccup means one batch is affected.

If you want a crop every month, you start one every month. After however many months of veg, you flip every month. Then two months later you get a crop... every month.

The only difference between pulling monthly crops and weekly ones is how many are in process at any given time.

Since veg plants are smaller, the cost is lower and the space required is less.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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I understand how the veg and flower process works bud.
I think we are on the same page but perhaps something is lost in translation.
Was simply saying I agree with groerr that if u lose a plant u veg'd that long its more work down the drain then 10 plants only veg'd for a month.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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torontoke said:
I understand how the veg and flower process works bud.
I think we are on the same page but perhaps something is lost in translation.
Was simply saying I agree with groerr that if u lose a plant u veg'd that long its more work down the drain then 10 plants only veg'd for a month.
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This is true unless there's a plant count constraint.

Also, with a larger/longer veg, there's the opportunity to have an extra to fill in the hole where a plant failed to thrive, so the space isn't wasted.

Different way to skin the same cat, in this case responsive to max yield while minimising plant count.
 
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Dreadfully dank dd

Dreadfully dank dd

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A few days ago i found debris on one plant. The top cola was broken over the opposite direction but not all the way. I removed the debris and gently leaned the cola back over and have left it alone. It appears to be doing ok but i want to do what it needs to be healthy overall. Any insight? This pic was taken today, 3 days post injury20170912_151416.jpg
 
torontoke

torontoke

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Dreadfully dank dd said:
A few days ago i found debris on one plant. The top cola was broken over the opposite direction but not all the way. I removed the debris and gently leaned the cola back over and have left it alone. It appears to be doing ok but i want to do what it needs to be healthy overall. Any insight? This pic was taken today, 3 days post injuryView attachment 4009494
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Usually if I break a branch or top I put some honey on the split and put duct tape over it to help it stay in place. They are pretty rugged plants that can handle some abuse.
The honey seems to make it heal a lil quicker and a knuckle will form.
 
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