Mr and Mrs Riffix' Cali Hashplant Grow

monkeybones

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Ashamed I didn't see the link in your sig sooner :P

Looks like you're off to a fine and breezy start :) Your plants are showing some really nice early growth, those leaves are going to be beautiful when those plants start their veg cycle. Nice and compact looking nodes so far too. Great! They should be ready to gobble up some nitrogen quite soon.

Keep it up, definitly subscribed. And I think it's pretty fuckin' awesome that you have someone special to embark on the growing journey with. +rep for liberal lifestyle! ha :P

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RiffiX

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The plants are looking healthy, sadly angel didnt make it, or daisy, so that leaves us with 3 cali hash on the grow, we will just have to grow them a little bigger :) lots of space in the cabinet so thats good.
 

DevilishlyKatt

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A few updated pics of the girls! I removed the dried out leaves and all in all they seem to be doing a lot better. There is still a bit of yellowing on the very tips, but they're not drying out anymore. I'm still thinking the big problem was me moistening them with our water and not adjusting it, we have quite high PH, but they are getting it nice and neutral now. It's funny how much something like that can effect a lil plant, especially when the other houseplants don't seem to care whether it's adjusted or not. I am now wondering if Mary Jane is asking to be kept on the nutes though with the way her tips are looking?
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Oh and don't mind the kitteh face that has found it's way in the last pic lol
 

johnnytoobad

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hey hey kat and riff...lmao kat to get me back here ya goofbal. jk. lookin good and if ya got that extra space your all good. as in a longer veg time bigger plants ect. feed them....in the time i looked at the pics and posted this ive seen like 5 butterflys and smoked a joint. Backyard is awesome.
 

monkeybones

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... I'm so over the combo of not being able to find it and having bags that don't weigh out or just shit weed!
Couldn't agree more. Mine are for personal use as well! Don't think I could part with em unless it was in smoke :)

Hey, thanks for the input, how high do you think I should raise it? It's about 16-17 inches above the plants now, which was moved up from before.
While MJ is a sun loving plant hps can be a bit intense for babies the size of yours. When my grass was still young, about the age of yours, I kept my 400w HPS about 35 inches away from them. It wasn't until vegetative stage (when in nature it would be switching from early spring to late spring/summer) that I brought my light down to about 16-18 inches and added ventilation to account for the extra heat.





Also, you've mentioned a lot about nutrient issues and PH problems. In this early stage of life nutrients are not so important as you might think. Your plant will not begin to consume nitrogen en mass until it reaches vegetative stage. I had great success with plain mildly fertilized potting soil, and didn't receive any bat guano until they were about 16 inches tall. about as soon as they Also, high PH will lock out a lot of nutrients including nitrogen so it's very possible that your plants will begin to show improved colour and health after some routine PHing. A lot of people wait until the plant has produced its first 5 pointed leaf and entered the vegetative stage of growth to begin adding nutrients at their recommended dosages. Your vegetable compost (I'm assuming is some you've produced on your own) will probably have plenty of nutrients to at least get your plant to veg stage, at which point you'll notice it will become a glutton.


AAAAAnd another thing; I read somewhere along the line that you were feeling the need to mist soil between the 3-5 day spaced waterings. In my experience small 4" pots dry out so fast they can require watering as often as once a day under an HPS light. It may not feel like it to the human hand but HPS lights put out a remarkable amount of energy that while maybe not fully accessible to a human hand is as plain as day to a plant leaf. The more a plant leaf consumes in light energy (resulting in accelerated photosynthesis) the more it perspires and in turn the more water it consumes through the roots and leaves. This drying effect is further accelerated by the simple heat produced by the light itself. Also, moving air can greatly accelerate the perspiration process. My recommendation is invest in a cheap moisture meter at your local store, water as soon as it's dry, never go beyond moist, and your plants will always have the perfect balance of moisture/oxygen in their soil, especially with the vermiculite and perlite you've provided them.

Cheers, please feel free to ask any questions if you have them. :peace:
 

tip top toker

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hahaha, marmalade cat knows toooo much, just gunning for a chomp! reminds me of garfield always eating johns pot plants :D
 

DevilishlyKatt

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Couldn't agree more. Mine are for personal use as well! Don't think I could part with em unless it was in smoke :)



While MJ is a sun loving plant hps can be a bit intense for babies the size of yours. When my grass was still young, about the age of yours, I kept my 400w HPS about 35 inches away from them. It wasn't until vegetative stage (when in nature it would be switching from early spring to late spring/summer) that I brought my light down to about 16-18 inches and added ventilation to account for the extra heat.





Also, you've mentioned a lot about nutrient issues and PH problems. In this early stage of life nutrients are not so important as you might think. Your plant will not begin to consume nitrogen en mass until it reaches vegetative stage. I had great success with plain mildly fertilized potting soil, and didn't receive any bat guano until they were about 16 inches tall. about as soon as they Also, high PH will lock out a lot of nutrients including nitrogen so it's very possible that your plants will begin to show improved colour and health after some routine PHing. A lot of people wait until the plant has produced its first 5 pointed leaf and entered the vegetative stage of growth to begin adding nutrients at their recommended dosages. Your vegetable compost (I'm assuming is some you've produced on your own) will probably have plenty of nutrients to at least get your plant to veg stage, at which point you'll notice it will become a glutton.


AAAAAnd another thing; I read somewhere along the line that you were feeling the need to mist soil between the 3-5 day spaced waterings. In my experience small 4" pots dry out so fast they can require watering as often as once a day under an HPS light. It may not feel like it to the human hand but HPS lights put out a remarkable amount of energy that while maybe not fully accessible to a human hand is as plain as day to a plant leaf. The more a plant leaf consumes in light energy (resulting in accelerated photosynthesis) the more it perspires and in turn the more water it consumes through the roots and leaves. This drying effect is further accelerated by the simple heat produced by the light itself. Also, moving air can greatly accelerate the perspiration process. My recommendation is invest in a cheap moisture meter at your local store, water as soon as it's dry, never go beyond moist, and your plants will always have the perfect balance of moisture/oxygen in their soil, especially with the vermiculite and perlite you've provided them.

Cheers, please feel free to ask any questions if you have them. :peace:
Thanks! The bit about the light is really helpful, it seems like everywhere I read says around 18 inches as the norm which is why I was hesitant to raise it, but just having it up higher until the vegetative stage makes more sense. We didn't make the composte ourselves, we will probably start doing this soon to benefit the many plants we have going round the house, but this is just a buy in. I will hold off on feeding then and I think we'll raise the light up a bit tonight. That makes me feel better about the water, I don't want to overdo it, but the soil really seems to dry out. I've got lots of water adjusted and ready now so I'm looking forward to seeing the improvements.
 

DevilishlyKatt

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hahaha, marmalade cat knows toooo much, just gunning for a chomp! reminds me of garfield always eating johns pot plants :D
Haha, I know, she's a threat to the whole operation!! Actually she's a threat to the whole house, especially our toes whilst we sleep... demon kitteh lol
 

DevilishlyKatt

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I could see a bunch of eager roots in the bottom of the pots this morning so we repotted the girls. I hope they will like having lots of room to grow and it will be nice not having the soil dry out so fast. I don't really think they were getting the water they wanted while under the light in those lil pots. They seem like they are doing ok, Yuna and Mary Jane have both started getting in 5 pointed leaves :) We decided to use the same mix of organic veg composte, perlite and vermiculite, but used a bit less of the p and v.
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chainseeker

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Cool I'm sub'd. Have you all thought about getting some cfl's just for the early stages. Pretty cheap and not very hot compared to the hps. I watched my little baby master kush start growing s lot better when I cut down on the hps power and added cfl's. Just a thought and not very expensive. They r looking a lot better now. Good luck with ur grow I'll be looking 4ward to seeing them grow up.
 

DevilishlyKatt

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Cool I'm sub'd. Have you all thought about getting some cfl's just for the early stages. Pretty cheap and not very hot compared to the hps. I watched my little baby master kush start growing s lot better when I cut down on the hps power and added cfl's. Just a thought and not very expensive. They r looking a lot better now. Good luck with ur grow I'll be looking 4ward to seeing them grow up.
I haven't, but we did have the light quite close to begin with so I think having it higher up is the key for now lol. It is something to consider for future grows, we will improve on things as we go. Thanks for the idea :)
 

jebus2029

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Chainseeker is correct. Starting off CFL's are great. HPS can easily be too hot for a seedling, but they look good so I think you have it under control. Good luck with everything. Can't wait to see how some of these turn out.
 

DevilishlyKatt

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Chainseeker is correct. Starting off CFL's are great. HPS can easily be too hot for a seedling, but they look good so I think you have it under control. Good luck with everything. Can't wait to see how some of these turn out.
Yeah, I think we'll just have to have a play and see. With the size of the grow space and having the doors open it really shouldn't be too hot, but obviously that wasn't the case when we had them much closer! It would be nice for simplicity's sake to keep it the one type of light socket, but it's hard to say what we will and won't do as we go, I just want to keep the wardrobe itself from getting too much going on inside/around
 

DevilishlyKatt

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Just a couple quick pics of the girls. They have taken to their new pots really well and seem to be really enjoying the light from them. Definitely a difference in the soil staying moist for them, I think the next round I will start them off in slightly larger pots.
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jebus2029

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I started my plants in large pots and they are doing fine. I haven't transplanted them once. It can be dificult when they are small though because water will just stay at the bottom of the pot until the roots grow down so you can't really go by weight.
 

DevilishlyKatt

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I started my plants in large pots and they are doing fine. I haven't transplanted them once. It can be dificult when they are small though because water will just stay at the bottom of the pot until the roots grow down so you can't really go by weight.
Yeah, that's why I'll probably go with something a bit bigger than what we started, but not as big as the ones they are in now.
 

monkeybones

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Yeah, that's why I'll probably go with something a bit bigger than what we started, but not as big as the ones they are in now.
They're already perking up :) Great job!

The girl that I put into a 1.5 gallon pot sooner than the others ended up being my biggest, healthiest looking girl. So there's some merit to be had for young plants in large pots! :) Just takes the right soil and timely waterings.

Yuna looks a little thirsty to me in that picture, but maybe that's just transplant stress?

Anyway, I am heavily medicated... but everything looks quite good from here.

cheers :peace:
 

DevilishlyKatt

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They're already perking up :) Great job!

The girl that I put into a 1.5 gallon pot sooner than the others ended up being my biggest, healthiest looking girl. So there's some merit to be had for young plants in large pots! :) Just takes the right soil and timely waterings.

Yuna looks a little thirsty to me in that picture, but maybe that's just transplant stress?

Anyway, I am heavily medicated... but everything looks quite good from here.

cheers :peace:
Yeah, it definitely seems easier to keep them happy in the big pots :) Yuna might be thirsty already, it felt slightly moist when I poked my finger in, but she has had her leaves all fanned out like the other two the past two days. She didn't show any signs of stress the day of or after the repotting so I'll give her a lil top up tonight.
 

jebus2029

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When you transplant you usually wait until the roots are pretty thick. By that point they are already all tangled and turning in on the root ball. By starting in the big pots they never go through that so the roots spread out perfectly.
 
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