Mother plant vs Clone of Clone and the Fibanachi Sequence

alwayslearning777

alwayslearning777

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Hello everyone,

I am debating on keeping some motherplants, but from what I have read, perpetual cloning of clones really seems the way to go, I have read posts from people stating they have been doing in for years ... my question I have about this is more just a theory but maybe someone can help shed some light .... how does perpetual cloning tie into the Fibanachi Sequence (sorry for the spelling errors) ... meaning that since most if not all plant life follows this sequence (0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13 ... ) taking a clone at 13 and rooting it would leave me with a plant from 13 to 21 and it would just continue, each clone only being a section of the previouse, and loosing its ability to form a solid base being that it is a branch of a branch of a branch and in turn once it gets to its point where the genetics no longer allow for the cells to split ( i think i read its around 144 or something for what ever it was i was reading about... bees i think (double quotation... some bees reproduce asexualy always resulting in female offspring basicly cloning themselfs by poping the wall of there uteris and contaminating it with there own dna... or something like that im high and recalling stuff i learned Yeeaaars ago )

This is just me thinking outloud in hopes someone sort of understands what i am talking about / getting at , i am not sure i am stating my question outloud as i am thinking it in my head but any thoughts ?
 
oldbikepunk

oldbikepunk

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alwayslearning777 said:
Hello everyone,

I am debating on keeping some motherplants, but from what I have read, perpetual cloning of clones really seems the way to go, I have read posts from people stating they have been doing in for years ... my question I have about this is more just a theory but maybe someone can help shed some light .... how does perpetual cloning tie into the Fibanachi Sequence (sorry for the spelling errors) ... meaning that since most if not all plant life follows this sequence (0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13 ... ) taking a clone at 13 and rooting it would leave me with a plant from 13 to 21 and it would just continue, each clone only being a section of the previouse, and loosing its ability to form a solid base being that it is a branch of a branch of a branch and in turn once it gets to its point where the genetics no longer allow for the cells to split ( i think i read its around 144 or something for what ever it was i was reading about... bees i think (double quotation... some bees reproduce asexualy always resulting in female offspring basicly cloning themselfs by poping the wall of there uteris and contaminating it with there own dna... or something like that im high and recalling stuff i learned Yeeaaars ago )

This is just me thinking outloud in hopes someone sort of understands what i am talking about / getting at , i am not sure i am stating my question outloud as i am thinking it in my head but any thoughts ?
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You'll shortly get answers I am sure about 20 and maybe 30 year clones. Genetic decline is not being found out in cannabis cloning. Clones get selected for use because a one-off plant was found and it can't be exactly perpetuated by seed-making. Anyhow, go ahead and clone what you want. You won't see a decline or a weakness in your lifetime, I'm sure.
 
alwayslearning777

alwayslearning777

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Appreciate the responce, and forsure thats how im going to go about it that way i stay in my limit but still get to flower more, im just thinking to deep into the subject and was curiouse how the two relate or if they do .. allthough im sure the do ... neway ya thanks again
 
alwayslearning777

alwayslearning777

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Honestly ill probably rock what i got out for a year or so but i love getting new genetics so much i dont see myself hanging on to anything for an insane amount of time, allthough i know in the past ive had some keepers that i still to this day have not been able to get back and wish i had ... buut there are a million more out there i wana try
 
Dankfactory

Dankfactory

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I live a stones throw from the San Fernando Valley. Ive been hoarding elite cuts from my locale for years. Ive had the same SFV OG cut since I was in high school in '99, as well as 5 other OG clone onlys. Alot of these were around long before I had them and the end product and vigor has held constant without the slightest change. Personally, not even slightly a believer in so called "degredation," and Im of the persuasion that it is absolutely pointless to keep dedicated mothers. Perp cloning is indeed the way to go.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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its a cutting not a clone.

ive personally seen changes, your genetics are ever changing afterall.
i had to get rid of my master kush i loved so dearly as each clone was starting to differ in smell
 
alwayslearning777

alwayslearning777

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Really ? Well now you have got my attention, i thought everyone would be on the side of continualy cuttngs... how long did it take to start the change in smell?

Im sure ill get more seeds before this happens to me,but stillcuriouse

Ihave also started to use some colidal silver to self the plant so ive gotta seed form as backup
 
RORSN

RORSN

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Please locate info on GoodyBreeder. He has a mother plant, I think she is called "Gooey", that has just turned 30. When my seed bank gets some of seed from her crossed , I will buy.
Also when a breeder find a Queen female or a Stud male, they keep them in plant form and take cutting to make crossed. Example:Breeder Bodhi with his SnowLotus, 88G13/HP, and Appalachia stock.

Just a newbie's comment,

As *mistress* says "enjoy your garden"

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RSN
 
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budleydoright

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Nless you have seen the plant grown from seed stock, you have no clue whether there has been generational degradation or not.
In my experience, a plant grown from seed is much more robust and has much more vigor than one from a cutting and the first generation of cuttings has more of these traits than the next.

I do believe it levels off but there is a BIG difference inmho.

Try to keep a mother from seed for as long as possible, properly trimmed she can give dozens of cuts every few weeks and will stay manageable for up to a year.
 
Cornfed Dread

Cornfed Dread

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qwizoking said:
its a cutting not a clone.

ive personally seen changes, your genetics are ever changing afterall.
i had to get rid of my master kush i loved so dearly as each clone was starting to differ in smell
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Yes I too have seen this. My pre 98 Bubba kush clone lost it's smell completely. Was nuts . Had to toss her. Have had otger strains change dramatically as well. Sometimes in the case of my Blueberry sativa and candy diesel they actually improved on some shortcomings. As qking said they are ever changing. Environment has great deal to do with it as well as maturity and health of plant cutting s are taken from. These can severely change the further generation s of clones.bless
 
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CC Dobbs

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alwayslearning777 said:
Hello everyone,

I am debating on keeping some motherplants, but from what I have read, perpetual cloning of clones really seems the way to go, I have read posts from people stating they have been doing in for years ... my question I have about this is more just a theory but maybe someone can help shed some light .... how does perpetual cloning tie into the Fibanachi Sequence (sorry for the spelling errors) ... meaning that since most if not all plant life follows this sequence (0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13 ... ) taking a clone at 13 and rooting it would leave me with a plant from 13 to 21 and it would just continue, each clone only being a section of the previouse, and loosing its ability to form a solid base being that it is a branch of a branch of a branch and in turn once it gets to its point where the genetics no longer allow for the cells to split ( i think i read its around 144 or something for what ever it was i was reading about... bees i think (double quotation... some bees reproduce asexualy always resulting in female offspring basicly cloning themselfs by poping the wall of there uteris and contaminating it with there own dna... or something like that im high and recalling stuff i learned Yeeaaars ago )

This is just me thinking outloud in hopes someone sort of understands what i am talking about / getting at , i am not sure i am stating my question outloud as i am thinking it in my head but any thoughts ?
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I am not sure what the fuck you are talking about or how you are trying to link Fibonacci's sequence to anything to do with cloning.
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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All six of my moms are from seedlings started and FIMM'd under a 1kw hps, 12/12. I started this one with seeds that I collected by stopping in all the dope dealers on a trip across Canada. From that huge handful of Canadian seeds I got eight distinct strains, two of which were not worth keeping.

The ideal seed as far as I'm concerned would be from a certain plant that grows in Columbia. Colombian Gold is a smoke no one ever gets tired of.

One mom is more than I need personally. I have taken clones off clones to get enough plants but I prefer my flowering plants to go without topping or FIMM'ing

"Cloning" is a slang and not an accurate term for what is being done here.
 
Whodatt

Whodatt

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I have been cloning the same strain since 1992. It has lost some vigor, but I believe past mite infestations have accounted for some loss of vigor.
 
calyxhunter

calyxhunter

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qwizoking said:
its a cutting not a clone.

ive personally seen changes, your genetics are ever changing afterall.
i had to get rid of my master kush i loved so dearly as each clone was starting to differ in smell
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Thats right on .. from my perspective i have noticed this also., I feel get better expressions if clone a few samples and grow in different soil medium types and will see moderately different physical growth. From same strain.- also different iron content and macro -micro nutes in the right ammount in the early stages of plant growth seems like it makes a difference - used a empty bag of dog food bag(beneful naturals) as a small pot before and i shit you not i it was the most vigorious and green planting ever i think because of added vitamins . Sorry for getting off track . Just like to write my findings
 
jarvild

jarvild

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nl5xsk1 said:
Hey jarvild, what size room and light in your photo above (the five year photo) ?
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4'x4'x7' , 600 watt Hortilux HPS, 9 lt. pots, Cyco coir, Cyco nutes' ( just the base nutes'). Strain is Dr. Greenthumbs G-13, 25 days veg, 65 days flower. Never saw over 500 ppm. 12 plants yielded me 20 O's.
 
jarvild

jarvild

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Not saying I haven't noticed some drift. Mainly in the veg phase so I just veg them an extra 3 days.
 
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