Most Efficient Commercial Grow Methods
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SCCA
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Marijuananation, i agree with almost everything you say, except Canadian genetics being better than California genetics. There are lots of breeders that produce amazing strains here, many of them do not receive international acclaim like your BC guys do, but the quality is just as good. and if you find REAL orange bud it is a great strain, just lots of fake crap floating around the cali gene pool. if you are gonna breed with cali genes acquire your plants from a reputable source.
As to the op, its mostly what is easiest for you, soil grows can be hooked up to automated (never automatic! IMO) watering systems. but they also require you to keep large amounts of soil on hand. hydro requires reservoirs and a larger startup cost. when it comes down to it, i think is more about the logistics of keeping such a large setup running smoothly. you can produce quality and quantity no matter what your set up, as long as you know all you can about it.
As to the op, its mostly what is easiest for you, soil grows can be hooked up to automated (never automatic! IMO) watering systems. but they also require you to keep large amounts of soil on hand. hydro requires reservoirs and a larger startup cost. when it comes down to it, i think is more about the logistics of keeping such a large setup running smoothly. you can produce quality and quantity no matter what your set up, as long as you know all you can about it.
lowerarchy
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Back in the day, this thread was about something. Let it continue to be so, Cali vs BC pissing match be damned.
What about that oldschool method of commercial indoor, having a bunch of equipment all the same (same ballasts, lights, pots, fans, etc...) and learning how to use it really well? Keep some moms/clones in one location, run multiple other locations as needed, have it set up for a good work/reward ratio, and go all the way to town. Doesn't matter what kind of method you're using as long as you learn how to use it the best you can. I thought that's how this shit was done: get your condo triplex, "renovate" it while growing the fuck out of the location for six months, move on, nobody the wiser, and never ignore the fact that the law and the rippers could be at your door any minute.
Just saying: most places cultivation is illegal, I think there's a lot to be said for the grower that crops out year after year with .5g/w and minimal equipment, genetics, or even knowledge, just as long as they stay out of jail and off the radar, all the while working the crew of trimmers, maintaining a normal profile and leaving a trail of hardcore in their wake. I'd take that to be efficiency over 3g/w in a "perfect room" that took 160 hours to set up and $15,000 any day.
Edit: Just read what I wrote, unclear even to me, so I'll just say: work vs reward ratio trumps every method. Run or business or have a hobby I don't care, it's all the same to me, just as long as I can get X pounds for Y man hours (I may even try to figure those values someday) it's efficient.
What about that oldschool method of commercial indoor, having a bunch of equipment all the same (same ballasts, lights, pots, fans, etc...) and learning how to use it really well? Keep some moms/clones in one location, run multiple other locations as needed, have it set up for a good work/reward ratio, and go all the way to town. Doesn't matter what kind of method you're using as long as you learn how to use it the best you can. I thought that's how this shit was done: get your condo triplex, "renovate" it while growing the fuck out of the location for six months, move on, nobody the wiser, and never ignore the fact that the law and the rippers could be at your door any minute.
Just saying: most places cultivation is illegal, I think there's a lot to be said for the grower that crops out year after year with .5g/w and minimal equipment, genetics, or even knowledge, just as long as they stay out of jail and off the radar, all the while working the crew of trimmers, maintaining a normal profile and leaving a trail of hardcore in their wake. I'd take that to be efficiency over 3g/w in a "perfect room" that took 160 hours to set up and $15,000 any day.
Edit: Just read what I wrote, unclear even to me, so I'll just say: work vs reward ratio trumps every method. Run or business or have a hobby I don't care, it's all the same to me, just as long as I can get X pounds for Y man hours (I may even try to figure those values someday) it's efficient.
marijuananation
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what are you talking about??
this thread is only 3 days old..
back in the day???
are you feeling alright buddy??
3 grams per watt.. really !!!
I agree with you on the pissing match between BC and Cali..
we both grow some killer bud and we both have som excellent genetics floating around our countries..
Peace and Happy Growing !!
BiteSizeFreak
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I glanced over your journals late last night and will be digging through them again. Thanks for the info!
BiteSizeFreak
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Great point. That's exactly what got me to start this thread is trying to find that balance. I work full-time and I don't plan on changing that anytime soon so I really want to make the time I am working on growing count for the most it can.
lowerarchy
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Yeah, 3g/w, Heath Robinson grow. On a 600 as I remember but frankly I don't remember so good. Anyways, good posts in this thread man, keep posting crazy BC ops.
marijuananation
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whatever is best for you and your needs my friend..
For more crops a year smaller plants are better. little to no veg time between clones perpetual harvests.
But for bigger plants you could (not saying you will) yield more, this method has a much longer veg time.
I hope this helps, (sorry about the B.S).
Peace And Happy Growing !!
For more crops a year smaller plants are better. little to no veg time between clones perpetual harvests.
But for bigger plants you could (not saying you will) yield more, this method has a much longer veg time.
I hope this helps, (sorry about the B.S).
Peace And Happy Growing !!
teddiekgb123
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Your question is explained in this thread. A lot of smaller plants grown in a sea of green is better than a few big plants. Unless you are growing legally and numbers count. With this method you have a short veg time if any depending on the strain and better quality smoke since all the buds are cola's. Because the plants are small, not true with many strains, they tend to have higher thc than if you grow them really big.
teddiekgb123
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.....and if you are growing legally and want to maximize on your numbers, then I would consider doing a scrog. two plants can fill up a 3 x 4 area with only 2-3 weeks veg, plus stretch, and yield at least a lb. if ya put a 1000w above it. Do that to every two plants.
grow space
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Listen to marijuananation, that dude knows hes shit! Respect mann...
Canibitual
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Really? I want to see you grow 100lbs with a single 10w Florecent Light... since Lumens doesn't have anything to do with it, you must be able to do that right?...HAHAHA,
I spend 10minutes a day... 1lb a month... ? alot of work?...really?
and showing how you got 4K a lb for outdoor crap, and a big truck, doesn't help with showing rep... in Cali no one in their right mind pays 4K for outdoor...
collective gardener
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This is one of the most combative threads I have ever read. C'mon guys.
purrrrple
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Look, large numbers of small plants in a SOG setup is by far proven to be the most effective and efficient method. Produce the largest yields in the shortest amount of time & the highest quality product while your at it. Think about it, no veg time, one NICE cola on each plant, and every inch of canopy covered with dense nice fruits because they are packed so close together. I'm talking 64+ on each 4x4 tray.
buddwasher
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gr8 thread + rep to how ever started it
marijuananation caught my eye wow what an outdoor grow
i was sorry to someone rip him down about lummins - i lost interest in the thread and wanted to slate the guy who did the slateing
lummins are a measurement for visable light to the human eye - gr8 for selling interior lighting - not so for plants
u all herd of Photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) - this is what a plant can see - a plant cannot use all these lummins that certain lights say are available, so anyone basing there grow on lummins available has been hoodwinked by a slick salesman
just annoyed me that someone who is obviously at the top of his game seemed to be getting dis'd
plus am out of smoke so i am pissed off
so sue me
marijuananation caught my eye wow what an outdoor grow
i was sorry to someone rip him down about lummins - i lost interest in the thread and wanted to slate the guy who did the slateing
lummins are a measurement for visable light to the human eye - gr8 for selling interior lighting - not so for plants
u all herd of Photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) - this is what a plant can see - a plant cannot use all these lummins that certain lights say are available, so anyone basing there grow on lummins available has been hoodwinked by a slick salesman
just annoyed me that someone who is obviously at the top of his game seemed to be getting dis'd
plus am out of smoke so i am pissed off
so sue me 
frogster
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Yep,,, verticle , sog grow, stadium style... Heath Robinson... havnt seen any thing close to yield per watt&sq ft... I believe that was without co2! But Lumen do matter,,, just need the right spectrum,,, 100,000 lumen doesnt mean anything if its the complete wrong spectrum, its a combo that counts... A hortilux blue 80,000 lumen bulb will outperform a 140,000 lumen bulb that doesnt have a great spectrum (par) Thats why the 400watt CMH, plasma etc lights are so good... great spectrum... So, everyone is kinda right, and everyone is kinda wrong.... Lumen and par combined are very important... Marijuananation posted a truck that was taken away,,and the fact you can trade a kilo of mmj for a kilo of blow is ignorant in several ways, 1. you cant 2. why would you, cocaine is a horrible drug, imo 3. we are all trying to get mmj fully legalized on a federal level, and comments like that are just not helping the cause. , no idea why that was posted...? Also keep your "PRIDE" to a minimum,ie. look at my baddass truck that I once had,,,really, get a life buddy... No reason to come on here posting crap like that..It didnt impress anyone here , im sure, if anything I think less of you for being so foolish, keep it to cultivating fine MMJ and you will gain my respect...