More good news for Bush, Iraqs success!

medicineman

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Hello george, are you listening:
The Latest Bad News from Baghdad: Is Success Not Possible?

Reuters reports today:
Gunmen in Iraqi police uniforms rounded up as many as 100 men at a government building in central Baghdad on Tuesday, in what may be the biggest mass kidnap seen in a city becoming used to such violence.
It bore the hallmarks of sectarian militias operating under cover of the security forces, although senior officials and witnesses differed over how far minority Sunnis were the target.
Other reports place the number of the abuducted up to 150. NPR reports that the nation's education minister has shut down colleges and universities, explaining that there is not enough security for the schools to function. It was unclear if this suspension was temporary or longer. But there seems to be the possibility that higher education in Iraq has been killed. The New York Times reports:
A few hours after the incident, a spokesman for the interior ministry went on national television to report that arrest warrants had been issued for five senior police commanders with responsibilities in the area.
Flashback to yesterday, when President Bush was asked by a reporter about his morning meeting with former Secretary of State James Baker and members of Baker's Iraq Study Group, which will soon be releasing a report on possible alternative strategies for the United States in Iraq. Bush said:
And so we had a really good discussion. I'm not sure what the report is going to say. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I believe this: I believe that it's important for us to succeed in Iraq, not only for our security, but for the security of the Middle East, and that I'm looking forward to interesting ideas. In the meantime, General Pete Pace is leading investigations within the Pentagon as to how to reach our goal, which is success, a government which can sustain, govern, and defend itself, and will serve as an ally in this war on terror.
But as today's horrific event shows, success may not be possible. Right now the Bush administration is supporting a Shia-dominated government in Iraq that cannot control Shia death squads. The United States has helped trained a police force that is infiltrated by various militias and riddled with officers loyal to their tribes and sects and not the government. (And police trainees are regularly targeted by insurgents. Three dozen police recruits were killed by two suicide bombings on Sunday.) The United States has trained hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops unable and/or unwilling to fight. A month ago, the interior minister was forced to suspend an entire police brigade of 800 or so officers because it was linked to death squad activity. Was this progress (we're rooting out the bad apples) or another sign of failure (we've trained and equipped murderers)?
There is an ugly possibility the Baker commission has to confront: Iraq may be lost already--at least in the sense that the US government may not be able to stop the sectarian violence that is now the number-one problem (as opposed to violence orchestrated by anti-American jihadists). If that is the case, what recommendation could Baker come up with? More important, could Bush contend with--let alone acknowledge--such a reality?
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ViRedd

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"NPR reports that the nation's education minister has shut down colleges and universities, explaining that there is not enough security for the schools to function."

Do they mean to say that the colleges have been functioning in Iraq? Why the next thing you know, the NY Times will be reporting that businesses are functioning, little kids are going to school, the electricity is on and that the majority of Iraqi citizens want us to stay. Why, its getting so you can't believe a damn word the NY Times prints anymore.

Vi

By the way ... nice post from "bush-lies" dot-com.
 

Wavels

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Wowee, David Corn posted the above piece to "Bush lies"...hahahaha
this is priceless, because this is the same David Corn who fabricated details of Plamegate....he simply made stuff up...and he posts on "Bush lies"...heheheh.
Choice!

Here is an interesting observation from Dennis Prager.....


We have not won the war in Iraq because of something completely unforeseeable: widespread massacres of Iraqi civilians by other Iraqis and Muslims. We have never seen mass murder of fellow citizens in order to remove an outside occupier. No Japanese blew up Japanese temples in order to rid Japan of the American occupier. No Germans mass murdered German schoolchildren and teachers to rid Germany of the American, British, French and Soviet occupiers.
The level of cruelty and evil exhibited by those America is fighting in Iraq is new. Had Iraq followed any precedent in all the annals of resistance to occupation, America would likely have been victorious in Iraq. It may just be impossible, if one is morally bound not to kill large numbers of civilians, to fight those who target their own civilians and hide among them. But George W. Bush had no way to foresee such systematic cruelty.
excerpted
Townhall.com::The smugness of the war's opponents::By Dennis Prager
 

medicineman

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Wowee, David Corn posted the above piece to "Bush lies"...hahahaha
this is priceless, because this is the same David Corn who fabricated details of Plamegate....he simply made stuff up...and he posts on "Bush lies"...heheheh.
Choice!

Here is an interesting observation from Dennis Prager.....


We have not won the war in Iraq because of something completely unforeseeable: widespread massacres of Iraqi civilians by other Iraqis and Muslims. We have never seen mass murder of fellow citizens in order to remove an outside occupier. No Japanese blew up Japanese temples in order to rid Japan of the American occupier. No Germans mass murdered German schoolchildren and teachers to rid Germany of the American, British, French and Soviet occupiers.
The level of cruelty and evil exhibited by those America is fighting in Iraq is new. Had Iraq followed any precedent in all the annals of resistance to occupation, America would likely have been victorious in Iraq. It may just be impossible, if one is morally bound not to kill large numbers of civilians, to fight those who target their own civilians and hide among them. But George W. Bush had no way to foresee such systematic cruelty.
excerpted
Townhall.com::The smugness of the war's opponents::By Dennis Prager
So to quote your bussom buddy, ViRedd, Whats the solution. We've stirred up the hornets because The Bush regime had no clue about the Sunni and Shia rivalry, "Ignorance is Bliss", what should we (USA) do now as there is no military solution outside of carpet bombing the whole country. Before you start a Preemtive war, don't you think you should study the Country you are going to destroy?
 

Wavels

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Well, that’s a very fair question med;
it seems to me that there are two options.....redeploy, cut and run or give-up.
Or what I think will be more effective.....the novel concept of killing all of the bad guys we can...we need to dispense with the anchor of political correctness....the best way to prevail is to get serious about killing ALL of our self avowed enemies....we should at least give it a shot before running away!!!
 

medicineman

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Well, that’s a very fair question med;
it seems to me that there are two options.....redeploy, cut and run or give-up.
Or what I think will be more effective.....the novel concept of killing all of the bad guys we can...we need to dispense with the anchor of political correctness....the best way to prevail is to get serious about killing ALL of our self avowed enemies....we should at least give it a shot before running away!!!
I think that would involve killing most iraqi men between 14 and 40. Are you up for that? Just leave the women and children and old farts there to Hate America for life. There is no solution except to leave. Sorry, It was a bad war that cost 100,000+++ lives, but to continue is more insanity. To waste one more American life, let alone all the Iraqis that will be killed on our be-half is Crazy! Just pony up and admit it was a bad Idea to invade, and then get the hell out. Yeah there will be sectarian violence that we have unleashed, pin that on Bush also, but we can't solve all the worlds problems, and the sooner we learn that, the better off we'll be!
 

Dankdude

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I said it before, unless we are willing to use nukes there is no winning. Either way we are fucked.
 

medicineman

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I said it before, unless we are willing to use nukes there is no winning. Either way we are fucked.
Thats pretty much the scene, so isn't it better to leave sooner than later? Every less death attributable to the USA is a positive, In our world and the Muslim world. An apology from the Bush regime would probably calm down most of the Muslims, I realize the radical extremes are beyond help, but since it will be a generational thing, isn't it time to get started?
 

ViRedd

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Oh yes ... there's the answer right there! Let's start apologizing for the cruise ship from which muslim radicals threw the american in the wheelchair into the sea. Then, we can apologize for the Beruit bombing and our dead Marines. After that, let's say were sorry for the U.S Cole bombing. Then we'll move on to the first Trade Center bombing. Oh, we don't want to miss our apologies for 9-11 either. And finally, let's just kiss their asses and they will go away!

Vi
 

medicineman

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Oh yes ... there's the answer right there! Let's start apologizing for the cruise ship from which muslim radicals threw the american in the wheelchair into the sea. Then, we can apologize for the Beruit bombing and our dead Marines. After that, let's say were sorry for the U.S Cole bombing. Then we'll move on to the first Trade Center bombing. Oh, we don't want to miss our apologies for 9-11 either. And finally, let's just kiss their asses and they will go away!

Vi
I'm sure it's beyond your comprehension, being a Christian and all, but we must start somewhere to try and get along with these people. The muslim religion is the largest in the world. Let's just say shit happens when your foriegn policy includes invading foriegn lands and starting pre-emptive wars. Unless you're totally blind, you must see we've killed at least 100-1 muslims for every American killed in all the above mentioned atrocities. When is it enough? I'm sticking to my postulate that if we leave Iraq, the anger will subside. That doesn't mean we should not be vigilant, but the crux of the thing is they want us out of muslim lands. We'll never turn them into a Jeffersonian Democracy, no matter what we do!
 

ViRedd

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First of all Med ... there is no such thing as a "Jeffersonian Democracy." If there is, please define it. You might start by finding just ONE instance where the term "democracy" was mentioned in our founding documents. Thanks.

"I'm sure it's beyond your comprehension, being a Christian and all, but we must start somewhere to try and get along with these people."

There are over a billion Muslims on this planet, most of whom, do not read slaughter into their Holy Book. Those who do, want YOU dead. They want your wife and kids dead too. They want all of your neighbors dead and all of your business associates dead. Iraq has nothing to do with that ... these people are religious fanatics to the Nth degree. Understand it ... THEY WANT YOU DEAD!

Vi
 

medicineman

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First of all Med ... there is no such thing as a "Jeffersonian Democracy." If there is, please define it. You might start by finding just ONE instance where the term "democracy" was mentioned in our founding documents. Thanks.

"I'm sure it's beyond your comprehension, being a Christian and all, but we must start somewhere to try and get along with these people."

There are over a billion Muslims on this planet, most of whom, do not read slaughter into their Holy Book. Those who do, want YOU dead. They want your wife and kids dead too. They want all of your neighbors dead and all of your business associates dead. Iraq has nothing to do with that ... these people are religious fanatics to the Nth degree. Understand it ... THEY WANT YOU DEAD!

Vi
Fuck them! If enough of them come here to cause a ruckus, Guys like you and I will take care of them. I've had military combat training, I know better than to stick my head up carelessly, and I have weapons! Shit is gonna happen. They're gonna blow some shit up, It's inevitable! Just hope you or yours is not involved and we'll get the bastards. If someone is driven to commit suicide and love it, how are you gonna stop them. They have a different view on life. Terrorism defined is to instill terror in your adversary, I think if we are scared then they are winning. The Bushies instilled fear in us, for them, to further their war agenda. Hey I'm not afraid of the bastards, I'm more afraid of our own government!
 

ViRedd

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Med ...

You are making my point: If you are afraid of your government, why are you in favor of handing them more power through the welfare state? I fear my government also. I don't trust them and I want to reduce their power and influence over our lives.

As for the terrorists ... I think you are exactly right, terrorism in our cities is right around the corner. The borders are wide open, not enough shipping containers are checked and there are radical Islamic cells already formed here in the country. I believe that when the suicide bombs start going off in shopping malls, Americans will finally wake up to the danger and demand that their government shut the borders and shut their mouths about gun control.

Vi
 

medicineman

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Vi says:As for the terrorists ... I think you are exactly right, terrorism in our cities is right around the corner. The borders are wide open, not enough shipping containers are checked and there are radical Islamic cells already formed here in the country. I believe that when the suicide bombs start going off in shopping malls, Americans will finally wake up to the danger and demand that their government shut the borders and shut their mouths about gun control.
Well finally a ray of hope, I guess you get it about the borders and gun control, Amazing!
 

ViRedd

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Well finally a ray of hope, I guess you get it about the borders and gun control, Amazing!
What's so fucking amazing, genius? I've been on here for months now, saying that the legitimate function of government is to protect the rights of the citizens. I guess in your zeal to establish Utopia, you've kinda missed that part of my message. Sheesh!

Vi
 

medicineman

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What's so fucking amazing, genius? I've been on here for months now, saying that the legitimate function of government is to protect the rights of the citizens. I guess in your zeal to establish Utopia, you've kinda missed that part of my message. Sheesh!

Vi
It's just that you don't get the responsibility of the society to take care of certain rights of humanity by taxing the wealthiest percentage whom can well afford it, no you won't find it in the constitution, nor will you find outsourcing jobs or shell accounts, or tax shelters. If the tax situation was fair and the idiots would quit making wars, we could have a society where you wouldn't feel afraid to go out after dark! And probably leave you rich bastards plenty. So get with the program!
 

ViRedd

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"If the tax situation was fair and the idiots would quit making wars, we could have a society where you wouldn't feel afraid to go out after dark!"

I'm not afraid to go out after dark now, Med. In fact, I feel perfectly safe. In your delusions, do you imagine that increasing the tax rate on "The Rich" will somehow turn the dark into light, the night into day and America into Utopia?

Vi
 

medicineman

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"If the tax situation was fair and the idiots would quit making wars, we could have a society where you wouldn't feel afraid to go out after dark!"

I'm not afraid to go out after dark now, Med. In fact, I feel perfectly safe. In your delusions, do you imagine that increasing the tax rate on "The Rich" will somehow turn the dark into light, the night into day and America into Utopia?

Vi
So how stoned are you? Go down to watts and walk around, go down town in any big city and walk around. Of course you can walk around in your gated community, Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisades, where ever you rich bastards hang, but not for long I'm afraid! Dark days are ahead. You'd better keep the ol pistola handy. I think the natives are gettin restless!
 

Resinman

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wavels says,,,,

"We have not won the war in Iraq because of something completely unforeseeable"

no disrespect ,,,but that is total Bullshit wavels,,,

its starting to sound like a sociapathic convention of republican dribble

The war is a failure is because George junior is a phuckup


resinman


 

Resinman

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we put the shites in power,,,they hate jews and israel

they will join with iran,,,and wipe israel off the map

thanks to george bush

resinman
 
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