Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

How dare you rescue this retarded thread? Just kidding. You are free to add these fear based, whatifs.

But, still. No litigated harm for Monsanto re: thread title.
Farm Bill passed handily, despite the weak opposition and smear of mis-labeling the Farm Bill para 7xx, (re:thread title) that you did not read, but I did.

But, let me ask you this, if I may? Are you for an injunction of this year's USA spring planting season? Yes or no? tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme

See, that is what this thread is about. And I can show you how it all began with a dirty hippy, Mother Earth, trick on the American Farmer. For $$. Dirty....dirt..get it?

Monsanto Co. v. Geertson Seed Farms
Case Date:
11/23/2009


On June 21, 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit that upheld a blanket, nationwide injunction against the future marketing, distribution, and planting of a genetically modified crop. In reversing the appeals court, the Supreme Court reaffirmed its previous holding that an injunction is a drastic remedy that does not automatically issue against proposed federal activity, even where a federal agency has not adequately completed an environmental impact review required by federal environmental law. The decision was a victory for WLF, which filed a brief in the case arguing that, even when a NEPA violation has been established, important constraints of equity require that an injunction be denied unless the plaintiff demonstrates that he will suffer irreparable harm in the absence of an injunction.
http://www.wlf.org/litigating/case_detail.asp?id=600

I don't endorse this site,s opinions. This little sneeky end run, flank block,put in Farm Bill was roundly upheld, to protect the food supply of a large part of the planet. Yeah. The anti-staving food we give away. Yeah, and the American Farmer that needs the yield. You don't know enough about this.

So the thread is dead. It was all a trick for power.

My friend, all this is nothing. CO? Don't go there. Although I will to a motor tour for the Real Deal,l this summer. It is all good. I remember when you could even hitchhike there. But, i If they taxed hitchhiking it has to be protected. Any way.

And I can grow in bathtub. I can make gin, beer and mead, in a bath tub. Don't worry.

Uh?!?Hey man please stop eating GMO food: It causes CANCER !and yes: also brain cancerSo stop eating that sh*t now, maybe you're still in time

Fear based?I prefer "fear based" comments instead of "salary based" ones And no, your employer is not the only GMO-stuff company. It's only one of the most dangerous.Btw monsanto or another corp., it doesnt matter. we have to focus on THE problem of the people's health: CANCERand since GMO food is a major cause for today cancer cases, it's a good thing to avoid gmo stuff.There's also the 'copyright problem': people got their cultivations contaminated by firms like monsanto and others and then these firms sued the farmer for 'copyright infringment' so that they can steal the farmer property (house etc) So please INFORM YOURSELF!monsanto and thelike are criminals.it's in your best interests, as a citizen and as a consumer, to FIGHT THEM!

camillo said:

Uh?!?Hey man please stop eating GMO food: It causes CANCER !and yes: also brain cancerSo stop eating that sh*t now, maybe you're still in time

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prove it, or it is only fear based

See. If you are against genetic research, you are against renewable energy also.

The keys to the kingdom are in these bacterial codes. I am alive because of re-combinate DNA techniques.
http://www.gizmag.com/bacterial-spore-humidity-powered-electrical-generator/30625/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ef8d94f100-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-ef8d94f100-91265109

Although the prototype only captures a small percentage of the energy released by evaporation, Sahin says efficiency could be improved by genetically engineering the spores to be stiffer and more elastic. In fact, in early experiments a mutant strain provided by Driks has already been shown to store twice as much energy as normal strains. The researchers believe the technology will one day make it possible to have electrical generators driven by changes in humidity from sun-warmed ponds and harbors.

The works of man fail - all of them, when those works are a dam or a bridge, a few are injured, when they are an oil spill or a well blowout, more are. When they are a nuclear facility, the damage is extensive and long lasting. When they are chemicals spread across the planet, people get sick, perhaps lots of them. But now, for some reason, tampering deeply with the blueprint of life and then setting this tampering lose in the wild is perfectly dependable, and THIS time, THIS situation, well what could go wrong? It's only the food we eat three or four times a day every day.

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The works of man fail - all of them, when those works are a dam or a bridge, a few are injured, when they are an oil spill or a well blowout, more are. When they are a nuclear facility, the damage is extensive and long lasting. When they are chemicals spread across the planet, people get sick, perhaps lots of them. But now, for some reason, tampering deeply with the blueprint of life and then setting this tampering lose in the wild is perfectly dependable, and THIS time, THIS situation, well what could go wrong? It's only the food we eat three or four times a day every day.

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And the works of nature, never fail? Gee, I wish ask the fossil record about that.

It is a crock. We are nature. We unlock the code.

And if you think there is some kind of blueprint, you are seriously out of your depth on the subject.

Nature is modded my virus, mostly. And it is constant.

How can you possibly think there is a blueprint?

Doer said:

And the works of nature's discoveries, never fail?

It is a crock. We are nature. We unlock the code.

And if you think there is some kind of blueprint, you are seriously out of your depth on the subject.

Nature is modded my virus, mostly. And it is constant.

How can you possibly think there is a blueprint?

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I was waxing poetic.


We do not yet know the extent of the damage of GMO products. As I have said, I am all for genetic modification for a variety of purposes. Who could NOT (well, many are) be against a goat modified to produce human insulin in it's milk? Or novel antibiotics in modified yeast. But we are not capable as yet of being able to forsee the effects of our products loosed upon the world.

Now, forget that just for a moment. Other nations, consumer nations, nations we do business with are more and more refusing our crops - they may be wrong in doing so, but it is their right to eat and purchase what they wish while we are producing surpluses that they refuse to buy. Or should we simply force them to purchase those products?

Well, show some harm. That is the rule. If you continue to cry wolf for nothing, you might get the wolf police of the next generation to go all Luddite and shut it all down for a generation or so.

You cannot show harm, so you must be blocked. I don't see it as personal, because it is political and not scientific.

You see here is what you (in the agregate) have done already. This fellow here is ready to lambaste me, because he fervently believes GMO causes cancer.

Now, just look back into history and see what fear and religion (evil Saganism, in this case) can do to THIS society.

No ganja for 80 years now. You are playing with fire to lie about this stuff. So, it must be blocked by all right thinking people and it is.

The 2013 Farm Bill was a gut shot to the evil Saganist. We will fight. You (r side) can only make it worse in self rule.

You can tip scales from science to stupidity. Look at all the minion of the Saganist horror already. Slap stupid but ready to be violent. I was and have been right outside Monsanto's gate.

It you cannot show the harm of "wrong thinking" you must form a religion of emotion and attempt a coup of emotion tampering.

I've studied it, OK? Saganism was a cult without a name until ole doer began calling them out.

No harm can be shown, except it has become a home for Saganists. That is harm.

Doer said:

Well, show some harm. That is the rule. If you continue to cry wolf for nothing, you might get the wolf police of the next generation to go all Luddite and shut it all down for a generation or so.

You cannot show harm, so you must be blocked. I don't see it as personal, because it is political and not scientific.

You see here is what you (in the agregate) have done already. This fellow here is ready to lambaste me, because he fervently believes GMO causes cancer.

Now, just look back into history and see what fear and religion (evil Saganism, in this case) can do to THIS society.

No ganja for 80 years now. You are playing with fire to lie about this stuff. So, it must be blocked by all right thinking people and it is.

The 2013 Farm Bill was a gut shot to the evil Saganist. We will fight. You (r side) can only make it worse in self rule.

You can tip scales from science to stupidity. Look at all the minion of the Saganist horror already. Slap stupid but ready to be violent. I was and have been right outside Monsanto's gate.

It you cannot show the harm of "wrong thinking" you must form a religion of emotion and attempt a coup of emotion tampering.

I've studied it, OK? Saganism was a cult without a name until ole doer began calling them out.

No harm can be shown, except it has become a home for Saganists. That is harm.

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No harm was shown before three mile island, Chernobyl or Fukashima. Concern was raised by those "saganists", yet total global premature deaths from these incidents may reach a million or more.

Large tracts of land have been rendered unuseable for generations.

One does not experiment with long term, widespread alterations in food supplies and natural environments and then, ask for harm to be demonstrated.

Benzene was once used as aftershave - harm was demonstrated only after the fact. No harm was shown from radium illuminated watches until after they were manufactured and sold. No harm was shown from heroin laced patent medicines until after the experience of addiction.

No harm in lead paint, no harm in asbestos, each resulting in death and hazardous conditions. It is not for us to show harm, it is for you to show safety.

90 day studies on rats is not a demonstration of long term safety.

Yet you are perfectly willing to run the world on nukes....or...are you?

Long term safety? NOTHING is tested for long term safety. We do that.

So, more poetry?

You have to show harm. And let me remind you, nuke harm is not only theoretically predicted, it actually killed scientists. Officially that began with the Curie family, and is happening now in Japan.

So, being wrong again, is poetry?

Doer said:

Yet you are perfectly willing to run the world on nukes....or...are you?

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Run the world? no, there are abiding problems, but nuclear facilities can be contained, failures can be predicted and even catestrophic ones are not national or global in nature. Failures are still singular and do not perpetuate themselves. This cannot be said for any failure in geneticly altered plants or many animals.

We saw the effects of a single, (non engineered but still altered) organism, killer bees that spread from country to country and state to state, edging out docile varieties and causing death and trauma. This can be dealt with but it demonstrates the danger of such manipulations and our inability to control the mistakes we unleash into the wild.

So, Chernobyl was a hemispheric alteration of background, with an UN-inhababtle zone and people died.

Fuk is sitting on the jet stream and the Alaska Current, with an UN-inhababtle zone and people died.

Just how many of the fine life zones on this planet, is an acceptable number to contaminate into an UN-inhabitable zone "forever?"

So, please fill me in on the, with an UN-inhababtle zone and people died, aspect of GMO.

Doer said:

So, Chernobyl was a hemispheric alteration of background, with an UN-inhababtle zone and people died.

Fuk is sitting on the jet stream and the Alaska Current, with an UN-inhababtle zone and people died.

Just how many of the fine life zones on this planet, is an acceptable number to contaminate into an UN-inhabitable zone "forever?"

So, please fill me in on the, with an UN-inhababtle zone and people died, aspect of GMO.

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you are talking about after the fact incidences. I notice you neglect benzene, agent orange, DDT, DDD, PCBs Hexavalent Chromium and a host of other chemicals where no harm was shown until AFTER - AFTER the damage was done and we "learned our lesson".

You also neglect cigarettes, where cancer causality was only demonstrated in 1996. Where the companies that produced cigarettes maintained "no harm".

Now even beyond my "hysteria". You can eat all the GMO products you want, but I am steadily being denied my choice NOT to eat them. They are being forced upon me when over 90 percent of crops that find their way into every sort of food I can obtain are modified.

Your insistance that everything is just fine and your insistance that I die or grow sick in order to prove to YOU that perhaps those products are dangerous is a bit selfish to say the least.

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you are talking about after the fact incidences. I notice you neglect benzene, agent orange, DDT, DDD, PCBs Hexavalent Chromium and a host of other chemicals where no harm was shown until AFTER - AFTER the damage was done and we "learned our lesson".

You also neglect cigarettes, where cancer causality was only demonstrated in 1996. Where the companies that produced cigarettes maintained "no harm".

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But, I did tell the fact of life.

We are the test cases, always and it cannot work any other way. It barely works this way, I agree.

And this current solution, where we actually add science and test for harm, is new.

You are the control, if you don't eat any GMO. I am a willing subject. This is how it works.

And let me tell you. Cigs are only associated with one kind of cancer....small i.e. Oat cell lung cancer. Cigs are suspected in a vast horror show, because there is evidence.

No evidence, ZERO, of any harm for GMO in feed crop.

Really, you would have been against man flight and going faster than 20 mph on rails, with that logic.

You would have been and therefore are against it all. All human progress is this way.

Doer said:

But, I did tell the fact of life.

We are the test cases, always and it cannot work any other way. It barely works this way, I agree.

And this current solution, where we actually add science and test for harm, is new.

You are the control, if you don't eat any GMO. I am a willing subject. This is how it works.

And let me tell you. Cigs are only associated with one kind of cancer....small i.e. Oat cell lung cancer. Cigs are suspected in a vast horror show, because there is evidence.

No evidence, ZERO, of any harm for GMO in feed crop.

Really, you would have been against man flight and going faster than 20 mph on rails, with that logic.

You would have been and therefore are against it all. All human progress is this way.

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I would have been against maned flight if we had put EVERY person on that first plane. And you aren't getting it, I am not the control for this experiment, I am being experimented with right along with you. I can not avoid them now. There is infact "evidence" of harm, not the sort of evidence you require but the same held true early on for cigarettes. You still brush off all the experiments by saying "people die", "that is the way things are done", but in THIS particular case, the change is not reverseable and self perpetuating.

There is only one sort of evidence and that is the very point.

Doer said:

There is only one sort of evidence and that is the very point.

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After the fact. in any ordinary situation, fine, but I have said that the works of man are flawed and their flaws unpredictable. Suppose in 20 years we find that every person who has eaten GMO corn begins to show, oh say, liver cancer. EVERY one. Which will include, well, everyone. Suppose further that there is no way to grow non-gmo corn any more (entirely possible). How will your evidence help anyone?