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calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Kenster420 said:
Well shoot, 2 of em shall go down this weekend. I genuinely appreciate the honest subjective opinion with the flip side. Haven't found a lot of that. Fact that you have patients, im sure you're doing something right. I'll let the other go a little longer to see if i like it or not. Do you do a flush by chance?
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I don't do anything extreme as far as "flushing" goes I Just give the plants plain water a 5-7 days prior to harvest. I have personally noticed a better smoke and "cleaner" whiter ashe.

Many will argue there is no reason to flush, I use my own experience and Trial & Error and I can say it has made a difference in the last 3 years of growing in coco/hydro.

No point in pounding the roots with nutrients when you're about to chop the plant down is how I see it. I wouldn't recommend any of the "2 week flush" methods that is definitely too extreme and you will possibly lose out on yield/potency/quality or even worse shock the plant where it takes longer to ripen.

Based on the last pictures you posted I would have zero issue chopping those plants down in my own garden. They look Dank.

Relevant Tip
When you harvest chop the branches to manageable lengths pluck all the fan leaves off, this will save you a ton of time when you trim not having to go in and snip them out with scissors.. It will also make the drying more even.
Let the branches hang dry in a cool/dark place, grow tents work perfect with carbon exhaust fan on ;). After about 7 or 10 days you will have bud that has crispy leaves and is ready to trim once the stems snap when bent. Trim up the sugar leaves leftover on the buds, save the sugar leaves in your freezer if you want.
Put trimmed buds into a container and pop the container open a few times a day to let it "burp" / air out for about a week then you should have some awesome weed.
You can smoke it once dry honestly but it'll benefit from the burping process as it equalizes the moisture throughout the buds when sealed up. Just never seal them in a container when they are still wet. That's why you wanna wait to trim until the stems snap when bent.

Chop branches to decent length and try to cut where you have a knuckle you can hang branches upside down from.
  1. Pluck Fan Leaves off the plant, especially ones visually located under bud sites, these will be a pain to trim later and you don't want them in your trim to begin with.
  2. Use clothes hangers to stack the branches across and hang in the room/tent with no light and passive airflow (no direct wind on branches)
  3. Let branches hang in cool & dark room/tent for 7-10 days or until stems audibly snap when bent.
  4. Trim the buds sugar leaves off and save them in a bag in the freezer for medibles or w/e.
  5. Snip buds off stem into a sealable container and once done trimming seal and store in a cool dark place.
  6. Daily open the container and let it sit open for a few minutes while mixing the buds gently to equalize moisture in them. Usually takes 7-10 days...
  7. SMOKE IT UP!
p.s you can smoke the bud once its dry just it won't be as good as if you cure it like step 6.
 
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Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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calvin.m16 said:
I don't do anything extreme as far as "flushing" goes I Just give the plants plain water a 5-7 days prior to harvest. I have personally noticed a difference in the smoke feeding bottled nutrients in coco coir.

Many will argue there is no reason to flush, I use my own experience and Trial & Error and I can say it has made a difference in the last 3 years of growing in coco/hydro.

No point in pounding the roots with nutrients when you're about to chop the plant down is how I see it. I wouldn't recommend any of the "2 week flush" methods that is definitely too extreme and you will possibly lose out on yield/potency/quality or even worse shock the plant where it takes longer to ripen.

Based on the last pictures you posted I would have zero issue chopping those plants down in my own garden. They look Dank.
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This plant is ready to harvest?
Are we looking at the same pics?
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Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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You've got weeks to go. Prob 5-6 . But if you Wana chop nobody can stop you. But you will be disappointed. Your call.
Sounds like you're just waiting for someone to agree with you so you can justify what you want to do instead of listening to decades of growing exp.
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
You've got weeks to go. Prob 5-6 . But if you Wana chop nobody can stop you. But you will be disappointed. Your call.
Sounds like you're just waiting for someone to agree with you so you can justify what you want to do instead of listening to decades of growing exp.
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5-6..... but im at 8 weeks already. I'm looking for every reason to go until I'm 40% amber. Will that long matter if all my leaves are dead? What percent amber do you harvest at?
 
Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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Kenster420 said:
5-6..... but im at 8 weeks already. I'm looking for every reason to go until I'm 40% amber. Will that long matter if all my leaves are dead? What percent amber do you harvest at?
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Amber trichs are only part of the equation. You want all of the pistils red and the bud to harden off. The few different stains I've grown, seem like the buds get darker in appearance when close to harvest.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Kenster420 said:
5-6..... but im at 8 weeks already. I'm looking for every reason to go until I'm 40% amber. Will that long matter if all my leaves are dead? What percent amber do you harvest at?
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I harvest when the plant is ready. Following breeder times leads to early harvest. That plant looks like week 5-6 weeks in flower and needs another 5 weeks.
Stop relying on specific dates and worry more about the plant finishing properly.
Ya .. you've KFC'd your leaves a bit but I'd pull off the dead ones and try to get her back on track to ride out till the end.
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
I harvest when the plant is ready. Following breeder times leads to early harvest. That plant looks like week 5-6 weeks in flower and needs another 5 weeks.
Stop relying on specific dates and worry more about the plant finishing properly.
Ya .. you've KFC'd your leaves a bit but I'd pull off the dead ones and try to get her back on track to ride out till the end.
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Just a little lol
When do you consider the plant ready? What's your preferred amount of amber? I'm all for the only half way, if there's possibly of more bulking. But do i run any risk with limited amount of leaves? Hermie ect..
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Kenster420 said:
Just a little lol
When do you consider the plant ready? What's your preferred amount of amber? I'm all for the only half way, if there's possibly of more bulking. But do i run any risk with limited amount of leaves? Hermie ect..
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You're asking good questions now
The plant will bulk up as long as you get your medium and feed in check. How are you checking ph? What kind of meter? Cheap meters can read incorrect even if calibrated 100 times. If you want to know with accuracy you need good equipt.
Sure you run a risk of fucking up. Hermie? Ehhh I doubt it. it could happen.... But harvesting now would result in an underwhelming harvest. Both in yeild and quality. Which would be the same of not worse then trying to ride her out and failed anyway. You need to watch the plant daily. Take note of anything new that's going south and then make a decision at the last possible moment. If you don't know you can always post some pics and get some opinions.
When do I harvest? I take the breeder timeline with more than just a grain of salt. It's an idea. Generally you're never going to be ripe enough until 9-10 weeks. More like the latter. So around then I'll start looking at ripeness. Honestly I dont even remember the last time I scoped trics. And even if I did it's only a very small part of the equation of ripeness. It's like looking at a tomato when it's just starting to ripen. The top is red and appearing ready while the lower part is still green or transitioning to red and still too firm .. not ready.
Pick the fruit when the fruit is ripe! You're pallet will thank you.
Dont forget. If you fucked up that means you're learning something. Early grows are never going to be perfect hell even decades later I still fuck up too. Especially if I'm trying something new. Part of learning hands on. It happens. The detriment would be doing the same thing again.
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
You're asking good questions now
The plant will bulk up as long as you get your medium and feed in check. How are you checking ph? What kind of meter? Cheap meters can read incorrect even if calibrated 100 times. If you want to know with accuracy you need good equipt.
Sure you run a risk of fucking up. Hermie? Ehhh I doubt it. it could happen.... But harvesting now would result in an underwhelming harvest. Both in yeild and quality. Which would be the same of not worse then trying to ride her out and failed anyway. You need to watch the plant daily. Take note of anything new that's going south and then make a decision at the last possible moment. If you don't know you can always post some pics and get some opinions.
When do I harvest? I take the breeder timeline with more than just a grain of salt. It's an idea. Generally you're never going to be ripe enough until 9-10 weeks. More like the latter. So around then I'll start looking at ripeness. Honestly I dont even remember the last time I scoped trics. And even if I did it's only a very small part of the equation of ripeness. It's like looking at a tomato when it's just starting to ripen. The top is red and appearing ready while the lower part is still green or transitioning to red and still too firm .. not ready.
Pick the fruit when the fruit is ripe! You're pallet will thank you.
Dont forget. If you fucked up that means you're learning something. Early grows are never going to be perfect hell even decades later I still fuck up too. Especially if I'm trying something new. Part of learning hands on. It happens. The detriment would be doing the same thing again.
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I got an Apera pen recently. This all started because of ph problems. Id have to assume with ph going in is right now. I can't figure it out. I have 5 gal pots an water 1/2 gal to a gal. I pumped them with 1100 ppms a watering ago and 850 yesterday. Ill probably, just do 1 more 700 and then just water. Realistically i wouldn't even considering harvesting. Its only a consideration because of situation. Yeah i learned not to take issues light early on. But considering this is my first photo grow and 2nd ever. Im not sweating it. I have clones to try again. Just trying to make sure i can get the most out of my situation. Guess ill take it one day at a time and go from there. But on the flip side the other 2 should get to where i want them to by harvest.
 
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Kenster420

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calvin.m16 said:
I don't do anything extreme as far as "flushing" goes I Just give the plants plain water a 5-7 days prior to harvest. I have personally noticed a better smoke and "cleaner" whiter ashe.

Many will argue there is no reason to flush, I use my own experience and Trial & Error and I can say it has made a difference in the last 3 years of growing in coco/hydro.

No point in pounding the roots with nutrients when you're about to chop the plant down is how I see it. I wouldn't recommend any of the "2 week flush" methods that is definitely too extreme and you will possibly lose out on yield/potency/quality or even worse shock the plant where it takes longer to ripen.

Based on the last pictures you posted I would have zero issue chopping those plants down in my own garden. They look Dank.

Relevant Tip
When you harvest chop the branches to manageable lengths pluck all the fan leaves off, this will save you a ton of time when you trim not having to go in and snip them out with scissors.. It will also make the drying more even.
Let the branches hang dry in a cool/dark place, grow tents work perfect with carbon exhaust fan on ;). After about 7 or 10 days you will have bud that has crispy leaves and is ready to trim once the stems snap when bent. Trim up the sugar leaves leftover on the buds, save the sugar leaves in your freezer if you want.
Put trimmed buds into a container and pop the container open a few times a day to let it "burp" / air out for about a week then you should have some awesome weed.
You can smoke it once dry honestly but it'll benefit from the burping process as it equalizes the moisture throughout the buds when sealed up. Just never seal them in a container when they are still wet. That's why you wanna wait to trim until the stems snap when bent.

Chop branches to decent length and try to cut where you have a knuckle you can hang branches upside down from.
  1. Pluck Fan Leaves off the plant, especially ones visually located under bud sites, these will be a pain to trim later and you don't want them in your trim to begin with.
  2. Use clothes hangers to stack the branches across and hang in the room/tent with no light and passive airflow (no direct wind on branches)
  3. Let branches hang in cool & dark room/tent for 7-10 days or until stems audibly snap when bent.
  4. Trim the buds sugar leaves off and save them in a bag in the freezer for medibles or w/e.
  5. Snip buds off stem into a sealable container and once done trimming seal and store in a cool dark place.
  6. Daily open the container and let it sit open for a few minutes while mixing the buds gently to equalize moisture in them. Usually takes 7-10 days...
  7. SMOKE IT UP!
p.s you can smoke the bud once its dry just it won't be as good as if you cure it like step 6.
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Appreciate all the info, you're right alot of different opinions on harvest times lol. I'll just check daily till i can't push it. Im definitely not going to take it more than 3 weeks. I looked with a 60x and i have very few amber. So i don't think i could be that bad off. I'll definitely do that method of water for a week. With healthy plants of course lol.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Kenster420 said:
I got an Apera pen recently. This all started because of ph problems. Id have to assume with ph going in is right now. I can't figure it out. I have 5 gal pots an water 1/2 gal to a gal. I pumped them with 1100 ppms a watering ago and 850 yesterday. Ill probably, just do 1 more 700 and then just water. Realistically i wouldn't even considering harvesting. Its only a consideration because of situation. Yeah i learned not to take issues light early on. But considering this is my first photo grow and 2nd ever. Im not sweating it. I have clones to try again. Just trying to make sure i can get the most out of my situation. Guess ill take it one day at a time and go from there. But on the flip side the other 2 should get to where i want them to by harvest.
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1100 ppms is fucking high man. That's likely where your issues are comming from.
I barley go over 650ppm or 1.2ec the whole grow
What medium are you in
Stop setting times to harvest man.... Last time i say it. It's done when it's done
 
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Kenster420

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Lol man all this stuff is confusing as shitt! Some people say 1500, some say 1000, ect... my bottle say 1400 peak. Guess I'll take it slow next run. Thing is everything was fine until my cheap pen went out. I was watering at 8.2 when i thought i was at 6.5ish. You're right though. I thought that over 1000 was unnecessary but i took other members words to serious when i knew what i was doing. I was around 700 before this whole debacle. Would you just water or do a low ppm feeding at this point
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
1100 ppms is fucking high man. That's likely where your issues are comming from.
I barley go over 650ppm or 1.2ec the whole grow
What medium are you in
Stop setting times to harvest man.... Last time i say it. It's done when it's done
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Im in fox farm ocean forest, which is apparently pretty hot soil. Im going to coco and pumice next.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Kenster420 said:
Im in fox farm ocean forest, which is apparently pretty hot soil. Im going to coco and pumice next.
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Feeding that high in fox farms would be the issue imo. Ya that stuff is junk unless you know how to use it properly. Coco and pumice? Why not just perlite? It's cheaper and more available.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Kenster420 said:
Lol man all this stuff is confusing as shitt! Some people say 1500, some say 1000, ect... my bottle say 1400 peak. Guess I'll take it slow next run. Thing is everything was fine until my cheap pen went out. I was watering at 8.2 when i thought i was at 6.5ish. You're right though. I thought that over 1000 was unnecessary but i took other members words to serious when i knew what i was doing. I was around 700 before this whole debacle. Would you just water or do a low ppm feeding at this point
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I duno man. You've been doing alot and adding alot. If it were me I'd just water it with a super low feed like 250ppm or just water for a couple and see what happens. There's tons of nutrient in the soil that the plant can't get. If you knew the soil pH you could adjust it but you don't. I'd assume is ultra acidic. Like low 5s.
Adding more is just compounding your issues
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
Feeding that high in fox farms would be the issue imo. Ya that stuff is junk unless you know how to use it properly. Coco and pumice? Why not just perlite? It's cheaper and more available.
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I mean that would be a viable option aswell. I just saw buildasoil use it. Considering perlite is cheaper. But yeah, i have 3 cubic ft of fox farm left. 16 keeper clones new genetics. and So ill do 8 with that and a down to earth flower amendment i have. Try half of the tent organic. And the other with coco and the dyna grow line next.
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
I duno man. You've been doing alot and adding alot. If it were me I'd just water it with a super low feed like 250ppm or just water for a couple and see what happens. There's tons of nutrient in the soil that the plant can't get. If you knew the soil pH you could adjust it but you don't. I'd assume is ultra acidic. Like low 5s.
Adding more is just compounding your issues
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I agree, I'll commit to that. Wanna give these girls the least bumpy ride home possible. I've done fucked them every way possible and they are fighting me back. I'm done messing with them. Ill treated their daughters better next time.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Kenster420 said:
I mean that would be a viable option aswell. I just saw buildasoil use it. Considering perlite is cheaper. But yeah, i have 3 cubic ft of fox farm left. 16 keeper clones new genetics. and So ill do 8 with that and a down to earth flower amendment i have. Try half of the tent organic. And the other with coco and the dyna grow line next.
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That seems like alot of work
Why not try to keep it simple? Coco can sometimes be difficult for new growers to use properly. Make sure you understand how to use coco. Dont worry about nutrient lines etc. If you were to use something like maxibloom or jacks even just base nutes from any company.
and keep it simple for now. A reliable TDS meter will help as well.
Just keep on keeping on man. Mistakes are yours to make and learn from. I dont like telling someone what to do with their grow. It's about what works for you. What you want to use. If you want to use foxfarns then giver hell but expect similar results.
 
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Kenster420

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Jjgrow420 said:
That seems like alot of work
Why not try to keep it simple? Coco can sometimes be difficult for new growers to use properly. Make sure you understand how to use coco. Dont worry about nutrient lines etc. If you were to use something like maxibloom or jacks even just base nutes from any company.
and keep it simple for now. A reliable TDS meter will help as well.
Just keep on keeping on man. Mistakes are yours to make and learn from. I dont like telling someone what to do with their grow. It's about what works for you. What you want to use. If you want to use foxfarns then giver hell but expect similar results.
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I think that would be simple, i work from home. I got a lot of flexibility, to much. Once i find what i like, I'll just run that style. The organic dry amendment side i would just have to water. Dyna grow side, i just have a silica, foliage pro, and bloom. Eventually i would like to get Blumat for automation. But right now things are still pretty fun.
 
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