polyarcturus
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so does a lot of sources of sugars, just pointing this out dont get hung up on the nutritional values of mollasis becuse it is not in a form the plants can feed on without microbes its useless.
Molasses or Sugar??
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SpunkyMonkey
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is honey any good for coco ? never botherd playing with sugers befor but i like honey and i like bud so mmmmmmm do i just use honey out the kitchin ? 
GanjaGod420000
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Molasses or sugar mixed in water, fed into the soil, makes microherds very happy, and in turn makes plants very happy, which in turn make us very happy... Nuff said...
polyarcturus
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read the thread. flavor of the sugar has nothing to do with the flavor of the bud, if you want fruity plants its genetics and how you grow it.is honey any good for coco ? never botherd playing with sugers befor but i like honey and i like bud so mmmmmmm do i just use honey out the kitchin ?
you wan to improve taste? improve the overall health of the plant.
polyarcturus
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they can be if you know your microbe pop. is thriving and given at lower doses. but yes
The Growery
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Is regular dominos granulated sugar okay to use? I was think of adding it in between my nute waters during the fresh water cycle. I assume 1 tblspn/gal?
polyarcturus
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sure would work fine. there are better source but it will serve the same purpose
OniusOniusOnius
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Ok here's my take:
Use molasses for most of the plant's life. It contains calcium, magnesium, potassium, and most importantly iron in fairly large amounts. Molasses includes these in a chelated form, which the microbes break down into food for the plant (including the simple carbohydrate by-products). Molasses can also contain small amounts of several micro nutrients.
Use sugar at the end of bloom (last 2 weeks) to help flush the plant. Using sugar instead of molasses will leave your plant with less stored up nutrients which are known to be harmful (cobalt for example).
Use molasses for most of the plant's life. It contains calcium, magnesium, potassium, and most importantly iron in fairly large amounts. Molasses includes these in a chelated form, which the microbes break down into food for the plant (including the simple carbohydrate by-products). Molasses can also contain small amounts of several micro nutrients.
Use sugar at the end of bloom (last 2 weeks) to help flush the plant. Using sugar instead of molasses will leave your plant with less stored up nutrients which are known to be harmful (cobalt for example).
polyarcturus
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very intuitive one of my reasons for the honey to cornsyrup ratio. but yes it contains these micro nutes which proves very useful, some of us just add vitamins to the water tho!
Big country 541
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MOLASSES: FEEDING THE SOIL
Your soil is the very foundation of your cannabis grow, it is full of nutrients and microorganisms that all work together to keep your cannabis plant strong and healthy as it grows. Whilst it is important to ensure the nutritional balance of the soil is correct, it is also ensuring that it is a suitable environment microorganisms can thrive in that really separates the good from the expert cultivator.
This is where molasses comes in. While molasses is quite rich in nutrients, it is primarily used as a carbohydrate source for the organisms in your soil, effectively feeding the soil and improving it as a foundation for your cannabis. The microorganisms found within the soil play a vital role in the growth of your cannabis, and they also require the right nutrients to thrive. By giving them molasses you ensure they have what they need, and subsequently boost the structure, moisture retention, microorganism content and efficiency of the soil – which in turn benefits your cannabis.
THE OTHER BENEFITS OF MOLASSES
In addition to improving the base quality of the soil, using molasses to irrigate your crops can also help prevent the build-up of pathogens that will potentially harm your plants, as well are reduce salt build up that can cause nutritional problems. Molasses contains a good amount of macro- and micro-nutrients, all of which are essential to cannabis health to one degree or another. As both macro- and micro-nutrients are not required in huge amounts, it can sometimes be quite hard to diagnose a deficiency. By regularly adding molasses to your grow you can ensure your cannabis has everything it needs.
Your soil is the very foundation of your cannabis grow, it is full of nutrients and microorganisms that all work together to keep your cannabis plant strong and healthy as it grows. Whilst it is important to ensure the nutritional balance of the soil is correct, it is also ensuring that it is a suitable environment microorganisms can thrive in that really separates the good from the expert cultivator.
This is where molasses comes in. While molasses is quite rich in nutrients, it is primarily used as a carbohydrate source for the organisms in your soil, effectively feeding the soil and improving it as a foundation for your cannabis. The microorganisms found within the soil play a vital role in the growth of your cannabis, and they also require the right nutrients to thrive. By giving them molasses you ensure they have what they need, and subsequently boost the structure, moisture retention, microorganism content and efficiency of the soil – which in turn benefits your cannabis.
THE OTHER BENEFITS OF MOLASSES
In addition to improving the base quality of the soil, using molasses to irrigate your crops can also help prevent the build-up of pathogens that will potentially harm your plants, as well are reduce salt build up that can cause nutritional problems. Molasses contains a good amount of macro- and micro-nutrients, all of which are essential to cannabis health to one degree or another. As both macro- and micro-nutrients are not required in huge amounts, it can sometimes be quite hard to diagnose a deficiency. By regularly adding molasses to your grow you can ensure your cannabis has everything it needs.
Indacouch
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5 year old thread homie ....your the first post since 2012....lol
BarnBuster
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lol, and it's already been plagerized several times before @Big country 541 , attribute when you post..
https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-molasses-and-cannabis-taking-your-soil-to-the-next-level-n352
https://www.rollitup.org/t/things-other-than-molasses.935830/
Dr.Nick Riviera
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Molasses for Plants
By Robert Pavlis on March 31, 2014
This is a hot gardening topic these days and many of the organic gardeners are promoting the idea that you should add molasses to your compost pile and to your garden. It makes the microbes grow better–they need to eat, don’t you know?
Molasses; should you eat it, or dump it onto your soil? You have come to the right place to get the facts.
Molasses for Plants
Molasses, What is it?
Molasses is a by-product produced during the manufacture of sugar. Sugar cane or sugar beets are processed so that the sugar can be extracted. The material that is left after most of the sugar is removed is a black sticky material called molasses. Molasses contains sugar, some other carbohydrates, vitamins and a number of minerals like calcium and iron.
Molasses for Plants
You probably know that it is important to have microbes in your soil. If not, have a look at Organic Fertilizer – What is its Real Value. If having microbes is important, than it makes sense that you should feed those microbes. Feeding them will make them healthy, and make them reproduce so that you have even more microbes. Guess what? Microbes, especially the bacteria, love sugar. It’s no surprise that they also love molasses since it is mostly sugar.
So far it all seems to make sense. Microbes are good for soil, and molasses is good for microbes, so why not add it to soil? The short answer is that there is nothing wrong with adding molasses to your garden, or to your compost pile. It will feed the microbes.
Does it Make Sense to Add Molasses?
I’ll save you the trouble of skipping to the end of this post–the answer is NO!
Understanding why the answer is no will help you understand your garden. Let’s have a look. In a normal garden, or compost pile, you have a large variety of microbes, all going about their daily lives. They find something to eat, they poop, and they die. This is a continual process that goes on a billion times a second.
Microbes are opportunistic in that their populations will increase and decrease as the conditions change. Let’s assume you have not been doing too much in the garden so conditions are not changing. In that case the microbe populations remain steady. Things are chugging along at a normal pace and everybody is happy.
Now you dump a lot of molasses on the garden. Instantly, microbes sense the extra food and they start to multiply. Bacteria can divide (ie double the population) every 20 minutes. The population explodes very quickly. All those bacteria need to eat, and they quickly consume the molasses you added. As the food source runs out there is a massive famine and most of the bacteria die.
What has the molasses accomplished?
Not much. It is true that all of the dead bacteria go on to feed other microbes, and they help build soil structure. The minerals in the molasses stay in the soil and plants can use them, but your soil probably had enough calcium and iron before you added the molasses. The vitamins in molasses are of no value to plants.
Is the massive population explosion good for your plants? I don’t think anyone knows, but most things in nature are better off without massive changes, and plant roots depend very much on the population of microbes around their roots. I just can’t believe a bacteria population explosion is good for the plants.
Molasses might make your compost pile work quicker, but the first rain, or your hose, will wash the sugars out of the pile removing any benefits.
Do You Need to Feed the Microbes?
The reason for adding molasses is to feed the microbes, so it is important to ask, “Should the gardener feed the microbes?” The answer is a resounding YES! However, there are many ways to do this. Adding compost, wood chips or other organic matter as a mulch is the best way. This provides a slow, steady release of food for the microbes.
Molasses is a product that we can use to feed people and animals. I’d rather eat gingerbread cookies than compost and wood chips. From an environmental point of view it makes more sense to put non-edible organic matter in the garden and keep the food in the fridge.
There is no “magic” in molasses. It’s just another source of organic matter that will be decomposed in the garden. All organic matter contains carbohydrates, sugars, minerals and vitamins, just like molasses. Don’t believe me …… consider the fact that molasses is made from plants; sugar cane or sugar beets.
By Robert Pavlis on March 31, 2014
This is a hot gardening topic these days and many of the organic gardeners are promoting the idea that you should add molasses to your compost pile and to your garden. It makes the microbes grow better–they need to eat, don’t you know?
Molasses; should you eat it, or dump it onto your soil? You have come to the right place to get the facts.
Molasses for Plants
Molasses, What is it?
Molasses is a by-product produced during the manufacture of sugar. Sugar cane or sugar beets are processed so that the sugar can be extracted. The material that is left after most of the sugar is removed is a black sticky material called molasses. Molasses contains sugar, some other carbohydrates, vitamins and a number of minerals like calcium and iron.
Molasses for Plants
You probably know that it is important to have microbes in your soil. If not, have a look at Organic Fertilizer – What is its Real Value. If having microbes is important, than it makes sense that you should feed those microbes. Feeding them will make them healthy, and make them reproduce so that you have even more microbes. Guess what? Microbes, especially the bacteria, love sugar. It’s no surprise that they also love molasses since it is mostly sugar.
So far it all seems to make sense. Microbes are good for soil, and molasses is good for microbes, so why not add it to soil? The short answer is that there is nothing wrong with adding molasses to your garden, or to your compost pile. It will feed the microbes.
Does it Make Sense to Add Molasses?
I’ll save you the trouble of skipping to the end of this post–the answer is NO!
Understanding why the answer is no will help you understand your garden. Let’s have a look. In a normal garden, or compost pile, you have a large variety of microbes, all going about their daily lives. They find something to eat, they poop, and they die. This is a continual process that goes on a billion times a second.
Microbes are opportunistic in that their populations will increase and decrease as the conditions change. Let’s assume you have not been doing too much in the garden so conditions are not changing. In that case the microbe populations remain steady. Things are chugging along at a normal pace and everybody is happy.
Now you dump a lot of molasses on the garden. Instantly, microbes sense the extra food and they start to multiply. Bacteria can divide (ie double the population) every 20 minutes. The population explodes very quickly. All those bacteria need to eat, and they quickly consume the molasses you added. As the food source runs out there is a massive famine and most of the bacteria die.
What has the molasses accomplished?
Not much. It is true that all of the dead bacteria go on to feed other microbes, and they help build soil structure. The minerals in the molasses stay in the soil and plants can use them, but your soil probably had enough calcium and iron before you added the molasses. The vitamins in molasses are of no value to plants.
Is the massive population explosion good for your plants? I don’t think anyone knows, but most things in nature are better off without massive changes, and plant roots depend very much on the population of microbes around their roots. I just can’t believe a bacteria population explosion is good for the plants.
Molasses might make your compost pile work quicker, but the first rain, or your hose, will wash the sugars out of the pile removing any benefits.
Do You Need to Feed the Microbes?
The reason for adding molasses is to feed the microbes, so it is important to ask, “Should the gardener feed the microbes?” The answer is a resounding YES! However, there are many ways to do this. Adding compost, wood chips or other organic matter as a mulch is the best way. This provides a slow, steady release of food for the microbes.
Molasses is a product that we can use to feed people and animals. I’d rather eat gingerbread cookies than compost and wood chips. From an environmental point of view it makes more sense to put non-edible organic matter in the garden and keep the food in the fridge.
There is no “magic” in molasses. It’s just another source of organic matter that will be decomposed in the garden. All organic matter contains carbohydrates, sugars, minerals and vitamins, just like molasses. Don’t believe me …… consider the fact that molasses is made from plants; sugar cane or sugar beets.
ANC
Well-Known Member
It takes 4 seasons to build a good environment. It brings all the new voices to the choir in the soil, to make use of optimisation like cover crops, mulching, fertilising with non-harming nutrients and salts etc. In nature, a succession of different plants and weeds will change with the season. You don;lt quite have the deadstop you have in a monoculture plant pot.
In the end, everything finds its balance and your soil starts building up reserves of organic and inorganic nutrients and range of creatures that live in and on the soil, some microbes will not even come to life without passing through the gut of specific insects. A bit like some seeds needs to be eaten by birds or animals first.
In the end, everything finds its balance and your soil starts building up reserves of organic and inorganic nutrients and range of creatures that live in and on the soil, some microbes will not even come to life without passing through the gut of specific insects. A bit like some seeds needs to be eaten by birds or animals first.
Big country 541
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I don't know wat your talking about and indacouch HATER DUM ASS COMMENTS
Indacouch
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bullSnot
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I used to fall for the blackstrap molasses and bud candy sugar thing. Until I read a paper by university Nebraska on various sugars and crops. The only benefit it showed was that it had an increase of beneficial insects. No better growth, disease protection or the like. So if you grow inside, what is the use.
Unless you are making compost tea to feed microbes in a bucket...they have plenty to eat in good soil
Unless you are making compost tea to feed microbes in a bucket...they have plenty to eat in good soil