MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

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Rustydog

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I have heard of a clinic like this, don't know if this is the one but the dr will be triing to push you towards certain LPs.
Sounds like they have found a way to give kick backs to the dr.
 
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bitesize

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while it is a nice thought to start your own grow operation for the Canada mmpr. Here is the problem. You can only sell to medical patients, and will be monitored very closely and you must keep meticulous records. You may be able to pinch a little for yourself here and there, but you cannot sell to anyone else. So the market is limited to what i understand is about 30,000 patients with a maximum of three ounces a month each. No more ( 3 grams a day ) some people even less. One or two grams a day. That would be about 60,000-90,000 ounces a month. 2556 Kilos a month. That really sounds like a lot but if there are 10 major companies operating that would be only 500 lbs each. They defiantly can and will produce that much each. Their prices on the net seem to be about $225 an ounce. So a med patient, to use 3 grams a day will cost him $675 a month. So how many of those patients can afford $675 a month ? In the past a lot of those patients grew their own at a very low cost, and sold their surplus to help pay their costs. So are they going to now start paying $675 a month or are they going to get a deal around the corner for a lot less.
You can get a license to produce. H.C. can not refuse you if you meet all the criteria. ( it is in the regulations ). You need a senior person in charge, an alternate person in charge an a person to distribute the M and keep meticulous records of patients and how much they were sold etc. These three people need security clearances only. Then you need a Quality Assurance Person that is certified ( eg. Greenline - Kelowna- $1995 ) You need a building that is very security safe. You need a Cement vault that can store your dried M to the amount of your licence. The smallest licence would allow you store it in a safe, locked in a secure room that is monitored 24/7 and alarmed. You must have everything in place before you get your license. $$$ outlay. You can grow all you want if you can sell it right away. If you cant sell it all right away you must store it in your vault. when the vault is full you have to stop growing or destroy what you have in the vault, to keep on growing. In order to sell all of your product you need to have those med patients register with you, and they may already be registered with a major. I am sure that if you sold for less money they may switch over to you. Then the next guy will have to lower his price in order to sell his product. I think that the customer base is very limited, as the prescriptions are going to be harder to get as you must use all other means first ( pharmaceuticals ) before the doc can prescribe M. So that customer base will be slow to grow.In order to sell your product you will have to sell at a lower price, which most likely will force the majors to lower their price and you then will be in the same boat. Eventually the price may come way down which will be good for the patients. Then maybe they will be able to afford to buy it legally. And remember you can't sell any of it to your friends.
 
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bitesize

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You can incinerate as long as the smoke does not go into the air. The regulations state that there can be nothing released that some one may come in contact with. Filter on your building for air out take. Filter on your grow rooms so other workers do not get exposed. The incinerator will have to have an exhaust filter.
 
StPatrick71

StPatrick71

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I will use a third party for my lab, so i won't worry to much about the methods for now.
I need to decide which publication to use for the specification. Before spending 300$ (or more ) on European Pharmacopeia. I want to be certain it is the best way to go.
 
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Kron3007

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bitesize said:
while it is a nice thought to start your own grow operation for the Canada mmpr. Here is the problem. You can only sell to medical patients, and will be monitored very closely and you must keep meticulous records. You may be able to pinch a little for yourself here and there, but you cannot sell to anyone else. So the market is limited to what i understand is about 30,000 patients with a maximum of three ounces a month each. No more ( 3 grams a day ) some people even less. One or two grams a day. That would be about 60,000-90,000 ounces a month. 2556 Kilos a month. That really sounds like a lot but if there are 10 major companies operating that would be only 500 lbs each. They defiantly can and will produce that much each. Their prices on the net seem to be about $225 an ounce. So a med patient, to use 3 grams a day will cost him $675 a month. So how many of those patients can afford $675 a month ? In the past a lot of those patients grew their own at a very low cost, and sold their surplus to help pay their costs. So are they going to now start paying $675 a month or are they going to get a deal around the corner for a lot less.
You can get a license to produce. H.C. can not refuse you if you meet all the criteria. ( it is in the regulations ). You need a senior person in charge, an alternate person in charge an a person to distribute the M and keep meticulous records of patients and how much they were sold etc. These three people need security clearances only. Then you need a Quality Assurance Person that is certified ( eg. Greenline - Kelowna- $1995 ) You need a building that is very security safe. You need a Cement vault that can store your dried M to the amount of your licence. The smallest licence would allow you store it in a safe, locked in a secure room that is monitored 24/7 and alarmed. You must have everything in place before you get your license. $$$ outlay. You can grow all you want if you can sell it right away. If you cant sell it all right away you must store it in your vault. when the vault is full you have to stop growing or destroy what you have in the vault, to keep on growing. In order to sell all of your product you need to have those med patients register with you, and they may already be registered with a major. I am sure that if you sold for less money they may switch over to you. Then the next guy will have to lower his price in order to sell his product. I think that the customer base is very limited, as the prescriptions are going to be harder to get as you must use all other means first ( pharmaceuticals ) before the doc can prescribe M. So that customer base will be slow to grow.In order to sell your product you will have to sell at a lower price, which most likely will force the majors to lower their price and you then will be in the same boat. Eventually the price may come way down which will be good for the patients. Then maybe they will be able to afford to buy it legally. And remember you can't sell any of it to your friends.
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I think this has been discussed several times throughout this thread. Obviously this is a concern, but I think most people seriously moving forward are well aware of these issues and everyone has the same restraints. You could even argue that these issues are more problematic for the larger players as they need a much larger market share to support them. This is especially true as most people that use medical marihuana are not big fans of big farma (of course only time will tell).

Also, the QA person does not need to be "certified", that is just a cash grab IMO.

If you are so concerned about our future, why are you moving forward?
 
Adam@AC

Adam@AC

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Health Canada doesn't list necessary qualifications for the QA but good luck if he/she doesn't have experience with lab work, pharmaceuticals etc. My QAR report alone was 40 pages and my SOP's are an even larger package.
 
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Kron3007

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Adam@AC said:
Health Canada doesn't list necessary qualifications for the QA but good luck if he/she doesn't have experience with lab work, pharmaceuticals etc. My QAR report alone was 40 pages and my SOP's are an even larger package.
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I didn't say they didnt need to be qualified, just that there is no specific certification needed. My QAR was much shorter and they seemed happy with it. Size isn't everything!
 
Adam@AC

Adam@AC

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True, but we've been given the run around on many different issues that they originally seemed happy with but had to change. It's been an interesting experience.

I had a partner of mine do most of the QAR, we then had one of the approved testing facilities put the final touches on it. I'm not going to go into $ details. There are quite a few companies offering to help with these services.
 
eliminare

eliminare

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Are producers allowed to use real strain names? Im sick of not knowing what Im taking as a patient. why the f should high times mag be allowed to get the real strain names from peace naturals, and not the patient?

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Kron3007

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eliminare said:
Are producers allowed to use real strain names? Im sick of not knowing what Im taking as a patient. why the f should high times mag be allowed to get the real strain names from peace naturals, and not the patient?

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Some are, but the "real" strain names are a little dubious in their own right. Most are so variable they should hardly be called a strain in the first place, and when you get them from different sources they are often not even remotely the same. Still value in it though, so if we ever make it through the gauntlet we will provide the origins.
 
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