MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

Princess of Pot said:

I'm sorry but I just don't believe this. There is zero information to back this up. It sounds too fishy to be true. What's to stop me from posting that unless the side of the building is painted green it's an automatic denial. If anyone has been denied on this ground post the letter of rejection. Also, they cannot just change the rules as they go, they are opening themselves up to lawsuits.

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Have you been following the rules at all? No offense, but they've changed them a handful of times already. Amendments, adjustments and changing the way they enforce wording.

I have been keeping an eye on the amendments and I have also been speaking with a lawyer. From what I understand, rejecting your application bc they have changed the rules of the game after you have applied is not really allowed. whether or not rejected applicants will be hiring legal council to sue for damages in another thing.

Kron3007 said:

We dont really know how many have been rejected, or even how many have applied. What I mean by this is that I have submitted an application that I later withdrew. I then submitted an application that was rejected because it was missing some items (ie. image showing 500 m radius, even though it dosn't say anywhere that this is needed). Now I have re-submitted the application with the 500 m radius etc.

Depending on how they do their math, I alone could count for 3 applications; one withdrawn, one rejected, and one in limbo.

They say they have received X applications, but are these all separate applicants or just re-submissions. They say they have rejected Y applications, but how many of these have re-submitted? I personally think they are trying to make the numbers look higher than they are to justify more restrictive policies, but this is just speculation.

That being said, it would definitely be nice to hear from some of those who have been declined.

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Can you post your letter or at least the part of the letter that requests the 500m radius from a house?

Princess of Pot said:

I'm sorry but I just don't believe this. There is zero information to back this up. It sounds too fishy to be true. What's to stop me from posting that unless the side of the building is painted green it's an automatic denial. If anyone has been denied on this ground post the letter of rejection. Also, they cannot just change the rules as they go, they are opening themselves up to lawsuits.

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And somehow you think they care about lawsuits? Look at their track record. They are making it up on the fly.

rnr "

we all hope the courts favor patients but my dude says they wont allow it and will fuck with stuff to screw the patients cause they started with them. again harper dont want this to happen.
I also understand most new apps wont get going until the last 400 in process are dealt with.
rem 1-2 yrs for total application from start to loi or fully built before you grow, then can still be shut down.
don't look into this too much and just do what they ask. this will not be easy for any small people imo. you will need a solid backer that can afford to cover costs for yrs and or have a lobbyist but they want $10-5ok to anything. I just get advice, until I fully need them. best of luck

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You think? lol

I got some news for ya RDR
We're gonna kick HC's ass right back to where they thought up this BS deal in the first place. Things will stay the same as they are now until HC can think up something that will work for the patient. They won't. They don't care remember?
To much money to worry about the 'little things'.
They'll let the wee ones slide. Mark my words



rdr rnr funny

I wish this was true ^ but I doubt it.
It's been discussed a few times by leaffan and others - I think HC has this whole thing going exactly the way they want it, including the injunction.

Product diversion might be the one exception to their plan going "as planned".

. like we're to believe a bunch of yahoos on the internet yappin away about how it's supposed to all go?

oh fuck I nearly spit..

No one can say. The courts are there to judge.


Its awesome!

friggin pessimists ppphhhtttt

Speaking of courts and judges, Conroy only has a few days left to file the cross appeal. Should be interesting to read some of the arguments in the coming days.

It may or may not be going the way HC wants it to, but HC does not control the courts or what they will rule in Feb.

Devil Lettuce said:

It may or may not be going the way HC wants it to, but HC does not control the courts or what they will rule in Feb.

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I agree with this and I believe in our courts system. That said, I've seen some glimmers of actual intelligence coming from HC and it scares me to think they might actually be in control of the situation.

Devil Lettuce said:

It may or may not be going the way HC wants it to, but HC does not control the courts or what they will rule in Feb.

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I think the next set of court session will be some cool history making. At this time I can't see a judge not slapping HC silly with all the Kelowna stuff and the crap that has been sold as "medicine" so far. Also when it comes to real charter of rights issues the courts always seem to side with the citizen right vs the government.

Feb won't be the end of it. You know an appeal will be coming after the trial. Will drag on for quite some time.
Just one yahoos opinion.

Devil Lettuce said:

It may or may not be going the way HC wants it to, but HC does not control the courts or what they will rule in Feb.

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True, but they sure as hell know how to manipulate the system.

I expect a few years of post trial action before any real results are announced.

WHATFG said:

And somehow you think they care about lawsuits? Look at their track record. They are making it up on the fly.

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I don't think they do care - I just think that there will be a way to get damages when this whole system falls apart

leaffan said:

Feb won't be the end of it. You know an appeal will be coming after the trial. Will drag on for quite some time.
Just one yahoos opinion.

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I agree with that statement,.

cheers

join the club!

Devil Lettuce said:

It may or may not be going the way HC wants it to, but HC does not control the courts or what they will rule in Feb.

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I agree totally. From what I've seen there are some pretty good arguments that it worked better for the patients the other way. I'm not gonna point out all the examples but we have all seen them described here. I think HC has a lot to answer too...like these very high prices. That's what a lot of this was about. and the LP's are bolstering that argument very well. I'd say they proved the argument already with just prices alone. What are they ever gonna drop below 5 bucks a gram...doubt it? They won't make any money then. And as they say they are there to make money. You see the two points of view oppose each other and PRICE will a big consideration.
It's a bloody juxtaposition !!

Princess of Pot said:

I have been keeping an eye on the amendments and I have also been speaking with a lawyer. From what I understand, rejecting your application bc they have changed the rules of the game after you have applied is not really allowed. whether or not rejected applicants will be hiring legal council to sue for damages in another thing.

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ya of course what they are doing is semy wrong by changing the rules.
you wont hear anything about the new rules as in 500 m from a house. if they have it in there books, then it don't matter, and there is already people suing for these reasons! do you really think they will win or it wont take years and a lot of $$$?
regulations can be changed anytime to suite the system.
this has been made to fail. they don't want this to happen and they don't want a boat load of work to do babysitting and new rules and bs.
we might see anymore lp for a year, then they might allow other larger ones.
the 20k ruling is similar, they don't have a rule, they have a # to go by, if your under it gives them cause to put u in the shit pile. or over 20ksqft is the $$ pile. a few large sites is all we will prob see until harpers out.
if JT gets in, buddy says 4yrs min before its actually up and running for legalization. then pc could be voted back in, then what????

Then what ?

lol
by then the government will learn not to fux with sick people who have legit arguments to back themselves up and show the courts just how HC could care less about patients.
They care about Money. lol and is why they will leave patients alone, they're just to much of a pain in their assets lol Tee hee

Princess of Pot said:

Can you post your letter or at least the part of the letter that requests the 500m radius from a house?

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They didn't state that it had to be 500m from a house, just that we needed to include a aerial photo that shows a 500m radius around the site. This was on a blue checklist that they sent back with our application. What is interesting is that we did not receive such a checklist showing the deficiencies on our first submission (Back in August), they just asked for the missing information (or to elaborate on anything). They also told me that I needed to include sample record forms, even though it explicitly states on the application that this is optional. Perhaps what was most interesting was that some sections of my application that had made it through the review phase the first time were on the check list as needing to be completed (I suspect that this was a formatting issue, but they have obviously changed the process).

Anyway, after receiving the checklist stating that I needed to include the image with the 500 m radius, I sent an e-mail basically asking what this is used for and if there is anything I should know about it before resubmitting and this is what they said:

"Thank you for your interest in becoming a licensed producer under the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations (MMPR).

The information provided within the application such as the recent aerial view of the proposed site showing adjacent lots within a radius of 500 meters from your proposed site; the building location survey prepared and certified by a qualified surveyor and the legal zoning of the proposed site and adjacent lots are all taken into consideration when assessing the risk of the proposed site."

The "prepared and certified" part has me a little concerned as well...