Mind blowing question

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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Blasphemy. No way weed has four times the amount of tar or else it would do a lot more damage to your lungs.

Ok so i did some research and found two answers that are different than one another. The one stated that a marijuana joint had 50% more carcinogen than a tabacco cig and 3-5 times the tar. While this study shows something alil different (atleast about the tar)

"yes unfortunatly marijuanna does have tar. anything you smoke has tar in it. But the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as carcinogenic as tobacco." or it contains 33% the amount of tar as tabacoo has in it. This is only a test of the bud not the leaf but who the hell smokes the leaf. this was also tested without the intervention of a bong. Also because of the psychoactive affects of cannabis (weed) you dont smoke as much. There has also been no document cases of lung cancer being directly linked to oral inhilation of cannabis. (keep in mind all these test were done in the late 70's). Bottom line Maijuana is good for the soul, and not near as bad for you as, say, smoking cigarettes. So smoke pot, and dont drive! Also the site with .edu is the acually valid, so if you want only information that has been completely validated go to that."

Got it from yahoo answers:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080512231337AAKlgXX

Qoute from the other page (written by a grad student):

"A joint contains about 50 percent more carcinogens and up to three to five times as much tar as a regular tobacco cigarette"

http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2007/07/17/MailCall/Marijuana.Does.Have.Consequences-2924221.shtml
 

SarcasticHobbes

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Heavy marijuana use not linked to lung cancer


Drug Trials

Despite popular belief, a new study shows that people who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk of developing lung cancer.

It seems even heavy, long-term marijuana users do not appear to increase the risk of head and neck cancers, such as cancer of the tongue, mouth, throat, or esophagus.

Senior researcher, Donald Tashkin, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA in Los Angeles says the findings were a surprise as they expected to find that a history of heavy marijuana use would increase the risk of cancer from several years to decades after exposure to marijuana.

The study looked at people in Los Angeles County - 611 who developed lung cancer, 601 who developed cancer of the head or neck regions, and 1,040 people without cancer who were matched on age, gender and neighborhood.

The researchers used the University of Southern California Tumor Registry, which is notified as soon as a patient in Los Angeles County receives a diagnosis of cancer.

The study was limited to people under age 60 as those born prior to 1940, were unlikely to be exposed to marijuana use during their teens and 20s - the time of peak marijuana use.

Dr. Tashkin says people who were exposed to marijuana use in their youth are only now getting to the age when cancer typically starts to develop.
The participants were questioned about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diet, occupation, family history of cancer and socioeconomic status.

Dr. Tashkin says the subjects' reported use of marijuana was similar to that found in other surveys.
The heaviest smokers in the study had smoked more than 22,000 marijuana cigarettes, or joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 to 22,000 joints.

Even these smokers did not have an increased risk of developing cancer and people who smoked more marijuana were not at any increased risk compared with those who smoked less marijuana or none at all.

The study found that 80% of lung cancer patients and 70% of patients with head and neck cancer had smoked tobacco, while only about half of patients with both types of cancer smoked marijuana.

A clear association was seen between smoking tobacco and cancer.

The study found a 20-fold increased risk of lung cancer in people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day and the more tobacco a person smoked, the greater the risk of developing both lung cancer and head and neck cancers.

The findings support many previous studies.

Dr. Tashkin say the new findings are surprising for several reasons; previous studies have shown that marijuana tar contains about 50% higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer, compared with tobacco tar, and smoking marijuana cigarettes deposits four times more tar in the lungs than smoking an equivalent amount of tobacco.

Apparently marijuana is packed more loosely than tobacco, so less filtration takes place through the rod of the cigarette, so more particles are inhaled.
Dr. Tashkin says also that marijuana smokers hold their breath about four times longer than tobacco smokers, allowing more time for extra fine particles to be deposited in the lungs.

Tashkin does offer one possible explanation in that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a chemical in marijuana smoke, may encourage aging cells to die earlier and therefore be less likely to undergo cancerous transformation.

Dr. Tashkin says, the next step is to study the DNA samples of the subjects, to see whether there are some heavy marijuana users who may be at increased risk of developing cancer if they have a genetic susceptibility for cancer.

Other experts are warning that the study should not be viewed as a green light to smoke pot, as smoking marijuana has been associated with problems such as cognitive impairment and chronic bronchitis.


http://www.news-medical.net/?id=18122
 

victozap

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Wait, if marijuana has 50% more carcinogens, and 3-5 times the tar, then why is it so healthy compared to cigarettes?
 

SarcasticHobbes

Well-Known Member
Wait, if marijuana has 50% more carcinogens, and 3-5 times the tar, then why is it so healthy compared to cigarettes?
Its not obvious? What is found in cigarettes vs what is found in Marijuana? All the toxic shit cigarette makers put in their tobacco.
 

cool14001

Active Member
Well as long as you smoke good stuff, an everyday stoner probably doesn't smoke as much material (joint to cig) as a cigerette smoker. If you do, then the more power to you. Also, yeah cigarette companies put all kindsa stuff in their soil that's not very good, also they put stuff in the tobacco after. I've heard Filter's actually increase carcinogens. The companies also add chemicals that keeps the tobacco burning, You know how a cigarette burns all the way down even if not smoking it.
 

Lord Bluntmasta

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everything the smoke touches will eventually change color or get resin on it. There's a window with a fan in my room blowing outside and the screen beyond the fan has like this perfect circle of resin you can see when you take the fan away. I always wondered where does tar go? I mean if there's so much of it how the fuck does it fit in your lungs after a lifetime of smoking?

edit: a quick google search to sate my curiosity found that smoking tobacco damages your lungs ability to defend against outside things like dust which eventually cause problems such as lung cancer...perhaps marijuana doesn't have that effect and that's why it doesn't cause cancer? I dunno.

I'm also addicted to cigarettes...want to quit...I'm waiting for a time when it won't have such an effect on my life, craving all the time.

edit 2: I've noticed this for a long while but never mentioned it...how come every time the word marijuana is used in a post it automatically links to RIU? I mean, I'm already here :)
 

burlingo

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I'm also addicted to cigarettes...want to quit...I'm waiting for a time when it won't have such an effect on my life, craving all the time.

edit 2: I've noticed this for a long while but never mentioned it...how come every time the word marijuana is used in a post it automatically links to RIU? I mean, I'm already here :)
hi,

i do/did smoke cigs, but recently i've been questioning why?

they are not beneficial in any way, they actually kill you!

the only benefit you get is an artificial one, one that you created. that's the nicotine.

now i'm wanting to give up tobacco altogether, i've started exercising a lot more and i'm trying to get really healthy.

just imagine dying from smoking, what a waste. i don't want to have to live with any regrets. if i got ill from smoking.... i will regret doing it for the rest of my life.

just got to ask yourself is it really worth it?

but that's a presonal choice. i chose not to.

anyway...... i think marijuana gets linked to RIU everytime because you need no other resource. everything you need to know regarding marijuana can be found here. :blsmoke: from growing it, to toking it.
 

cool14001

Active Member
Alot of studies don't use good bud either. They get it from one of two federally approved grow ops. (one is in Mississippi at a University) These places have a descent bud at best maybe. Ive heard it is not up to par with what Cali clinics get.

Because of this lack of strains and quality, many scientists in today's world have tried getting access to a license that will allow them to grow their own crop for studies. All requests have been turned down by DEA. Without up to date studies on different strains and qualities, we can never really know the true effects (good and bad) that weed can have on different people with different needs from it. Shwag will have a high tar to thc ratio, so you have to smoke more pot to come close to the same highness level as some dank. Does anyone know of any studies comparing low grade, medium grade, and high grade pot?
 

gogrow

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edit 2: I've noticed this for a long while but never mentioned it...how come every time the word marijuana is used in a post it automatically links to RIU? I mean, I'm already here :)

because eventually.... we will be the only thing that comes up when you google "marijuana":hump:
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Ok so i did some research and found two answers that are different than one another. The one stated that a marijuana joint had 50% more carcinogen than a tabacco cig and 3-5 times the tar. While this study shows something alil different (atleast about the tar)

"yes unfortunatly marijuanna does have tar. anything you smoke has tar in it. But the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as carcinogenic as tobacco." or it contains 33% the amount of tar as tabacoo has in it. This is only a test of the bud not the leaf but who the hell smokes the leaf. this was also tested without the intervention of a bong. Also because of the psychoactive affects of cannabis (weed) you dont smoke as much. There has also been no document cases of lung cancer being directly linked to oral inhilation of cannabis. (keep in mind all these test were done in the late 70's). Bottom line Maijuana is good for the soul, and not near as bad for you as, say, smoking cigarettes. So smoke pot, and dont drive! Also the site with .edu is the acually valid, so if you want only information that has been completely validated go to that."

Got it from yahoo answers:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080512231337AAKlgXX

Qoute from the other page (written by a grad student):

"A joint contains about 50 percent more carcinogens and up to three to five times as much tar as a regular tobacco cigarette"

http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2007/07/17/MailCall/Marijuana.Does.Have.Consequences-2924221.shtml

THe tar and carcinogen test is a red herring, they tested the leaves of the cannabis plant... only school kids smoke leaves...and get high

Also waterpipes do NOT make weed any safer... if anything they increase the ratio of tar to canniboids, as the last is absorbed faster into water than the first...With the result that you need to smoke more, and b consume even more tar... Stick to joints and vapes.

I've been smokeing pot and driveing all my adult life... never caused me to get in accident or even receive a ticket for anything... The one accident I was in, I was totaly sober... I drive like crap sober...
 
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