Micro Closet growbox under contruction

AsbestosToast said:

Alright guys here is the promised pic update.

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Ah Thanks...!

This makes me being all opinionated and shit much easier... hahahaha....

AsbestosToast said:

Exhaust

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It looks real nice Toast... what size HPS?

And about that fan... have you run a full test with everything on and cooking in there..???

I have a feeling that your fan will just not have enough guts... especially if you are using a carbon filter...

Exhaust is a big deal... if you allow heat to build up...

Let me just say this... in my op, if I turn the fans off, I get 120F in less than 10 minutes...

There is NO WAY I could operate without very efficient ventilation...

You are in the same boat, even more so because your air mass is 1/523.257.463th of mine, so you will get hot that much quicker...

OK... so do you have a thermometer that can register the high and low of the day?

I suggest, if you haven't already done so... a test of the temp in there over 12 hours...

AsbestosToast said:

The box!

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It looks very clean Toast, we need to make it work FOR you now...

May I suggest a peek at this...

How do I make an ebb & flow

For a SOG op, you will be MUCH happier having your plants in pots...

There is another user about to switch and he has decided on plants no more than 15" high in 4" pots...

very similar space...

AsbestosToast said:

Possible idea...

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Clones will not do well rooting in 12/12...

They will root and they will bud, but SEVERELY stunted and totally NOT WORTH IT!!!!

AsbestosToast said:

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You need to be wishing for a boxful of these... ditch the big plant idea.. you do not have big space... notice how the bud is NOT fluffy on the bottom... that's because it was not in the shade....

AsbestosToast said:

P.S. The lamp isnt hooked on the last link of the chain, so there is more room than appears here.

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I think you have plenty of room... the thing is... how to utilize it without creating a "shade farm"...?

Short little lollipops, in small square pots @ 4/sqft... staggered anyway you like it...

Every two weeks is a good number for me... but not written in stone...

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What do you guys think?

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I think you will have a blast..!!!!

It may get hot, but I hope I am wrong... and if it does, we can fix it... no biggie...

Best of Luck mate...

A temp/humidity gauge is on my list, for sure. And as far as heat, with both fans running, there is a good amount of airflow you can feel with your hand throughout, and i was able to comfortably hold my hand about 5 inches from the bulb.

I was also considering scrogging to solve the 'shade farm' problem.

OH, and the HPS is a 150.

AsbestosToast said:

yeah if i set it up like that I would probably make the clone area its own little room, with a couple cfls. it would be super tight, thats for sure.

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If you choose to go with ebb n flow, cloning is done in RW cubes on a flat tray... no need for a big setup or special anything.. really..

I mean, You will need a light (cfl is fine), a horticultural heat mat ($30), the tray ($1.50) and the cubes ($8.5o for 45 cubes)...

Oh you will need water and a way to pH it to 5.5 and a DIGITAL SCALE so you can water the clone by weight... works relly good...

I used to hate RW until I figured out the weight technique by Al B. Fuct...

Now it's easy.. exact...

in an area that is 20"x 30" I am rooting 170+ clones...

So yeah, you could do it in a drawer if you can keep them from cooking...

Just my two cents...

And guys.. really just bear with me... today is going to be a really long day... I've been up since 3 am... it's not even noon and I am on pill #8

AsbestosToast said:

A temp/humidity gauge is on my list, for sure. And as far as heat, with both fans running, there is a good amount of airflow you can feel with your hand throughout, and i was able to comfortably hold my hand about 5 inches from the bulb.

I was also considering scrogging to solve the 'shade farm' problem.

OH, and the HPS is a 150.

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Heat will build up slowly... what may be fine at hour 3, may not be so fine at hour 9...

Only a full test, with everything on and the door shut can tell... sorry...

You can do whatever you like... but I am following a Lazy Stoner's Master Plan....

Scrogging is beautiful and very productive, but it is also a lot of work and I am lazy...

I want my op to work for me... not the other way around...

Scrogs are nice when you have room to walk around them... work at it from different angles...

You are talking about creating a nightmare.. you will not be able to work on it in there, so you will end up talking youself into removing it from the cab to work on it...

That's when the best cola gets broken off.. or something else MAY happen..

I go for the old keep it simple, stupid...

even Einstein says that things should be as complicated as they need to be, but no more...


go for easy, trust me...4" pots for 12"~15" @ 4/sqft and 1/4 ~ 1/2 oz each (cause you only have 150 watts you get a little less per plant)

clone your clones i like it!

GypsyBush said:

I know people who haven't cracked a seed or had a mom in a decade...

You have to get clones somewhere to start... seed... friends mom... whatever...

So say you need 30 clones each batch...

You "get" 30 clones... root them and keep them vegging for a little bit...

As soon as the are a little bigger, chop them all in half, and clone the tops you just took... and throw the rooted clones (now smaller again) into flower...

As you do this over and over, chances are you may end up with quite a few "double" clones.. instead of lollipops...

but thre is an easy solution to that... chop it... and if you have the need, clone it too... but chances are you will not need it, cause you already have more than you need... always...

it CAN work out that way anyways... not saying it is better or worse... just different.. and very suitable for someone doing just a few in a very small space with no room for moms...

Let me know if I made any sense...

I am not the sharpest pencil in the bucket right now...

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winkdogg420 said:

clone your clones i like it!

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Right... but it's neither my idea nor new...

I am just a copycat...

thats how we all learn!

with small plants i like the 4in 4 out a week thing nugs every week!!

keeps you busy!

winkdogg420 said:

keeps you busy!

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Keeps me STONED...lol...

Well I can fit two of those hydro units in there long ways, my ideal setup at this point would be to have a separate mother/clone box. I saw an amazing thread on another forum (rhymed with HI-C Mag) and this guy kept mothers in soil that were only like 4 inches tall. He only got so many cuttings, but I will only need like 4 a week if I go with gypsy's 4 in 4 out plan. I bet I can flower 8 lolipoped or 8 LSTed in that box, from clone instead of vegging them too long.

I could take a couple smaller rubbermaids and stack them to make a little mother/cloner bin. I could throw some CFL's in there, and keep maybe two mothers, 4 clones in there. Harvesting 4 plants a week would be crazy....

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Well I can fit two of those hydro units in there long ways, my ideal setup at this point would be to have a separate mother/clone box. I saw an amazing thread on another forum (rhymed with HI-C Mag) and this guy kept mothers in soil that were only like 4 inches tall. He only got so many cuttings, but I will only need like 4 a week if I go with gypsy's 4 in 4 out plan. I bet I can flower 8 lolipoped or 8 LSTed in that box, from clone instead of vegging them too long.

I could take a couple smaller rubbermaids and stack them to make a little mother/cloner bin. I could throw some CFL's in there, and keep maybe two mothers, 4 clones in there. Harvesting 4 plants a week would be crazy....

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Where you can fit 8 lollipops, you will not fit 8 LST or any other way....

Single colas allow for MAXIMUM crowding...

Any other style will require more room, but yield more per plant...

I say go with as many lollipops you can fit in there...

Get really good at the trim part and you will surprise yourself...

Go with what you know... but I'm telling you will not regret ebb flow lollipops in a small scale like that....

Use the rubbermaid totes to make the ebbflow...

I can fit 8x 6" pots.. these are moms, but you get the idea...

2 of those could fit 16x 6" pots or way more 4"~5" square pots...

Cheers...

I brought these over so you can have a better picture of what I am talking about...

Only problem being I need all the precious height I can get, I'm just afraid a setup with a whole res under them will take up too much space. It seems easy and cheap enough to build, only problem is I can't afford a whole lot, no matter how cheap, right now. I'm sure I will be modding and maybe even completely changing things once I start off, and get my feet wet.

You already have the totes...

a water pump ($10) and some hose ($5)... and you're in business...

even just one will give you 1 lollipop a week...

as for height...

I thought we established you had enough height...

I just looked again..

Bro, you got plenty of room...

If that is not what you want to do, that is fine...

But I say this...

Choose ONE METHOD and stick with it for at least 3 or 4 successful harvests before you modify the system...

One recipe at a time...

GypsyBush said:

I just looked again..

Bro, you got plenty of room...

If that is not what you want to do, that is fine...

But I say this...

Choose ONE METHOD and stick with it for at least 3 or 4 successful harvests before you modify the system...

One recipe at a time...

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building a grow box to go in a 18"l 40"h 23"w, whered you get your 150w hps kit, how many plants you fit in your box ours are similar size

I got a super good deal on my 150 from my local hydro store. And as far as plants, none yet =(. It's a slow, slow process on my end. Secrecy and money being an issue. Hey gypsy and all, what do you thing about taking a small portion of the box and sectioning it off for a bonsai mother and clones? Otherwise, I would have to make a separate container for them, which wouldn't be TOO big of a problem, but the power and everything is already hooked up to the box.