Michigan Medical Marijuana Act & Rules

In answer to your last question? Yes. It is too much. Especially as we truly get no protections or safety.

These silly rules are being written by the foxes. And the chickens just keep Gettin picked off.

I feel no protection either! Still looking forward to the day I wake up to freedom...and not the usual pay here, jump now, bend over...etc. The true fact is non of us lazy fucks would survive if people weren't paying you for your services. We all need to become friends and help self sustain without the assisstance of government!! Yes it sucks but we would all be poor

Dr. Bob said:

Sorry folks don't like the rule about records. Bottom line is those are the rules of the Act. I am not aware of a single person prosecuted for having a card on them, 12 plants in a secured/enclosed grow room, and less that 2.5 ounces. Nor am I aware of a single caregiver that grew as above for their 5 patients only and kept in their limits. The argument that the Act does not protect folks fully in compliance, as above, does not hold water. I've also seen court cases for successful section 8 defenses with the above folks that had a small error, like not having their card on them, or not having a fully secured/enclosed grow area. The card and the certification protected them.

Dr. Bob

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Sir are you sayin that the traverse narc team plays by the Rules?? Please don't

The key word there is prosecution,sir..when a grower buys his equipment back at the seziure sale and has never been charged?? where does the card help? Where did the courts help??

As far as attention of the( they named themselves not me>>>traverse narcotic teams...TNT) Narc's ??? Pissed of patient/spouse...and lets not forget they have compete access to LARA

Why is it always "pilot error" or in this case Grower error??? when these laws are just plan stupid.. any time LEO wants to they can find or make a way to spin this as our fault

Funny how someone who does not use or grow marijuana has more to say about it than anyone here. Seems like someone is here to cash in on the licensing and convince everyone he's here to support them. Have a nice day sir, don't forget..Delete..Respond..Smile!

Dr.Bob
I just read this on 420 Mag News and was wondering if you could shed some light on it.
This bill was said to be signed 12/29/2012 and will take effect in 90 days.

" No longer can someone with a felony be certified or be a caregiver." Felony/caregiver I knew about.
Also, If I have my card when this new law takes effect will I be grandfathered in until my card expires ?
I am not a caregiver I just grow for myself.
Thanks Doc. and Happy New year to you and yours.

good at least some of us can still help others for a little longer

Yes, I knew if you had a felony you could not be a caregiver and that has been in the bill sense it became law. What twisted the chain in my shorts was the guy that grows for himself and, has a felony would not be able to grow any longer.
The chicken shit felony that I was awarded was just to increase revenue. I got the plate stickers mixed up on my two vehicles.
Doc. I will look into this when I can get to a computer that will down load Michigan.gov
Thanks for your help.
sod.

sonofdust said:

Yes, I knew if you had a felony you could not be a caregiver and that has been in the bill sense it became law. What twisted the chain in my shorts was the guy that grows for himself and, has a felony would not be able to grow any longer.
The chicken shit felony that I was awarded was just to increase revenue. I got the plate stickers mixed up on my two vehicles.
Doc. I will look into this when I can get to a computer that will down load Michigan.gov
Thanks for your help.
sod.

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Got another thing cleared up. It is 10 years from date of conviction, not end of sentence for the non-violent felonies (like switching plate stickers). You can always grow for yourself. Only question was being a caregiver for others.

Dr. Bob

The weedvine has it that with the change in the motor vehicle code allowing locked transport. Allows anyone to transport meds that are properly locked. Not just patients and caregivers.
Any truth?

How could swapping stickers on a plate be a felony?

And is it a felony in the state if Michigan or any state?

Corso312 said:

And is it a felony in the state if Michigan or any state?

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THIS is a very pertinent question for me as 13 years ago I picked up a west coast violent felony that I plead to (young and scared).

HomeLessBeans said:

The weedvine has it that with the change in the motor vehicle code allowing locked transport. Allows anyone to transport meds that are properly locked. Not just patients and caregivers.
Any truth?

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Are you suggesting that if it is locked you don't need a card as a patient or caregiver... you mean ANYONE can do it?

If so, no. The rules have to do with how it is transported by those allowed to possess it under the MMMA. If you are talking having a relative bring you meds in a locked box, if they did not have access (ie a key or the combination) MAYBE you could get that to fly if the circumstances were right and you had a very good lawyer for them, but seems a bit iffy.

Dr. Bob

Usernamewastaken said:

THIS is a very pertinent question for me as 13 years ago I picked up a west coast violent felony that I plead to (young and scared).

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Yup, similiar with me 15 years ago...was thinking of just trying n see how diligent there search is.

Dr. Bob said:

Are you suggesting that if it is locked you don't need a card as a patient or caregiver... you mean ANYONE can do it?

If so, no. The rules have to do with how it is transported by those allowed to possess it under the MMMA. If you are talking having a relative bring you meds in a locked box, if they did not have access (ie a key or the combination) MAYBE you could get that to fly if the circumstances were right and you had a very good lawyer for them, but seems a bit iffy.

Dr. Bob

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Dr Bob: hoping you can shed some light.

Future scenario: If I am my own caregiver, with no patients registered to me and I've grown more than I can legally store (more than 2.5 oz). What are the options on what I can do with the overage?

i was thinking about offering the overge to dispensaries. Am I aloud to transport more than my 2.5 oz and if so, what steps do I have to take to remain legal during transport?


thanks!

UN

Corso312 said:

Yup, similiar with me 15 years ago...was thinking of just trying n see how diligent there search is.

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if you could let me know the outcome I would really appreciate it man.

Dr. Bob said:

Are you suggesting that if it is locked you don't need a card as a patient or caregiver... you mean ANYONE can do it?

If so, no. The rules have to do with how it is transported by those allowed to possess it under the MMMA. If you are talking having a relative bring you meds in a locked box, if they did not have access (ie a key or the combination) MAYBE you could get that to fly if the circumstances were right and you had a very good lawyer for them, but seems a bit iffy.

Dr. Bob

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I am saying that whatever TPB's intention was that by amending the vehicle code they opened that door. In 'our' stupid assed law it may require a P/CG. Not in the Michigan vehicle laws.

Usernamewastaken said:

Dr Bob: hoping you can shed some light.

Future scenario: If I am my own caregiver, with no patients registered to me and I've grown more than I can legally store (more than 2.5 oz). What are the options on what I can do with the overage?

i was thinking about offering the overge to dispensaries. Am I aloud to transport more than my 2.5 oz and if so, what steps do I have to take to remain legal during transport?


thanks!

UN

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Ok, I'll take my best, non-lawyer, shot at it.

1. Don't have overages. Plan to stay in limits.
2. If you do have overages, make oil to reduce the weight.
3. If you MUST transfer it to someone else, take NO money or consideration of any kind, make sure whoever you transfer to would be a very sympathetic face for the jury, like an elderly cancer patients. For free because you are simply helping a fellow patient in need.
4. Keep any FREE transfer you make to less than the amount you are both allowed to possess, so you don't have more than 2.5 oz, and they don't have more than 2.5 oz.
5. Start the process to make them your official, registered patient.

Do Not SELL (transfer + compensation) to ANYONE that is not your registry connected patient. Oh, and when you do transport, put it in a locked container in the trunk. You can get a cool little closet safe at Walmart for about 15 bucks. I have one I carry and secure it to the truck with a bike lock.

Dr. Bob

HomeLessBeans said:

I am saying that whatever TPB's intention was that by amending the vehicle code they opened that door. In 'our' stupid assed law it may require a P/CG. Not in the Michigan vehicle laws.

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You are neglecting the obvious. The base law is the PHC and under it cannabis is illegal to possess. There is no need to put that in the motor vehicle code. Unless you have an exception under the MMMA, you just can't have it to begin with. This is not a loophole.

The argument is akin to saying since the motor vehicle code doesn't specify you can't murder someone, that somehow opens the door to making it ok to do drive by shootings. Or saying it is ok to possess a machine gun if you lock it in the trunk like any other firearm.

Dr. Bob