Medium pH Correction (Soil and Coco)

Renfro

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Checking and adjusting the pH of your root zone in soil or coco is a very important part of growing healthy plants. Often you will notice nutrient deficiencies despite the fact you know you have provided an ample feed at an appropriate pH level. When this happens it’s generally either unhealthy roots or something going on in the medium locking out the nutrients. This could be a salt buildup or it can be a pH related issue.

Runoff testing is unreliable and bad information is often worse than no information. Testing soil pH should be done with a reliable digital soil pH pen. The cheap analog meters with the long metal probe are not good for pH measurements, they are good for moisture and that it. You should test all plants as they are not always the same, do not rely on one test for all plants. I am showing an example of a correction on a plant that was off and showing signs of nutrient uptake issues.

For starters the medium is DNA Mills Coco Cork and I have found it likes to be at 6.5 (I know). The plant is a Romulan cut that I was given and was tossed into flower right at flip as an afterthought. The normal feed pH is 6.5 and each 10 gallon pot gets 2.5 gallons of water, currently every 8 hours for most plants including this one (she drinks).

I tested the coco and the starting number of 5.74 (too low for me).

6.5 minus 5.74 = 7.26. I adjusted my next feed accordingly and it measured 7.25.

5 minutes after feeding I tested again and the pH is at 6.71.

2 hours after feeding it tested at 6.62

6 hours after feeding it tested at 6.38

It generally drifts back down some and ends up a little below 6.5. The following feed is then adjusted as needed to walk it onto target range. If the situation persists then the medium may have some sort of pH buffer that’s slow release and you may have to combat this the whole grow.

The soil pH meter can also be used to detect your daily pH swings and use them to your advantage. Lets say you want 6.3 - 6.8. If you water at 6.8 and it drifts down to 6.3 between the next watering then thats great! If you started at 6.5 not so much as you end up at 6.1 (seen it happen). Not everyone's soil will have a pH swing, more beneficial bacteria seems to make the pH move around more but it's good to know if you do and use it to your advantage.

Images in the following post. FWIW I meant to put this in the General Growing section but messed up lol.
 
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PadawanWarrior

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Checking and adjusting the pH of your root zone in soil or coco is a very important part of growing healthy plants. Often you will notice nutrient deficiencies despite the fact you know you have provided an ample feed at an appropriate pH level. When this happens it’s generally either unhealthy roots or something going on in the medium locking out the nutrients. This could be a salt buildup or it can be a pH related issue.

Runoff testing is unreliable and bad information is often worse than no information. Testing soil pH should be done with a reliable digital soil pH pen. The cheap analog meters with the long metal probe are not good for pH measurements, they are good for moisture and that it. You should test all plants as they are not always the same, do not rely on one test for all plants. I am showing an example of a correction on a plant that was off and showing signs of nutrient uptake issues.

For starters the medium is DNA Mills Coco Cork and I have found it likes to be at 6.5 (I know). The plant is a Romulan cut that I was given and was tossed into flower right at flip as an afterthought. The normal feed pH is 6.5 and each 10 gallon pot gets 2.5 gallons of water, currently every 8 hours for most plants including this one (she drinks).

I tested the coco and the starting number of 5.74 (too low for me).

6.5 minus 5.74 = 7.26. I adjusted my next feed accordingly and it measured 7.25.

5 minutes after feeding I tested again and the pH is at 6.71.

2 hours after feeding it tested at 6.62

6 hours after feeding it tested at 6.38

It generally drifts back down some and ends up a little below 6.5. The following feed is then adjusted as needed to walk it onto target range. If the situation persists then the medium may have some sort of pH buffer that’s slow release and you may have to combat this the whole grow.

The soil pH meter can also be used to detect your daily pH swings and use them to your advantage. Lets say you want 6.3 - 6.8. If you water at 6.8 and it drifts down to 6.3 between the next watering then thats great! If you started at 6.5 not so much as you end up at 6.1 (seen it happen). Not everyone's soil will have a pH swing, more beneficial bacteria seems to make the pH move around more but it's good to know if you do and use it to your advantage.

Images in the following post. FWIW I meant to put this in the General Growing section but messed up lol.
I'll be following this thread. I know I will learn something, haha.
 

dandyrandy

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I use promix and use dolomite lime to get me up in the 6's for ph before I'm starting the cycle. It seems the newer promix was coming in at 4.9ish. I didn't want to use pH up or down to move it so much. I need the calcium and mag anyway. I've also found it will be slightly different depending where you stick the probe. Make sure you mix thoroughly. Water and wait a few days and mix. Ready for planting now. ymmv
 

Nizza

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I have been using a normal ph meter (the one with the glass bulb) from bluelab
Doing a "slurry" test, is how i've been monitoring the soil pH right now.
How much easier is it to use the soil pH probe? I have thought about getting one but if its only going to save me a few minutes and is the same as a slurry test , I will save my money for other stuff

what do you think?

Also I use my PPM meter when I slurry test for an idea of how my soil is doing . Any recommendations on this? I usually just up the strength by 25% every watering and then at 100% I follow up with 0% again . aiming for about 10% runoff
 
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Renfro

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I didn't want to use pH up or down to move it so much
I wanted to get it fixed quickly. With each adjusted feeding the swing gets smaller until it's within parameters. Usually within 2 or 3 feeds I can take something that was a whole pH number off and get it to swing only .3 or .4 and it's in the happy zone. Also this way you do get a full swing through the good pH range with the first feed. The plants react fast with happy growth. You notice it a lot in veg.
 

Renfro

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I’m having the same issue . Any suggestions on lowering my ph . It organic aswell!
Phosphoric acid. Grab a bottle of pH down, doesn't matter what brand. I use Advanced because it's more concentrated than the GH buffer, but for smaller amounts of nutrients the GH is easier to not over do it. Another way is to top dress with aluminum sulfate but it takes more time to have effect and it's sorta a guessing game.

What meter are you using to check the soil pH? What is the soil pH at? Are the plants unhappy? I've never grown organic but I am told that the pH doesn't matter so much with organics, don't know how much truth there is to that.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Phosphoric acid. Grab a bottle of pH down, doesn't matter what brand. I use Advanced because it's more concentrated than the GH buffer, but for smaller amounts of nutrients the GH is easier to not over do it. Another way is to top dress with aluminum sulfate but it takes more time to have effect and it's sorta a guessing game.

What meter are you using to check the soil pH? What is the soil pH at? Are the plants unhappy? I've never grown organic but I am told that the pH doesn't matter so much with organics, don't know how much truth there is to that.
Since I'm growing organic, I'm trying to stay away from the chemicals. You are right though that the pH isn't as important growing in soil with the microbes that help buffer the pH, but they can only do so much I've realized. I seriously doubt I'm telling you anything you don't already know, lol. You know your shit.
 

Jaycam

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I’ve just picked up a 2 prong soil reader and it’s sitting high 7 . It’s funny cause I use ocean forest organic soil and never ph my water but for some reason I started to notice notice a change from from a dark green leaves to a lighter green “not yellow “ so I thought I would ph the water and it seemed to like it but 2 days later the leaves are turning brown and starting to dry up !
 

Renfro

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I’ve just picked up a 2 prong soil reader and it’s sitting high 7
Those little cheapy meters are not good for pH measurements in my experience. I have seen them read the exact opposite of what my Apera, bluelab or even a soil test kit reads. They are only good for moisture readings IMO.

I started to notice notice a change from from a dark green leaves to a lighter green “not yellow “ so I thought I would ph the water and it seemed to like it but 2 days later the leaves are turning brown and starting to dry up !
Did the yellowing start at the bottom and work upwards? If so then the soil may have run out of nitrogen. If you water organics to the point that you get runoff you are washing out the soils nutrients, I dunno if that happened. How long have they been in the pots with the soil? Usually around 45 days you start to see the nutrients become a little depleted unless you amended or potted up adding more soil.
 
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