Medieval peasants got a lot more vacation time than you

Fungus Gnat

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Life for the medieval peasant was certainly no picnic. His life was shadowed by fear of famine, disease and bursts of warfare. His diet and personal hygiene left much to be desired. But despite his reputation as a miserable wretch, you might envy him one thing: his vacations.
Plowing and harvesting were backbreaking toil, but the peasant enjoyed anywhere from eight weeks to half the year off. The Church, mindful of how to keep a population from rebelling, enforced frequent mandatory holidays. Weddings, wakes and births might mean a week off quaffing ale to celebrate, and when wandering jugglers or sporting events came to town, the peasant expected time off for entertainment. There were labor-free Sundays, and when the plowing and harvesting seasons were over, the peasant got time to rest, too. In fact, economist Juliet Shor found that during periods of particularly high wages, such as 14th-century England, peasants might put in no more than 150 days a year.
As for the modern American worker? After a year on the job, she gets an average of eight vacation days annually.
It wasn’t supposed to turn out this way: John Maynard Keynes, one of the founders of modern economics, made a famous prediction that by 2030, advanced societies would be wealthy enough that leisure time, rather than work, would characterize national lifestyles. So far, that forecast is not looking good.
What happened?
http://nypost.com/2013/09/04/medieval-peasants-got-a-lot-more-vacation-time-than-you-economist/
[video=youtube;5Xd_zkMEgkI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI[/video]
 

heckler73

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I like the closing line about politicians and their vacation lengths, even though it is misleading.

However, nothing will change the form of capitalism we use short of some grand, philosophical epiphany of the masses in regards to distribution of resources. Hubbert and his Technocracy group were onto the right idea, but fears of Communist boogie-men cut that movement off in a hurry.
 

Trousers

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I get plenty of vacation time.

The life expectancy of a peasant was less than 30 years. They did not have ipods.
they could be killed by their lords with out repercussions

Anyone who would wish to live back then, deserves to.
 

Trousers

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I like the closing line about politicians and their vacation lengths, even though it is misleading.

However, nothing will change the form of capitalism we use short of some grand, philosophical epiphany of the masses in regards to distribution of resources. Hubbert and his Technocracy group were onto the right idea, but fears of Communist boogie-men cut that movement off in a hurry.
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Stupid bitch



Blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.
 

Dr Kynes

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[video=youtube;5Xd_zkMEgkI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI[/video]
NOPE. NOT EVEN CLOSE

life in agriculture is NOT full of vacation times.

the peasants and serfs work nearly half the year FOR THEIR LIEGE, the remaining time was spent trying to provide for their survival during the winter,, not lolling about on the beach sipping mai tais and watching Sex And The City.

it is also important to note that from spring planting to autumn harvest the Leige anfd The Church got most of the products produced by the peasants labours,, while the peasants were allowed to keep what they could scrabble together in the rain snow and frost of the lean times.

even life on a modern mechanized farm is not 6 months of work followed by six months of laying about in luxury. only the New York Times could believe that nonsense.
city slickers dont know shit.
all year long,, cows gotta be milked, livestock of all sorts must be fed, water must be drawn, dray animals must be groomed, firewood must be cut, collected and split, tools must be repaired and serviced, buildings must be repaired, roofs have to be fixed, etc etc etc.

work on a farm doesnt STOP between plowing and harvest, or between harvest and plowing, those two times are just the MOST labour intensive in a generally labour intensive life.
even a modern farm provides very little leisure time, even if you have many hired hands.
 

heckler73

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Blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.
This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. So, I shall chortle in response!!!

CHORTLE!

Don't forget, talk like a Pirate day is coming up soon! So git ye scallywags 'n poopdecks in order, land lubber! ya haaaargh!
 

UncleBuck

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NOPE. NOT EVEN CLOSE

life in agriculture is NOT full of vacation times.

the peasants and serfs work nearly half the year FOR THEIR LIEGE, the remaining time was spent trying to provide for their survival during the winter,, not lolling about on the beach sipping mai tais and watching Sex And The City.

it is also important to note that from spring planting to autumn harvest the Leige anfd The Church got most of the products produced by the peasants labours,, while the peasants were allowed to keep what they could scrabble together in the rain snow and frost of the lean times.

even life on a modern mechanized farm is not 6 months of work followed by six months of laying about in luxury. only the New York Times could believe that nonsense.
city slickers dont know shit.
all year long,, cows gotta be milked, livestock of all sorts must be fed, water must be drawn, dray animals must be groomed, firewood must be cut, collected and split, tools must be repaired and serviced, buildings must be repaired, roofs have to be fixed, etc etc etc.

work on a farm doesnt STOP between plowing and harvest, or between harvest and plowing, those two times are just the MOST labour intensive in a generally labour intensive life.
even a modern farm provides very little leisure time, even if you have many hired hands.
oh, how cute.

you still think most farms operate like they did 40-60 years ago.

modern mechanized farming has farmers twiddling their thumbs even as the crops are growing.

green acres is dead.
 

UncleBuck

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this is for you kynes.

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lots of upstanding white folk and old timey, down home farm life.

enjoy, you missed the boat by a few decades.
 

thetester

Active Member
And if one crop failed, everyone died. It may be true that a medieval serf was idle more days out of the year than an average working American, but the rest of their lives were absolute shit. Fuck that man, I'm happy with my 40 hours a week and what vacation days I get. No way would I trade my bullshit job for medieval serfdom.
 
oh, how cute.

you still think most farms operate like they did 40-60 years ago.

modern mechanized farming has farmers twiddling their thumbs even as the crops are growing.

green acres is dead.

What planet is this on?

On Earth, people still have to spend 12 hours a day for 3 days hauling hay up into their loft. They still have to use their tractors to plow. They still have to tend livestock and maintain equipment. Nothing has changed. There are no robots. Where is the cotton gin of our generation that has allowed all this thumb twiddling I hear about?

Anybody who thinks life as a farmer is easy has absolutely no first hand experience. I've never worked harder in my life than I have on a farm.
 

Dr Kynes

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What planet is this on?

On Earth, people still have to spend 12 hours a day for 3 days hauling hay up into their loft. They still have to use their tractors to plow. They still have to tend livestock and maintain equipment. Nothing has changed. There are no robots. Where is the cotton gin of our generation that has allowed all this thumb twiddling I hear about?

Anybody who thinks life as a farmer is easy has absolutely no first hand experience. I've never worked harder in my life than I have on a farm.
nahhh!!! thats totally a lie, a guy who never worked in agriculture said so, therefore it must be true.

farm labourers spend all their time lounging around in the shade till they hear a car driving by, then they scramble out to the fields trying to look busy!

plus, once you put a seed in the ground it's totally time for a few months in St Barts till the harvest, then it's off to the bahamas once the crop is in, the machines take care of everything else.

farmers are also incredibly wealthy too.

i planted a silver dime last year, once my Money Tree starts producing ill be on easy street.
 

MuyLocoNC

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nahhh!!! thats totally a lie, a guy who never worked in agriculture said so, therefore it must be true.

farm labourers spend all their time lounging around in the shade till they hear a car driving by, then they scramble out to the fields trying to look busy!

plus, once you put a seed in the ground it's totally time for a few months in St Barts till the harvest, then it's off to the bahamas once the crop is in, the machines take care of everything else.

farmers are also incredibly wealthy too.

i planted a silver dime last year, once my Money Tree starts producing ill be on easy street.
You have to remember that UB is the definitive expert on whatever topic is under discussion. This is achieved by the mere fact that he deigned to grace the subject with a fleeting moment of his attention and/or he read something, somewhere about it. Winning!
 

UncleBuck

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so i guess the farmers themselves are lying about things.

any of you guys bother to watch king corn?

i'm not talking about old family farms here, i'm talking about your truly modern, mechanized farms.*

i guess i'm stupid for believing what actual farmers have to say, rather than wannabes like kynes who keeps saving his pennies for a farm that doesn't even exist, poor duped guy he is.
 
so i guess the farmers themselves are lying about things.

any of you guys bother to watch king corn?

i'm not talking about old family farms here, i'm talking about your truly modern, mechanized farms.*

i guess i'm stupid for believing what actual farmers have to say, rather than wannabes like kynes who keeps saving his pennies for a farm that doesn't even exist, poor duped guy he is.
Just when I couldn't believe somebody would post what you originally did, you follow up with "I saw it on TV". I'm new around here, but it seems to me that your whole point of posting anything in these forums is simply to belittle people. Nearly every post I've seen you make, you are calling people names.

You and I both (along with everyone else) know kynes was talking about farming in general, not subsidized corn. You just wanted to be condescending.

The fact remains that nothing has significantly changed on farms since the introduction of the electric well pump and the tractor 100 years ago, and that it remains to be extremely hard work.
 

UncleBuck

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You and I both (along with everyone else) know kynes was talking about farming in general, not subsidized corn.
LOL!

subsidized corn, wheat, and soybeans is the vast majority of the farming that goes on in the US.

a small handful of farms account for nearly 3/4 of production and sales.

the days of the old family farm are gone.
 

Dr Kynes

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The threads not even about modern farms...
thats right, the thread is about agricultural labourers in the middle ages, who, the OP and NYTimes assert were living a life of ease, despite that life of ease being entirely fictional, even on modern farms with modern machinery.

you see, if you cannot live the life of riley on 500 acres with tractors, milking machines, electric pumps, combines, steel plows etc etc etc, how could a midieval peasant, with NONE of that, using wooden plowing sticks yoked to oxen, surrendering 2/3 to 3/4 of his product to his liege, and still trying to keep his wife and kid alive through the winter be anything but a FICTION?

bullshit stinks across the ages, and the OP story is pure bullshit.
 
LOL!

subsidized corn, wheat, and soybeans is the vast majority of the farming that goes on in the US.

a small handful of farms account for nearly 3/4 of production and sales.

the days of the old family farm are gone.
There are over 2 million farms in America. Corn wheat or soy are produced my many of them, sure. But it's a collective effort, not a handful of farms. And the vast majority of those 2 million farms are run the same way there were run 100 years ago. Why can't you understand that? How many farms have you set foot on?

But yeah.. if you say the family farms are gone, sure. I suppose that means my family farm doesn't exist. We never grew things like corn or cotton on our modest 100 acres. Nope. We left that to your handful of robotic super farms because most people enjoy back breaking work instead of laying around. So do the neighbors. And the entire town. Towns, I should say. They just produce crops 'the hard way' then burn them down after harvest. Wake up, man. There's more to it than what you've seen on TV.

My experience is by no means unique here. Farming is hard fucking work and I can't believe somebody could sit behind a computer and say otherwise because they saw something on TV. It's insulting.

If you said these things to 10 farmers, 10 of them would laugh. Additionally, you would likely get punched by at least one of them.
 
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