Maybe someone remembers this. (NDE related)

I remember someone posting about a study of NDE's a while ago. It was a study that highlighted the subjectivity of NDE's (If I remember correctly.). I can't recall if it was a thread starter or a post buried in a thread. In light of this, I figured I'd ask if anyone could recall it. The subject of NDE's came up in my philosophy class, and I remember it seemed to offer a good objective perspective.

Never had one but listen to C2CAM, they always have someone talking about it. Too many experience it not to have some truth to it.

BarnBuster said:

Never had one but listen to C2CAM, they always have someone talking about it. Too many experience it not to have some truth to it.

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They happen, but the truth of relevance is debatable. Correlation may be there, but I'm not seeing a sigular god popping up. Sorry, I should have clarifiec; the subject involved the divine relevance of NDE's.

Padawanbater2 said:

I've found that the search function on RIU is pretty bad, you get more hits if you just use Google, I'd try something like "Near death experiences rollitup.org", you'll probably have an easier time finding what you're looking for

What did your philosophy class have to say about it?

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I'd like to know this as well

https://www.rollitup.org/support/650493-faq-check-here-first-updated.html search bar help!

You know when you dream sometimes, you look at the clock right before you go to bed and it says 10:37... you have a long intricate dream that seems like it lasts for hours when you wake up and realize that its, 10:38? It's said there is about 7 min of brain activity when you die. Who knows what wild dreams your brain may have when your heart stops and your organs stop working. Who knows, you could live a whole life just to wake up and forget it all happened, kinda like how we sometimes can't remember our dreams in this life, yet we all know we still have them even if we can't remember them. Kinda neat.

Padawanbater2 said:

I've found that the search function on RIU is pretty bad, you get more hits if you just use Google, I'd try something like "Near death experiences rollitup.org", you'll probably have an easier time finding what you're looking for

What did your philosophy class have to say about it?

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It was a side note that came up. There's some that think they have significance beyond the dreamer. To me, it seemed more dependent on prior experiences; you're going to see whatever god someone brought you up to see. I tried the google search earlier but it returned nothing. I'm really disappointed by this class. It's been a class on western philosophy with me constantly having to hear Christians in the class bitch about how everything aside from Christianity is just designed to " avoid being accountable to a higher power". I kid you not, every time a philosophy contradics their faith; that's their go-to statement. Even when people try to engage them in an objective analysis of their religion, it gets dodged. I actually thought this class was going to be fun.

Zaehet Strife said:

You know when you dream sometimes, you look at the clock right before you go to bed and it says 10:37... you have a long intricate dream that seems like it lasts for hours when you wake up and realize that its, 10:38? It's said there is about 7 min of brain activity when you die. Who knows what wild dreams your brain may have when your heart stops and your organs stop working. Who knows, you could live a whole life just to wake up and forget it all happened, kinda like how we sometimes can't remember our dreams in this life, yet we all know we still have them even if we can't remember them. Kinda neat.

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That was the thrust of my point. Sadly, I didn't think to word it like this at the time.

kpmarine said:

It was a side note that came up. There's some that think they have significance beyond the dreamer. To me, it seemed more dependent on prior experiences; you're going to see whatever god someone brought you up to see. I tried the google search earlier but it returned nothing. I'm really disappointed by this class. It's been a class on western philosophy with me constantly having to hear Christians in the class bitch about how everything aside from Christianity is just designed to " avoid being accountable to a higher power". I kid you not, every time a philosophy contradics their faith; that's their go-to statement. Even when people try to engage them in an objective analysis of their religion, it gets dodged. I actually thought this class was going to be fun.

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Take initiative, use the Socratic method in order to catch them contradicting themselves.

PetFlora said:

Here's the problem with NDEs... we are in a matrix where each of our programming is in folders to be opened when/as needed. They simply review what you believe and present a NDE that matches your programming, so if you believe in Jesus, God Buddha, Muhammad.... that is the NDE you will have, so you can tell others.

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And how did you come to this conclusion? Was there some form of evidence that I could examine for myself, or is this wishful thinking and assertion?

PetFlora said:

Evidence if the matrix is all around you. If you ever figure that out, the rest is easy

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I should at least be able to choose the red pill.

But seriously, if there is actual evidence, you should be able to outline some of it so we can investigate for ourselves.

Zaehet Strife said:

Take initiative, use the Socratic method in order to catch them contradicting themselves.

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There's a problem with that. It's an online class, and it's just become a giant circle jerk. Every time I question someone, they just pretend like I never posted a response.

kpmarine said:

There's a problem with that. It's an online class, and it's just become a giant circle jerk. Every time I question someone, they just pretend like I never posted a response.

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oh ok, i thought it was in school, not online, my bad.

Zaehet Strife said:

oh ok, i thought it was in school, not online, my bad.

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This class sucks online. I thought the ability to have a discussion without face-to-face contact might encourage people to get a bit more involved in the discussions. Kind of how it's easier to write a letter than to tell someone they're wrong in person. It just became a circle of people patting each other on the back and ignoring anything contradictory. Heed my warning people of RIU: online philosophy classes suck.

Beefbisquit said:

And how did you come to this conclusion? Was there some form of evidence that I could examine for myself, or is this wishful thinking and assertion?

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Without all this matrix metaphor of reality mumbo jumbo mix, i think what he says can make sense in a logical way if you carefully pick through the ideology. Our brains are like hard drives, we take information in... the more information of one type we download, that's what we'll probably think about the most. Religion is one of the biggest things that influences our lives, the way we act, and the thoughts that we have.

I think depending on how intense our feelings and emotions are about a certain subject, would definitely have an effect on the dreams our brains have when our bodies are deemed clinically dead, as our major organs other than our brains shut down... the brain is the last to go. If we are christians, it would be more likely that we would dream about a bright light, or heaven, or hell... depending on our emotional state at the time of death and on a subconscious level. The same with any other religion, even new age religions having a dream we are floating outside of our body (watching) imagining we are seeing the doctors work on our body to keep it alive.

The same can be said about dreams without our organs shutting down, when we normally fall asleep and dream. Depending on what has happened throughout the day and how it effect us, our emotional state and what we experienced that day will have an effect on the dreams we have when we fall asleep that night. A lot of times you can make a connection of some things that happen in your dreams and how your waking life had an effect on it's outcome or the way the dream panned out.

I think it's easy to understand how people associate NDE experiences as the real thing rather than a dream. Just take into consideration the correlation between sleep paralysis and alien abductions. You aren't really being abducted even though it really feels like it, you're just in a state where you are half awake half asleep, an unnatural state which is very scary and unfamiliar to say the least.

It's very easy for our brains to think that what happened in our dream reality was actual reality when it can sometimes feel just as real as waking life... so i guess i can't blame them. I just wish people could at least attempt to look at it in a different way rather than convincing themselves of something that may be completely different than what really happened.

On a side note, PetFlora... i think people would be more apt to be less condescending of your replies if you tone it down a notch on the matrix metaphores, don't get me wrong those movies were fucking bad ass, and super awesome ideas spawned from that. But for realzy yo, eeeaaasy cheezy... eeaaasy.

You know how I can tell we're not in the Matrix? If we were, the food would be better.

~Sheldon Cooper

kpmarine said:

It was a side note that came up. There's some that think they have significance beyond the dreamer. To me, it seemed more dependent on prior experiences; you're going to see whatever god someone brought you up to see. I tried the google search earlier but it returned nothing. I'm really disappointed by this class. It's been a class on western philosophy with me constantly having to hear Christians in the class bitch about how everything aside from Christianity is just designed to " avoid being accountable to a higher power". I kid you not, every time a philosophy contradics their faith; that's their go-to statement. Even when people try to engage them in an objective analysis of their religion, it gets dodged. I actually thought this class was going to be fun.

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Are you taking a philosophy class right now?
That was my favorite part of the classes, especially intro; seeing the people rocked at their foundation because someone has presented and argued an idea that goes completely against what they believe; usually that there is not God. The really cool part is when some of the ones that start having the spiritual crisis are actually interested in finding truth and realize that their faith may not infact be right. Regardless of whether they change their views or not, I love seeing people questioning everything they have ever believed. I was there once and it was AMAZING!

*** Oh sorry, I didn't finish reading all the posts before I posted this one.

Here's the problem with NDEs... we are in a matrix where each of our programming is in folders to be opened when/as needed. They simply review what you believe and present a NDE that matches your programming, so if you believe in Jesus, God Buddha, Muhammad.... that is the NDE you will have, so you can tell others.

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This just isn't so. We still don't know exactly how the brain works, but science doesn't acknowledge the existence of a "matrix". There are a few popular models that explain near death experiences and none of them need anything other than your brain (and a few adrenal glands) to be a satisfactory answer. You just don't need God or a matrix to have an adequate explanation of NDEs.

Zaehet my friend:

Without all this matrix metaphor of reality mumbo jumbo mix, i think what he says can make sense in a logical way if you carefully pick through the ideology. Our brains are like hard drives, we take information in... the more information of one type we download, that's what we'll probably think about the most. Religion is one of the biggest things that influences our lives, the way we act, and the thoughts that we have.

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I have a feeling that everyone will have a very similar experience when the brain begins to shut down. IMO it is only AFTER they have regained consciousness that they connect their experience with anything religious; the religious experience happens after the fact. What do you think?