Math Doesn't Suck, YOU DO!

I am dyslexic. I process information differently than someone who is not dyslexic. Mathematics was always a challenge for me in school and eventually led to me dropping out. The problem wasn't that I couldn't do the work, the problem was that I couldn't do the work as expected. I would usually be able to solve the problem or answer the question but I couldn't always explain how I came by the answer. This is a real problem in math. The method used is often given as much weight as the answer.

Intelligence is not the problem here; I was awarded A's in all subjects except for the math classes, I was co-captain of varsity soccer, I sang in the school choir and accompanied them on piano much of the time. The ass-clown who wrote the original rant that started this thread is really fucking wrong about the main thrust of his argument. The ass clowns partner, Pad, is equally wrong for posting it. Fuck you both. Grow up a little and you'll realize that some people are wired differently. Oh did I mention fuck you both?

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jessy koons said:
I am dyslexic. I process information differently than someone who is not dyslexic. Mathematics was always a challenge for me in school and eventually led to me dropping out. The problem wasn't that I couldn't do the work, the problem was that I couldn't do the work as expected. I would usually be able to solve the problem or answer the question but I couldn't always explain how I came by the answer. This is a real problem in math. The method used is often given as much weight as the answer.

Intelligence is not the problem here; I was awarded A's in all subjects except for the math classes, I was co-captain of varsity soccer, I sang in the school choir and accompanied them on piano much of the time. The ass-clown who wrote the original rant that started this thread is really fucking wrong about the main thrust of his argument. The ass clowns partner, Pad, is equally wrong for posting it. Fuck you both. Grow up a little and you'll realize that some people are wired differently. Oh did I mention fuck you both?

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Then it's not your fault. If you honestly can't learn math then the "ass clown" didn't mean you.. He means the lazy dumbasses who say they absolutely can'twhen in reality, they can easily do it. And anyways, I'm pretty sure you COULD be a mathematical genius if you tried hard enough, instead you dropped out. You say you were intelligent enough to be a musician and get A's in your other classes, so what stopped you in math? And don't you know math has a billion methods to solving problems? Your method wasn't wrong if it gave you the right answers, you just gave up on it.

And pad isn't the ass clown here, you are.. As long as you're not mentally retarded, then you have the brain capacity to become a genius. Which is really inspiring.
 
jessy koons said:
I am dyslexic. I process information differently than someone who is not dyslexic. Mathematics was always a challenge for me in school and eventually led to me dropping out. The problem wasn't that I couldn't do the work, the problem was that I couldn't do the work as expected. I would usually be able to solve the problem or answer the question but I couldn't always explain how I came by the answer. This is a real problem in math. The method used is often given as much weight as the answer.

Intelligence is not the problem here; I was awarded A's in all subjects except for the math classes, I was co-captain of varsity soccer, I sang in the school choir and accompanied them on piano much of the time. The ass-clown who wrote the original rant that started this thread is really fucking wrong about the main thrust of his argument. The ass clowns partner, Pad, is equally wrong for posting it. Fuck you both. Grow up a little and you'll realize that some people are wired differently. Oh did I mention fuck you both?

Dyslexics untie!
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Is your inability to learn math somehing you brag about like it's a good thing? If not, then this was clearly not addressed to you.
 
jessy koons said:
I am dyslexic. I process information differently than someone who is not dyslexic. Mathematics was always a challenge for me in school and eventually led to me dropping out. The problem wasn't that I couldn't do the work, the problem was that I couldn't do the work as expected. I would usually be able to solve the problem or answer the question but I couldn't always explain how I came by the answer. This is a real problem in math. The method used is often given as much weight as the answer.

Intelligence is not the problem here; I was awarded A's in all subjects except for the math classes, I was co-captain of varsity soccer, I sang in the school choir and accompanied them on piano much of the time. The ass-clown who wrote the original rant that started this thread is really fucking wrong about the main thrust of his argument. The ass clowns partner, Pad, is equally wrong for posting it. Fuck you both. Grow up a little and you'll realize that some people are wired differently. Oh did I mention fuck you both?

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Haha I actually gained some respect for you Koons, I too am dyslexic and never counted on the formulas to solve the problems. Depending on which type of math I would always find a way to write down very little and do the rest in my head, but of course that is unacceptable. I was stubborn though and proved to the teacher I wasnt cheating.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Haha I actually gained some respect for you Koons, I too am dyslexic and never counted on the formulas to solve the problems. Depending on which type of math I would always find a way to write down very little and do the rest in my head, but of course that is unacceptable. I was stubborn though and proved to the teacher I wasnt cheating.
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That IS math bud..
 
Hepheastus420 said:
That IS math bud..
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I dont know how your education system works, but in ours we gotta show our work in strict specific ways and only those ways would be accepted. I absolutely HATED formulas because of my dyslexia and I would hardly ever follow the guidelines, I would do most of the work in my head, not acceptable according to my teachers and Koons teachers.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle said:
I dont know how your education system works, but in ours we gotta show our work in strict specific ways and only those ways would be accepted. I absolutely HATED formulas because of my dyslexia and I would hardly ever follow the guidelines, I would do most of the work in my head, not acceptable according to my teachers and Koons teachers.
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...I've heard this before *rubs chin* That was my dilemma with math (or 'maths' if you speak french :) ), it was more like show and tell for me...the 'explaining' was on a whim and was happening in my mind. To write the equations didn't flow like in english lit.

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jessy koons said:
I am dyslexic. I process information differently than someone who is not dyslexic. Mathematics was always a challenge for me in school and eventually led to me dropping out. The problem wasn't that I couldn't do the work, the problem was that I couldn't do the work as expected. I would usually be able to solve the problem or answer the question but I couldn't always explain how I came by the answer. This is a real problem in math. The method used is often given as much weight as the answer.

Intelligence is not the problem here; I was awarded A's in all subjects except for the math classes, I was co-captain of varsity soccer, I sang in the school choir and accompanied them on piano much of the time. The ass-clown who wrote the original rant that started this thread is really fucking wrong about the main thrust of his argument. The ass clowns partner, Pad, is equally wrong for posting it. Fuck you both. Grow up a little and you'll realize that some people are wired differently. Oh did I mention fuck you both?

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This to me is a fascinating area of neurobiology. Some autistic savants can do amazing calculations but not be able to explain how they arrive at the correct answers. fMRI has demonstrated for at least one subject I saw used a completely different part of the brain to process complex math problems. This particular savant was using a large portion of his brain usually utilized for unconscious spatial motor tasks. For example, if I have to step over a large hole, my brain must make some mathematical calculations to tell my leg where to go in 3D space, and this savant was taping into that area. There's also studies that show we tie certain calculating problems to our language centers, which are not optimized for the task. We can train ourselves to use different techniques to arrive at answers using more efficient processing centers, where some people, like savants and probably certain types of dyslexics do this automatically.

Unfortunately, one of the reasons that method is stressed is because of cheating. If you can't show how you arrive at an answer, it can look like you were just given the answers or using a crib. I think this is changing slowly in some areas as we learn these things and it trickles down to teachers. You probably are actually quite inherently gifted mathematically and probably could have benefited from an equally gifted teacher that recognized your abilities and could focus them correctly.

Some fascinating research in this subject

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060320221545.htm
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1999/math-0512.html
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003550.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1869
 

  • I don't think the two are comparable because you can't learn to be taller, stronger, faster. Some people are just genetically gifted when it comes to athleticism. We are all much more capable of learning information.

    One requires both practice and genetics, the other only requires practice.

    You can train all you want, but certain individuals simply won't be as good as other individuals because of their genetic predisposition. Yes there are geniuses, but they are exceptions and they also dedicate themselves to practicing their trade. You can be born a prodigy, but you have to work to become a genius.



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I was not referring to making someone taller. Obviously you do not have any experience in training athletics. The process of learning to become stronger or faster is by training the CNS in order to bring about adaptations that are specific to the training cycle and the training goal. through these adaptations, will the athlete be able to compete at a high level at each competition. Taller is about genetics and so are Olympic caliber athletes, but like you said, exceptions are everywhere.

Just as you have to work to be a genius, you have to work to keep your Olympic caliber potential. THis work is where I would accuse anyone not able to create their training programs as being dumb or stupid. IT take practice and experience to be a great strength and conditioning coach and we are not geniuses, we are talented however in knowing how to properly apply what we know about biomechanics, kinesiology, physiology and anatomy and psychology to bring this potential Olympic caliber athlete to their athletic potential and hopefully compete at such a high level.


the rest, I understand your point, all I am saying is calling people stupid or dumb just because they do not know "math" which is a learned skill, just like most all other things in life, is preposterous and retarded.
 
not all of us have the balls to put ourselves out there per se. Everyone nowadays are to concerned about what people might think and to me that is being a pussy. I could really care less what others think about what I say when I say it when I have to say it. If it is something I disagree with, I will let you know about it, there is no beating around the bush for me.





tyler.durden said:
Damn! I missed me some Oly ;) Good to have you back, man...
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olylifter420 said:
not all of us have the balls to put ourselves out there per se. Everyone nowadays are to concerned about what people might think and to me that is being a pussy. I could really care less what others think about what I say when I say it when I have to say it. If it is something I disagree with, I will let you know about it, there is no beating around the bush for me.
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That is exactly why I missed you...
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Not sure if this has been posted before, but holy shit it's brilliant! Kind of lengthy, but worth the read!

Every time I hear someone say "I suck at math," I immediately think he or she is a moron. If you suck at math, what you really suck at is following instructions.

Sucking at math is like sucking at cooking. I'm tired of eating shitty food because you're too much of a dipshit to follow a recipe. Also, I'm tired of hearing people brag about how they can't cook like it's some kind of badge of honor. It's like a race to the bottom with you people. I always hear people one-upping each other about how inept they are at cooking. If you don't know how to chop up a few carrots to make a decent soup, take your life.

Math is exactly like cooking: just follow the recipe. Symbols look confusing? Can't figure out how to solve a problem? All I hear is, "Waaah! Boo-hoo! I didn't read the introduction to the chapter that tells me exactly how to solve this generic category of problems!"

Math isn't some voodoo that only smart people understand. It's something that people understand on their path to enlightenment, and it's about as straightforward as thinking gets. And when I say "math" here, I'm talking specifically about the only category of math that 99% of people know about: applied. It's a failure of teachers everywhere to expose people to the much less commonly known branch of mathematics: theoretical.

Theoretical math is cool as shit. You know what's not cool? You being an idiot. Math theory involves solving problems like finding patterns in prime numbers, topology and thinking about the different kinds of infinity. And yes, there are different kinds of infinities. Pick up a fucking book some time.

Evolutionary tree with and without math.

Ever heard of Pascal's triangle? Or the Fibonacci sequence? How the square root of 2 was discovered? Do you know anything about the Pythagorean cult who discovered the "Pythagorean theorem"?

No, because you're too busy saying the same tired excuse every other dickhead spews out about math: "when will I ever use this in life?"

First of all, if you're leading your life in such a way that you never have to do math, congratulations, you are a donkey.

Why is math the only discipline that has to put up with this bullshit? People gladly learn art, music, literature and geography. You'll even nod like a happy idiot when you learn what a haiku is, and you never complain or whine about how you'll never use this in your "life." When is the last time you wrote a haiku, asshole?

But when it comes to math, everyone turns into a big pussy and starts PMSing all over the place. The walls, the flag, the teachers, everyone and everything gets splattered by your crimson twat water. Because suddenly you can predict the future and you know that for the next 70 or so years of your life, with 100% certainty, that you will never use math and that you can tune out and go back to doodling because you're too self-important to learn something that ancient people thought was important enough to pass down for your dumbass to learn from. It's far more important for you to practice writing your name or drawing hearts and stars, right?

People didn't invent this stuff because they were bored. They invented it to solve real-world problems. Problems that real men had to deal with before your stupid ass was born, like building oil platforms, delivering the correct dosage of medicine and going to space. Not so your dumbass can play "Gardens of Time" on Facebook, although you wouldn't be able to do that without math, either.

All higher forms of thinking come from neural connections built by solving the kinds of problems encountered in math. Why should you learn math? Because fuck you, that's why. Learning math isn't about how much or how little you use it at your shitty job. It's about becoming someone who's worth a shit.

Don't like it? Tough. People also don't like to work, and if everyone took your shitty attitude towards math and applied it towards work, we'd all be living in shit huts in Africa. As for me, I like computers, the Internet, and riding in elevators. Don't think elevators are awesome? Take the stairs next time, asshole. That's what people who hate math get: stairs.

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Love your post man. As a math major in college, I can really appreciate it.

However, you and I do not represent the majority of people when it comes to the appreciation of math.

My son hates math, but is a very successful Master's Degree candidate in Wildlife Biology at LSU (set to graduate in December). He already has multiple job offers from Ducks Unlimited.

Math rocks. But not for everybody (unfortunately).
 
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