What did he say
Mass Medical Strains
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Speedtriplebbc
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MMS was one of the first USA breeders I started following from over here in the uk, I was very impressed with the unique strains that weren’t heavy indica, organic methods, good morals and seeing the passion through the whole process instead of just dropping new seeds. It was well over a year before I started seeing all the hate in the guy. Very surprised as he is one of the most transparent people in the industry who posts the whole process of breeding. I’ve had great experiences so far including help and support if I ask a random question. All I can say about the haters is to find some serious evidence if you want to give someone’s hard work a bad name, better to just not say anything unless you have first hand experience including contacting him on any queries or problems. Seems people just believe anything bad on the internet nowadays and it just looks stupid?
greenbean1029
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I couldn’t agree more.
Somatek
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I never had any illusion about what Star Pupil was, he pretty clearly said his friend gave him seeds that he found the mother he uses for breeding in. I've never seen any claims that it's the "best weed ever", just that it's unique compared to all the polyhybrids on the market. I've grown Stellar Collision, Bubba Pupil, Katsu Pupil and didn't see any hermies in any of those packs but did find a solid mom in each. I've got a couple of his Mr E x Star Pupil in veg now as well as a half dozen other crosses that Dman gifted to me. Sounds like Prof P is using the situation for his own sketchy IG marketing to promote his seeds if he's giving them away to people who threw out packs of MMS without ever actually growing them. Which is basically how I see the whole situation, Prof P, MMS and most IG pollen chuckers rely heavily on marketing to push their gear which often influences peoples opinion more then the genetics themselves. I could care less what people feel about him as it's irrelevant opinions; his seeds are as good as any other company that stand out due to the Star Pupil influence and in the end I'm buying genetics and could care less about the ego's/popularity contest created by social media. None of that has anything to do with growing and is just a distraction.
greenbean1029
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Everyone, including the growing community, love to gossip!! Let’s all start a new show called gossip greens. And we can start rumors and conspiracy stories about breeders and their genetics while we drink wine and whine. lol
Somatek
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I've never read a more accurate description of the online pot forums lmao... Gossip and marketing are a brutal combination, just look at all the people who still dump ice on their pots before harvesting to "shock" the roots and force the plant to produce trichomes which was the marketing behind White Widow when it was winning all the awards in the mid 90's (white widow, great white shark, etc) and is still alive and kicking almost 30 years later because of grower gossip and "trade secrets". Almost as classic as the beginner getting an "elite" cut and being confused when their tortured, abused plant doesn't produce the best smoke ever even though it's "elite"...
greenbean1029
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Do people not realize how long it takes trichomes to develop ? It doesn’t happen over night
Somatek
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How to Grow Your Own Stone, the OG grow guide, suggested hanging plants upside down so the resin drains into the leaves/flowers... In a hobby defined by it's illegality with the inflated price dictated by prohibition which creates the perfect storm for marketing to prey on peoples inexperience.
greenbean1029
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I get the why the need to slow dry, but do you HAVE to hang upside down? I do but it’s just what I’ve been told to do (not to the extreme of trichomes dripping to the bottom) But maybe I’m victim of this perfect storm?
He's anything but transparent.
He carefully cultivates his online presence such that he's a perpetual victim.
He preys on new growers by "being transparent and freely sharing info", except that as new growers gain experience, they find that MMS contradicts himself repeatedly and that much of the information MMS shares is generally freely available from many other sources. Or else they find that it only works the way MMS describes if you're able to fully replicate MMS's environment/setup. He seems helpful until you call him on one of his contradictions...then his whole demeanor changes and suddenly you're blocked.
He started his own forum & discord so he could completely control his own narrative and block/boot anyone who tries to share anything that might cast doubt about his true motives. He has accounts on other legit forums, like RIU and Overgrow, but since he can't completely control the narrative he only logs in to defend himself--perpetuating his victim claims.
He went on The Pot Cast and used a voice changer to disguise his voice during the interview.
He regularly blocks people on IG that he deems "haters" just so they won't cast doubt/confusion when he spouts his "wisdom".
But at the end of the day, people will believe what they want to believe--not necessarily what the evidence proves.
I was taken in by him as a new grower...until, though voraciously searching and reading forums, grow books, etc., I started finding that MMS was contradicting himself regularly, that the information he so freely provided wasn't correct in all scenarios, and the only people calling him on it were deemed "haters".
natureboygrower
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Yeah, dude got flamed on here over a year ago for a reason I can't quite remember. Do you? Maybe false claims on a strain that wasn't his?
Dude must have a unique voice to use a voice changer
Somatek
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Nope, it's a function of convenience that branches make easy places to hang an upside down plant from, which is why is the common practice. Just because it's gibberish doesn't mean there's no value even if it's completely unrelated to the theory.
Somatek
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The issue is beginners starting from an uneducated, naive point which makes then susceptible to marketing without understanding how prevalent it is in cannabis. Most of what you've said equally applies to the majority of companies out there, including staring his own discord when IG started shadow banning pot accounts more actively. Suggesting it's purely an ego trip and to have tight control comes across as conspiratorial when many breeders do it and there's decades of history with companies doing the same thing on pot forums. Your opinion is based purely on his actions and not the facts around his gear. So which of his seeds have you specifically grown and what problems did you have with them compared to other seeds? What makes them garbage that should be thrown out as others had said instead of grown regardless of the politics around them, what's more important the genes in the seeds or your opinion about the companies practices/values?
Actually the reasoning behind this is very similar to the reason that dried flowers are hung upside down to dry. 1. It keeps things nice & tidy - more plants can be hung closer together without unwieldy branches flailing/flopping everywhere. 2. Gravity pulls moisture down into the leaves/buds and allows a much more controlled dry. 3. Because more moisture is kept in the leaves, chlorophyll & sugars can be more readily broken down in the drying plant--preventing hay smell later.
greenbean1029
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Not sure the point of the voice changer, maybe he’s worried about the feds. It’s all in how you perceive things. I’m growing out 2 of his plants as we speak and under my own environmental conditions, they are spot on to what he describes. And I only popped 1 from each pack so far.
greenbean1029
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100% thank you!
I prefer to support ethical businesses.
You'll note I said nothing about any seeds he makes or allegations about star pupil or any other strains he's marketed. That's because all of the slimy, victim behavior speaks for itself--before ever taking seeds into account. Further, the fact that you refer to everything as opinion (including the things that are easily proven to be fact) tells me that you're not interested in discussion--only in proving your opinion correct.
Your what-about-ism speaks volumes.
greenbean1029
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If mass medical has the best genetics, and in his spare time, kills infants, I will not buy those seeds.
If mass medical has the best genetics, and lies about where they came from, I will buy those seeds.
I don’t care about the back story, as long as you aren’t some crazy bad dude.. if you have good genetics I want a run at them
If mass medical has the best genetics, and lies about where they came from, I will buy those seeds.
I don’t care about the back story, as long as you aren’t some crazy bad dude.. if you have good genetics I want a run at them
Bodyne
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I know of 2 that said he used their gear, melvenetics and stoned ninja. And I think one or two more. There is just better gear out there. Hell, wait a day or two and between IG and the seedbanks, they are adding more as we speak lol no really!Yeah, dude got flamed on here over a year ago for a reason I can't quite remember. Do you? Maybe false claims on a strain that wasn't his?
Dude must have a unique voice to use a voice changer
Bodyne
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You did say new and in UK, right?