Mammoth P company is going out of business ? Any microbe benificial bacteria replacments make organic phosphorus readily available as well?

So Ive been noticing that Mammoth-P has been slowly disapearing from shelves and started asking around. Some hydro shops are saying that reps are saying their out and dont know whats going on and have no expected restock date. So something seems very off with how well their mammoth-p in specific worked.

Wondering if anyone knows of a similar benificials to the bacterias array they used that was specificly for breaking down phoshorus for flowering?

They made a fortune out of noobs and idiots by telling them their bacteria makes the plant uptake more P.

A fool and their money.

budman111 said:

A fool and their money.

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Are quickly parted.

Use your own pee.

Back in the day peeps were doing comparisons and side by sides with Photosynthesis +.

I also saw something about some phosphor metabolizing trichoderma here locally but never tried.

@jaked3800 how much do you estimate it helped your grow results?

Rocket Soul said:

Photosynthesis +.

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The stuff stunk as bad as the weed lol

J2M3S said:

Are quickly parted.

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Yep, one born every minute.

budman111 said:

The stuff stunk as bad a s the weed lol


Yep, one born every minute.

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So i hear, something about sulfur as conservation agent for the bacteriae.

Rocket Soul said:

So i hear, something about sulfur as conservation agent for the bacteriae.

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Tried a trial bottle years back but like 99.9% of additives, snake oil. the only additive I ever seen 100% work was the old roots excelarator silver bottle. The roots were massive furry and as white as snow, god knows what was in it though lol looks like it got banned

google out of interest, what's in mammoth p?

Mammoth P™ is comprised of a consortium of four bacterial taxa (Enterobacter cloacae, Citrobacter freundii, Pseudomonas putida and Comamonas testosteroni; Table 1) by a proprietary method that selected for the ability to mobilize bound P.

Rocket Soul said:

Back in the day peeps were doing comparisons and side by sides with Photosynthesis +.

I also saw something about some phosphor metabolizing trichoderma here locally but never tried.

@jaked3800 how much do you estimate it helped your grow results?

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And what were the results of the sid by sides with the photosynthesis plus? I used to use that a while back.

I felt like I got a 10 percent increase but have no real way of knowing as every grow is different. But I can say that using various microbes they are definitely not all "snake oil". I use "Great White Shark" powder during cloning and transplant and have done a side by side and their is a very noticable difference in root mass.

It's not really a question of whether or not microbes increase nutrient uptake, it's well-known that microbes play an essential role in nutrient uptake. The issue with these products is sustaining microbial life in your soil long term. All of these products promise huge increases in microbes and a lot of them deliver, but it's a temporary spike, two weeks later you'll see an equal decrease in microbial activity. There are studies that show that by using commercial microbe products you will oftentimes end up with less microbes in your soil than there were before you used the product. The commercial microbes can out-compete the microbes that are already present in the soil and starve them, and then eventually starve themselves because they are developed to grow fast but not survive long in real-world conditions.
There is no magic wand, the only way to increase microbes in the long term is to improve the health of the soil. Give them organic matter to consume and help facilitate the natural processes that contribute to a healthy microbially diverse soil system. If you build it they will come.

Check out yeast for gardening, this from Google...
Yeast contains a high content of protein, organic matter, minerals, glucan, mannan, and nucleic acid. Yeast metabolites, such as erythronic acid, cytokinin, and auxin, can stimulate the growth and development of crops"

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