Major Problem needs help fixing fast!

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alldaychamp

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So i'm growing my first plant and am experiencing some super bad issues that need fixing quick! my set up is a 300 watt compact fluorescent bulb, i have two but am using only one (should i use two?), its on a timer for 14 hrs and i have a fan that keeps the air at a constant 75 F and 48% humidity.
I use Alaska 5-1-1 fertilizer and i think i might have over fed it but i'm not sure since i'm waiting on a ph reader to come in the mail next week...
the leaves are curling down and showing brown spots, the branches are red but the veins are yellow, the leaves on the bottom have started to turn yellow and one even broke (so sad to even look at!)
I've attached pictures so that people can get a better idea of what i'm talking about, lets save this plant!
 

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wopnasty

wopnasty

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I would run both light bulbs. how often are you feeding it?
what size pot is it in? how old is it?
 
massah

massah

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I'd use as much light as you can, so grab that 2nd light and get it going.

Looking at a chart of plant problems it looks like it might be a manganese deficiency, and that deficiency is probably coming from nutrient lock looking at how droopy the leaves are. You are using 5-1-1 neuts, doing a 14/10 hr light cycle, you should be doing an 18/6 since you are still giving it the nutrients for veg.

What you want is a PPM meter to find out how strong your neutrients are, and a PH meter, but honestly as long as you are keeping the PPM in check the PH issues usually wont cause severe plant issues, but the farther away from a PH of about 6.4 the harder it is for the plant to absorb neutrients.

It doesn't appear your soil is draining very well since its very black and doesn't appear to have any perlite in it.

The steps I would do at this point would be use no neutrients for a week flushing out the salts(fill it right up with just water over the sink and then let it drain all out to get the salts out of there). Wait until the top is crusty before doing another flush. After about a week or so you should see some improvement in your lady, get a PPM meter and slowly start introducing your nutrients back in at about 200-300PPM slowly increasing it. Once you get to a point where shes darkening up with her leaves then transplant her into a larger pot with soil with a good amount of perlite.

You want soil that drains very well, so that the top starts getting crusty and sticking a finger down in the soil you dont feel much for moisture after 2 days, if you can stick your finger in it after 2 days and its still all wet you roots are rotting and the salts are staying behind not letting anything into the plant.
 
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alldaychamp

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massah said:
I'd use as much light as you can, so grab that 2nd light and get it going.

Looking at a chart of plant problems it looks like it might be a manganese deficiency, and that deficiency is probably coming from nutrient lock looking at how droopy the leaves are. You are using 5-1-1 neuts, doing a 14/10 hr light cycle, you should be doing an 18/6 since you are still giving it the nutrients for veg.

What you want is a PPM meter to find out how strong your neutrients are, and a PH meter, but honestly as long as you are keeping the PPM in check the PH issues usually wont cause severe plant issues, but the farther away from a PH of about 6.4 the harder it is for the plant to absorb neutrients.

It doesn't appear your soil is draining very well since its very black and doesn't appear to have any perlite in it.

The steps I would do at this point would be use no neutrients for a week flushing out the salts(fill it right up with just water over the sink and then let it drain all out to get the salts out of there). Wait until the top is crusty before doing another flush. After about a week or so you should see some improvement in your lady, get a PPM meter and slowly start introducing your nutrients back in at about 200-300PPM slowly increasing it. Once you get to a point where shes darkening up with her leaves then transplant her into a larger pot with soil with a good amount of perlite.

You want soil that drains very well, so that the top starts getting crusty and sticking a finger down in the soil you dont feel much for moisture after 2 days, if you can stick your finger in it after 2 days and its still all wet you roots are rotting and the salts are staying behind not letting anything into the plant.
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ok so how long should i hold the water under the sink for because like you said, the soil is pretty moist so would it be wise to add more? should i wait for it to dry out or just attack it now, i placed the second light just above so the two are next to eachother but neither light is directly above the plant, it was planted on aug. 9th so its just over a month old. since about 2 weeks ago i started feeding it twice a week (which i obviously see now was a bad move!) but i dont know how big of a pot its in, i know its a 6" diameter opening at the top and 6" tall what is the dimensions of a 2 gallon pot and what would be the proper way to change it to a bigger pot? i used a mixture of Miracle grow peat moss, organic choice miracle grow potting mix as well as scotts humus and manure. i didn't use perlite cuz i heard it wasn't good for the plants, and what exactly does the PPM meter read?

By the way the photo with just the soil is how it is without flushing it, just a close up, wanted to know if i should wait for it to dry before doing anything as for the other photos i noticed the branches were red and its a close up of the leaves spotting
 
budforever442200

budforever442200

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Miracle soil is really hot. It looks like overwatering to me plus maybe some burn on the lower leaves. Let the soil dry, and if alot of yellowing still happens flush with 6ph water. You want to let the water run through the bottom of the pot for a good while(4x normal watering) for flushing.

Good luck and Jah love!
 
budforever442200

budforever442200

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I love black gold, but firefox is also really good. Pretty much any top grade soil is better than miracle grow. Also perlite is a good amendment with your soil as is vermiculite. PPM stands for parts per million and can tell you the strength of nutes in your water.
 
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Gioganja

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Okay this looks like one of/both of two problems.

a)nutrient burn. It looks like there was some overfeeding that has effected the lower leaf sets. In my opinion, this damage is beyond recovery; clip off the damaged parts/the whole damaged leaf.
b)muck. Judging by the looks of your soil, I'd say the bottom of it has turned to mush and the roots are not getting nutrients effectively. This should be seen to immediately. Transplant your plant into new soil. I recommend FoxFarm organic soil.your soil should look like this: not too wet so that its deep dark, but not so dry either. After watering, you can spray the surface of your soil once-twice a day LIGHTLY to maintain moisture but not to the point that it suffocates the roots. I've included a picture.

 
neved

neved

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U should use flush .with fresh water no nuts includ. I had same pro .
I used that way for 2 days after i used the middle ppm soil then if the top leafs not curling.
Wish the best
 
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alldaychamp

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Father Earth said:
Do you foliar feed?
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If by use a spray bottle to water the leafs then no, i read somewhere that said it was better to water just the soil, i've been giving the plant about 12oz of water for the past few days now because its started to really sprout, i guess that has been too much... what do you mean exactly by foliar feed?
 
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