Mainlining my plants. How long should I veg?

jrGrow420 · May 1, 2019

Hydro4life said:
So the main benefit would be the way the plant uptakes water/nutrients id imagine? And would affect the plants uptake differently or more directly than supercropping and creating big knuckles if that makes sense jrgrow? like the pic i posted.....

yes, you get ecual colas, super cropping doesn't work, I've seen a side by side test .. don't do it

Hydro4life · May 1, 2019

jrGrow420 said:
yes, you get ecual colas, super cropping doesn't work, I've seen a side by side test .. don't do it

Funny you say that. I havent noticed any increase in yield from it personally. But was effective at opening the plant up and reducing a bit of verticle growth i think.

JohnDee · May 1, 2019

Hydro4life said:
I have been thinking about trying mainlining but is it really worth it?

Gonna throw out a little old school wisdon. Actually not sure if this is Bro' science or not. But the idea is that a given plant...in a particular grow op will have a theoretical optimal bud mass produced. Not possible to go beyond.

So what training can do is not necessarily increase bud mass but to direct where it will grow.

What mainlining, scrog and many others techniques do... is to eliminate popcorn bud and have all the bud grow on the colas. This is definitely the goal with mainlining. The "manifold" idea is that each half of the plant will get an equal amount of nutrients from down below...

My particular desire to learn manifold training is that it's probably the most manageable method to control height for tall sativas. I'm practicing on my current plants to prepare me for my next run which will be Golden Tiger (ThaixMalawi) and Kali Mist. Both will be mainlined to manage height.

One question was about the delayed growth. It's delayed early on when plant does not need lots of light. So all you need to do is to start the plant early enough to undergo full training. Very little electricity wasted keeping a small plant growing. Veg light is on anyway...
JD

jrGrow420 · May 1, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Funny you say that. I havent noticed any increase in yield from it personally. But was effective at opening the plant up and reducing a bit of verticle growth i think.

you don't need to be too brutal with this, use string and weights
"But was effective at opening the plant up and reducing a bit of vertical growth i think."

and you said you haven't seen any less weight, that's correct, the supposed point in supercropping is more weight but it doesn't work.

supercropping is an old technique used by gurrilla growers so their huge outdoor sativa colas didn't break in the wind, a supercropper was employed to do the whole field, it creates a knuckle so the stems more stronger in the wind.

don't do it, you can bend your plants over if you want to reduce height.

Hydro4life · May 1, 2019

JohnDee said:
Gonna throw out a little old school wisdon. Actually not sure if this is Bro' science or not. But the idea is that a given plant...in a particular grow op will have a theoretical optimal bud mass produced. Not possible to go beyond.

So what training can do is not necessarily increase bud mass but to direct where it will grow.

What mainlining, scrog and many others techniques do... is to eliminate popcorn bud and have all the bud grow on the colas. This is definitely the goal with mainlining. The "manifold" idea is that each half of the plant will get an equal amount of nutrients from down below...

My particular desire to learn manifold training is that it's probably the most manageable method to control height for tall sativas. I'm practicing on my current plants to prepare me for my next run which will be Golden Tiger (ThaixMalawi) and Kali Mist. Both will be mainlined to manage height.

One question was about the delayed growth. It's delayed early on when plant does not need lots of light. So all you need to do is to start the plant early enough to undergo full training. Very little electricity wasted keeping a small plant growing. Veg light is on anyway...
JD

Good info JohnDee! And makes sense. I just find i can considerably speed up a plants life cycle if i can get the plant to a certain size as quickly as possible so that it is large enough to really photosynthesise and explode in growth. I find the young stage of a seedling is the slow part and thought that maybe the extra length of time in this stage of its life may not be worth the extra time to yield difference, if you know what i mean?? Im not saying it isnt worth it, just wondering if you guys think it is from your experience????

Hydro4life · May 1, 2019

jrGrow420 said:
you don't need to be too brutal with this, use string and weights
"But was effective at opening the plant up and reducing a bit of vertical growth i think."

and you said you haven't seen any less weight, that's correct, the supposed point in supercropping is more weight but it doesn't work.

supercropping is an old technique used by gurrilla growers so their huge outdoor sativa colas didn't break in the wind, a supercropper was employed to do the whole field, it creates a knuckle so the stems more stronger in the wind.

don't do it, you can bend your plants over if you want to reduce height.

Yeah right! Makes sense. Damn, i thought i did so well with that girl too haha. Thanks for the heads up Jrgrow!

JohnDee · May 1, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Im not saying it isnt worth it, just wondering if you guys think it is from your experience????

You're still thinking that an increased veg time is a major waste and expense. But is it really?

To have all the training take place on small plants that are easy to move around VS crawling around under a scrog net weaving branches? I'm an old fart and I choose the easy way...even if yield is the same. Easier trimming, shorter plants...it was an easy choice for me. But like I said earlier...I'm new to this level of training and haven't made a full flowering run with mainlined plants yet.
JD

jrGrow420 · May 1, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Yeah right! Makes sense. Damn, i thought i did so well with that girl too haha. Thanks for the heads up Jrgrow!

it just slows the growth supercropping, that's all

i stopped doing it about 35 years ago

Hydro4life · May 1, 2019

JohnDee said:
You're still thinking that an increased veg time is a major waste and expense. But is it really?

To have all the training take place on small plants that are easy to move around VS crawling around under a scrog net weaving branches? I'm an old fart and I choose the easy way...even if yield is the same. Easier trimming, shorter plants...it was an easy choice for me. But like I said earlier...I'm new to this level of training and haven't made a full flowering run with mainlined plants yet.
JD

Sorry, JD, it was a bit of a rushed reply. If veg time were the same, surely the plant that wasnt manifolded would be larger due to getting to that explosive veg stage faster (just a guess) and which would most likely yield more? Just that i usually veg big plants in DWC for roughly 2 months. And may be able to improve by mainlining if i am vegging for 2 months anyway? Just wondering what you guys think?

Hydro4life · May 1, 2019

jrGrow420 said:
it just slows the growth supercropping, that's all

i stopped doing it about 35 years ago

It certainly does. Think ill go with lst over supercropping then. Thanks for the heads up Jrgrow! Appreciate it man!

JohnDee · May 1, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Sorry, JD, it was a bit of a rushed reply. If veg time were the same, surely the plant that wasnt manifolded would be larger due to getting to that explosive veg stage faster (just a guess) and which would most likely yield more? Just that i usually veg big plants in DWC for roughly 2 months. And may be able to improve by mainlining if i am vegging for 2 months anyway? Just wondering what you guys think?

If you're locked into a schedule by your system...then by all means, do not throw a monkey wrench into the works. I grow in coco and can start and finish plants as I desire.

I can't answer your first question but I would guestimate that your current method would outperform manifold training. But if you could start the manifold plants 2 to 3 weeks earlier...then it would be a close race.
JD

Hydro4life · May 1, 2019

JohnDee said:
If you're locked into a schedule by your system...then by all means, do not throw a monkey wrench into the works. I grow in coco and can start and finish plants as I desire.

I can't answer your first question but I would guestimate that your current method would outperform manifold training. But if you could start the manifold plants 2 to 3 weeks earlier...then it would be a close race.
JD

Yea i pretty much am. I think youre right, "curiosity killed the cat"!

Diamondz · Sep 7, 2020

jrGrow420 said:
true mainlining's taken off one node (the hub), it's all about the roots getting spread equally to each top

Like this? In 8th week of veg waiting for new light and defoliation once every 2 weeks.

Mainlining my plants. How long should I veg?

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