InTheValley
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great luck to ya and the ladies cannn.
Mainlined colas, even nutrients distribution?
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Observe & Report
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Mainlining, and this thread, is a bunch of stoner broscience. Apical dominance has nothing to do with light, "nutrient distribution," or specially shaped stems. It's all about hormones produced by growing tips flowing down the stem by gravity and inhibiting the growth of lower buds. If you train your plant so the tips are all the same height then you'll get evenly sized buds, no matter how you train it. If you don't train your plant then the tops will be bigger than the bottoms, even if the light is perfectly even from top to bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apical_dominance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apical_dominance
cannn
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Mainlining still does a really great job at that.. Once you mainline you barely have to do anything to keep an even canopy
I agree with you though. Ive scrogged and maintained an even canopy with no equidistance from the main stem with no apical dominance and even maturation and growth.. Still this mainline is the best of my grows ive ever seen
Virgin Thumb
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Id rather tie down, trim, harvest 12 nodes where "all the bud is" than spend 2 days trimming up a plant and getting all the little popcorn buds.
cannn
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I dont think what your saying relates at all. Uhhhh were not talking about lollipopping lol
cannn
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Also to say that this thread is a bunch of bro science obviously shows you didnt read it. Me and other ppl commented telling them what causes the differences in maturity and growth across the plant
Virgin Thumb
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lmao no. just comparing mainline ease to what you see just going traditional.
Observe & Report
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I don't disagree with you that mainlining can be effective but other techniques might be simpler and give similar or maybe even better results without as much work, such as topping, scrogging, lst, and various hst techniques. All of which manipulate the distribution of hormones in the plant. I think this is why you mostly see mainlining in very small scale personal grows where the grower is able to dote over every plant.
In any event, nothing good comes from nurturing pseudoscientific beliefs. If you're convinced that having a pretty, manifold shaped stem for even nutrient distribution is key to getting evenly sized buds (it's not) then you're unlikely to consider possibly better techniques that don't rely on incorrect assumptions. When I read threads about mainlining I see people off in the weeds and wasting their time. Just look at this thread, the title contains "nutrients distribution" and posts are talking about getting even light. Not a single post mentioned hormones, auxins, or gravity until I came in to rant about it.
cannn
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Ive tried everything youve mentioned. Ive low stress trained, scrogd, run sog and about every training method. Pinching supercropping topping fimming. Still this mainlined grow, again best one ive ever seen. Now this could be coincidence, im more experienced than ive ever been, and changed other things about this grow, so ill wait to say for sure till i do some side by side. The downside to mainlining is added veg time so i certainly agree you can get better yields and more harvest cycles per year other ways if your restricted to a plant count but i can do yhe vegging while i have plants flowering and have the manifold created by the time im harvesting np.
cannn
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I agree with all that from personal experience except virgin greenthumb and greenbean 420. Find me a link to info on these hormones that go lower on the plant based on gravity and ill maybe consider changing my opinion. See what doesnt make sense about that is gravity isnt stronger in the lower part of the plant than the higher part of it, or not significantly, so i dont see how its going to draw a specific hormone downward. Also ive seen plenty of grows use sidelighting to increase the size of lower nugs. How do you think vertical grows work?
You ever seen vertical grows with bigger high up bud than the low down bud?
You ever seen vertical grows with bigger high up bud than the low down bud?
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InTheValley
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To me, "Mainlining" is a Main line BRANCH flattened out in early veg to get the new node offsprings to grow UP into the light. THUS, giving each nodel branch, the same amount of light without having to reach down into the canopy. Because as we know, its about penetration to the lower LEAFS, NOT the bud sights. The buds have very very little Realestate of green to absorb the light itself. This is why i wont be defoliating anymore.
BUT, like Observe and Report said, each bud sight does have hormones, and the highest point, is where they want to run to.
In my grows, my main focus is about forming new Branch's, and getting all the bud sights even, simply because like O & R said, top bud dominates the hormones. So I string and tape the best I can to get them all even across the board without us of a net. I like to take my trees out, move them around, clean under, whatever, but I try hard to not need to trellis them.
This was my last successful grow, FireOG. You see it looks like the goodyear blimp, but as you can see, almost every single bud was the same size. that was the goal.
I just like to top after 3rd node, and strech them fkrs outs and even them off, so they form upward bound branching.
BUT, like Observe and Report said, each bud sight does have hormones, and the highest point, is where they want to run to.
In my grows, my main focus is about forming new Branch's, and getting all the bud sights even, simply because like O & R said, top bud dominates the hormones. So I string and tape the best I can to get them all even across the board without us of a net. I like to take my trees out, move them around, clean under, whatever, but I try hard to not need to trellis them.
This was my last successful grow, FireOG. You see it looks like the goodyear blimp, but as you can see, almost every single bud was the same size. that was the goal.
I just like to top after 3rd node, and strech them fkrs outs and even them off, so they form upward bound branching.
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cannn
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Actually he was saying there were growth restricting hormones that go towards the bottom of the plant, not the other way around
InTheValley
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Humm, I think maybe he said it wrong, lol, I dont kno bro.
The reason for small buds at the bottom, is because light penetration to lower Leafs, BECAUSE PEOPLE DEFOLIATE them, and they are now gone. Ive had nice buds grow totally covered by leafs on the lower level. As an experiment to see if the buds grow from direct Light, or from the Leafs themselves.
I do agree with Hormones stronger at top buds, but never looked or thought about Nutritional distribution via main stem and roots, or what the hell ever this thread went to, lol..
Outside you dont really see people whackin the hell outta the plants, and they grow squash sized buds over the entire plant. Comes down to How much light you get on those leafs, and the spectrum youv been bullshitted over to duplicate the sun itself.
another reason Im not a fan for scrog nets.
cannn
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This is mainlining^
What your doing is just really well done lst
Amazing lst really. I love that plant you show a pic of. Beautifully shaped
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InTheValley
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Thanks brother, I should of waited probably another week before flipping, then the branchs' would of grown a bit more off the mains. the thing was, when i opened the middle up, those suckers grew fast, like an inch a day, and didnt want to top those and supercropping wasnt an option because they would of layed ontop of the whole network. Kinda like what I did with this run, lol. Same shit. I expect those middles to grow like crazy, seeing she is already growing like a weed, HAH,lol.. Im already screwed with this current run, because I have NO room, and need them to grow upward now. I already pulled out 4 perfectly fine plants that would of been the size of the remaining 36 oz container. be my luck all these will be male that I have in the tent, ugg. Pretty sure they are all feminized tho. I even chopped that tree early, still had 3-4 weeks left, but had horrible humid issues and was afraid of mold. Cloudy/amber 95-5%ratio, still was great smoke.
I see now, your basically making 2 trees from 1,
I see now, your basically making 2 trees from 1,
InTheValley
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Here is a top view, This was really my first true grow, so i was still learning a few things with LST.
and it was a soil grow ( FFoF and KinedSoil )
and it was a soil grow ( FFoF and KinedSoil )
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WeedSexWeightsShakes
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I got a couple weeks before my first manifolded plant is done. Also have 3 others in there and some clones going.