Maine Decides: Right To Food

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't talk about this a lot, but i have a diet that would kill a normal person...
i have severe issues with my stomach, and live on yogurt...i take supplements and add protein and sugar to the yogurt, but thats really about 90% of my diet, about 5 pounds of it a day. i add the sugar to get close to 2000 calories a day, otherwise i start to slowly lose weight. i weighed 240 pounds at my largest, then i got a hernia which allowed a Volvulus to happen, which is your stomach or intestines twisting. my stomach got strangulated in the hernia, but then popped back in. i thought that was good, but when it popped back in, it got turned somehow. i got pretty sick, almost died, but they operated, removed a large part of my stomach due to tissue damage from the volvulus stopping blood flow, and the result is that i can't digest anything much solider than yogurt. i also developed a gluten allergy somewhere in there, no idea if that was coincidental or caused by the sickness.
so i live on protein and carbohydrates and sugar, almost no fat. i get fat free yogurt, honestly just because yogurt with a noticeable amount of fat tastes bad to me, almost rancid. i do like ice cream, and can eat it as long as it doesn't have pieces of things i can't have in it, fruit, nuts, flour like cookies and cream, or brownie chunks...i take a multi vitamin every day, and B12 and E on the advice of my doctor. i also take enough protein supplement daily along with the yogurt to bring my total to 100 grams, and enough sugar to get to at least 2k calories per day. also take fiber every day, couple of spoons full, as i get none from my diet.
i've discussed this with more than one doctor, a couple of them have told me that that my diet would be very bad for a normal person...to which i usually reply "yeah, but..."
so you can adapt to almost anything...but being able to isn't a reason to...

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Can you tolerate fish oil caps? That should give you a bit of “essential fat”.

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everyone’s genetic makeup and bacterial flora is different so if you’re doing well, do your thing.

no one fall for genetic diet tests though please*

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This is why I think we are really just coming out of the 'burn everything' stage of humanity. I really am looking forward to us figuring out how to feed the creatures inside of us that turn around and actually feed us what we need instead.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't talk about this a lot, but i have a diet that would kill a normal person...
i have severe issues with my stomach, and live on yogurt...i take supplements and add protein and sugar to the yogurt, but thats really about 90% of my diet, about 5 pounds of it a day. i add the sugar to get close to 2000 calories a day, otherwise i start to slowly lose weight. i weighed 240 pounds at my largest, then i got a hernia which allowed a Volvulus to happen, which is your stomach or intestines twisting. my stomach got strangulated in the hernia, but then popped back in. i thought that was good, but when it popped back in, it got turned somehow. i got pretty sick, almost died, but they operated, removed a large part of my stomach due to tissue damage from the volvulus stopping blood flow, and the result is that i can't digest anything much solider than yogurt. i also developed a gluten allergy somewhere in there, no idea if that was coincidental or caused by the sickness.
so i live on protein and carbohydrates and sugar, almost no fat. i get fat free yogurt, honestly just because yogurt with a noticeable amount of fat tastes bad to me, almost rancid. i do like ice cream, and can eat it as long as it doesn't have pieces of things i can't have in it, fruit, nuts, flour like cookies and cream, or brownie chunks...i take a multi vitamin every day, and B12 and E on the advice of my doctor. i also take enough protein supplement daily along with the yogurt to bring my total to 100 grams, and enough sugar to get to at least 2k calories per day. also take fiber every day, couple of spoons full, as i get none from my diet.
i've discussed this with more than one doctor, a couple of them have told me that that my diet would be very bad for a normal person...to which i usually reply "yeah, but..."
so you can adapt to almost anything...but being able to isn't a reason to...

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That sucks bud.

Man, I have talked weird diets more in the past few weeks than my entire life. When the midwest came to visit they all had weird diet things, I so could have taken them to this vegan place where they could eat everything...but that would have been a commie restaurant so we ate bullshit with a bunch of special instructions.

Edit: I really did just eat pizza and vitamins for years. It was kinda keto before keto. I used to drink quite a bit and would just eat a large pizza late at night daily, wouldn't feel hungry until late the next night. Just coffee and booze other than that. Was skinny, not sure about healthy.

Still do eat too much pizza. My cholesterol was a bot high so tried cutting that out and eating a wider variety but that caused everything else to spike and only a slight reduction in cholesterol so meh.

I know this a food thread and not about climate. But you can't talk meat without mentioning it's effect on climate change. Ag has a bigger carbon footprint that transport does. Meat being the lion's share of that. Here is a good look at the different types of food and transport, and how much each contributes..

All that said, I will admit to having a bad pork chop problem. Last week I ate pork chops Monday through Friday. This week I had them Monday through Thursday, and I'm not sure that I won't have them again today.

CatHedral said:

Can you tolerate fish oil caps? That should give you a bit of “essential fat”.

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i can taste that shit all day....it makes me nauseous.

injinji said:

I know this a food thread and not about climate. But you can't talk meat without mentioning it's effect on climate change. Ag has a bigger carbon footprint that transport does. Meat being the lion's share of that. Here is a good look at the different types of food and transport, and how much each contributes..

Carbon Footprint Factsheet

“A carbon footprint is the total greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions caused directly and indirectly by an individual, organization, event or product.”1 It is calculated by summing the emissions resulting from every stage of a product or service’s lifetime (material production, manufacturing, use, and...

css.umich.edu

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A slightly different take.

from here

CatHedral said:

A slightly different take.

from here

Sources of Greenhouse Gas Emissions | US EPA

Sources of greenhouse gas emissions, inculding electricity production, tranportation, industry, agriculture, and forestry.

www.epa.gov

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My memory is getting a little fuzzy. Maybe I was thinking of personal transport. IDK

injinji said:

My memory is getting a little fuzzy. Maybe I was thinking of personal transport. IDK

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You aroused my interest so I hared off to Goog and poked around a bit.

I was curious because Western intensive farming uses a lot of heavy machinery that burns diesel. Bringing down the carbon footprint there (imagine a zero-emission combine! Don’t say biofuel. Ethanol is a scam imo) will be expensive.

I guess the test case for biofuel would be to take a typical 640-acre farm dedicated to, say, canola. It would be interesting to calculate the number of such standardized farms could be run from an average harvest’s oil yield.

But all the hidden costs must be considered. For the index farm, that includes the fuel cost of growing and processing the canola, the consumption of every combine, tractor, powered auxiliary machinery e. g. seed drill, and powering the house, barn etc. and distributing the fuel to other users.

If the ratio is below 1 (not enough fuel even to sustain the index farm) this idea fails. But if the ratio is 2, that still figures to a loss of 50% of ag efficiency, and 50% arable land removed from producing food and feed.

Either way, weaning ag from fossil fuel will be very hard to do, and ag product prices will go way up and stay there. This would ruin many farms and bring real hunger back to the developed world. It’s a bigger problem than zeroing the greenhouse emissions of ground transport.

I’m guessing that using fossil fuel for ag has one of the best cost/benefit ratios in all of the economy of using such fuels. Combine that with the grim economic consequences of making production more expensive, and I’m guessing the diesel tractor etc. will be the last to go. By then I’m hoping an advance in power production (fusion?) or use (efficiency of the machines, and their ability to store enough power to complete long high-powered tasks, such as spring plowing) will bring the costs into the bearable range.

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CatHedral said:

You aroused my interest so I hared off to Goog and poked around a bit.

I was curious because Western intensive farming uses a lot of heavy machinery that burns diesel. Bringing down the carbon footprint there (imagine a zero-emission combine! Don’t say biofuel. Ethanol is a scam imo) will be expensive.

I guess the test case for biofuel would be to take a typical 640-acre farm dedicated to, say, canola. It would be interesting to calculate the number of such standardized farms could be run from an average harvest’s oil yield.

But all the hidden costs must be considered. For the index farm, that includes the fuel cost of growing and processing the canola, the consumption of every combine, tractor, powered auxiliary machinery e. g. seed drill, and powering the house, barn etc. and distributing the fuel to other users.

If the ratio is below 1 (not enough fuel even to sustain the index farm) this idea fails. But if the ratio is 2, that still figures to a loss of 50% of ag efficiency, and 50% arable land removed from producing food and feed.

Either way, weaning ag from fossil fuel will be very hard to do, and ag product prices will go way up and stay there. This would ruin many farms and bring real hunger back to the developed world. It’s a bigger problem than zeroing the greenhouse emissions of ground transport.

I’m guessing that using fossil fuel for ag has one of the best cost/benefit ratios in all of the economy of using such fuels. Combine that with the grim economic consequences of making production more expensive, and I’m guessing the diesel tractor etc. will be the last to go. By then I’m hoping an advance in power production (fusion?) or use (efficiency of the machines, and their ability to store enough power to complete long high-powered tasks, such as spring plowing) will bring the costs into the bearable range.

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Sorry, he lied.

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With cow and hog production you have to figure the methane released by the animals as well.

I watched a really good show on PBS about using bugs for food. Mammals take about 10 pounds of food to produce one pound of meat. With bugs it's two pounds of food for one pound of meat.

injinji said:

With cow and hog production you have to figure the methane released by the animals as well.

I watched a really good show on PBS about using bugs for food. Mammals take about 10 pounds of food to produce one pound of meat. With bugs it's two pounds of food for one pound of meat.

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Yes to the first.

To the second, I do not have the patience to carve bugs into steaks.

CatHedral said:

. . . . . . . I do not have the patience to carve bugs into steaks.

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I was raised on a cow farm. I was burned out on beef 40 years ago. I have maybe one steak and half a dozen burgers a year. Beef has that yuk taste you have to get past. Pork, not so much.

if you can eat a mcdonalds hamburger, you can eat a bug burger...i don't want to see them, but protein is protein, once it's been processed and made to look like beef or w/e, i cease to care. if it looks, smells, and tastes like beef...it's beef to me. probably better tasting and more nutritious than a mcdonald's burger to begin with

injinji said:

I was raised on a cow farm. I was burned out on beef 40 years ago. I have maybe one steak and half a dozen burgers a year. Beef has that yuk taste you have to get past. Pork, not so much.

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I find pork and chicken edible.
I find lamb and beef delicious.
Diff’rent smokes for different folks

Anemia. Your body manufactures a desire for what you need.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

if you can eat a mcdonalds hamburger, you can eat a bug burger...i don't want to see them, but protein is protein, once it's been processed and made to look like beef or w/e, i cease to care. if it looks, smells, and tastes like beef...it's beef to me. probably better tasting and more nutritious than a mcdonald's burger to begin with

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I wonder. You can’t fool me into thinking any other meat is ground beef when fried or grilled as a patty. I’m willing to try, but “it’s nutritionally the same” is no cigar. It has to have that red blood and tallow flavor, and so far I don’t think we are there.

I cannot imagine a vegan hard keto diet until they can come up with a non-animal fat that cannot be distinguished (by flavor and by nutrient fat ratio) from water-rendered tallow.

mooray said:

Anemia. Your body manufactures a desire for what you need.

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That explains alcohol then

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't talk about this a lot, but i have a diet that would kill a normal person...
i have severe issues with my stomach, and live on yogurt...i take supplements and add protein and sugar to the yogurt, but thats really about 90% of my diet, about 5 pounds of it a day. i add the sugar to get close to 2000 calories a day, otherwise i start to slowly lose weight. i weighed 240 pounds at my largest, then i got a hernia which allowed a Volvulus to happen, which is your stomach or intestines twisting. my stomach got strangulated in the hernia, but then popped back in. i thought that was good, but when it popped back in, it got turned somehow. i got pretty sick, almost died, but they operated, removed a large part of my stomach due to tissue damage from the volvulus stopping blood flow, and the result is that i can't digest anything much solider than yogurt. i also developed a gluten allergy somewhere in there, no idea if that was coincidental or caused by the sickness.
so i live on protein and carbohydrates and sugar, almost no fat. i get fat free yogurt, honestly just because yogurt with a noticeable amount of fat tastes bad to me, almost rancid. i do like ice cream, and can eat it as long as it doesn't have pieces of things i can't have in it, fruit, nuts, flour like cookies and cream, or brownie chunks...i take a multi vitamin every day, and B12 and E on the advice of my doctor. i also take enough protein supplement daily along with the yogurt to bring my total to 100 grams, and enough sugar to get to at least 2k calories per day. also take fiber every day, couple of spoons full, as i get none from my diet.
i've discussed this with more than one doctor, a couple of them have told me that that my diet would be very bad for a normal person...to which i usually reply "yeah, but..."
so you can adapt to almost anything...but being able to isn't a reason to...

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sugar and carbs bring on seizures to those with epilepsy. the keto diet was invented for this.

Julius Caesar had mini-strokes not seizures and doesn't belong on this list



the sugar/carb/gluten combo can really make you sick. it's amazing how well you can feel on just veggies, fruit, nuts and protein.

schuylaar said:

sugar and carbs bring on seizures to those with epilepsy. the keto diet was invented for this.

Julius Caesar had mini-strokes not seizures and doesn't belong on this list

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the sugar/carb/gluten combo can really make you sick. it's amazing how well you can feel on just veggies, fruit, nuts and protein.

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The Banting diet is the sort of hard keto diet I’m describing. It was devised for diabetics before insulin, and it saved and prolonged lives. Taubes wrote a book on these diets, and I accept his thesis that diabetes (insipidus), Alzheimer’s, atherosclerosis and obesity all have a common feature: they are caused by insulin dysregulation brought on by a toxically carby diet.

I like nuts but they exceed my apparent carb tolerance Cashews (Homer drool)

mooray said:

Anemia. Your body manufactures a desire for what you need.

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you mean withdrawal?