LOWRYDER WITH BAT GUANO help needed

i read on a thread that i can grow lowryder with bat guano in soil from sowing to harvest without having to add any more nutes and achieving great results. this thread is for all those who are into organic autoflowering strains. i have ordered auto great white shark and auto white moscow from lowlife seeds. i am thinking of buying solid and liquid bat guano put the solid in the soil and then use the liquid to fert during flowering what r ur thoughts? i am going to order soon what i need so ur advice will be highly appreciated. for general info my plan is to grow in a closet and harvest 4 plants i was thinking of using a 400 sonagro bulb and also use co2 tabs that are disolved in water for greater results. all info and suggestions are welcome thank u for ur effort!!










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Got2loveit.... Most autoflowering strains - require very little feeding - compared to regular Mary. I would not start your seeds in hot soil (nutrient rich). You can mix up your ferts - guano's, manures, & worm castings - into soil. Just start your plants in a low nutrient soil, then transplant into the hot soil later. Then only use water, after the transplant.
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Subcool has a good thread on Super Soil, in his Organic's sub-forum. Give it a read, I think it will help.
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A simple receipe for a five gallon mix of hot soil - 3 gallons of spaghum peat moss, 1 gallon of compost, 1/3 cup of High N Bat Guano, 1/3 cup of High P Bat Guano, 1/3 cup of Dolimite Lime, 4 cups of Worm Castings, 4 cups of Perlite. Mix thoroughly. Turn / fluff every 3 days - Let cure for 10-15 days. In place of the spaghum peat moss - you can use coco fiber or bagged seed starting mix (like Jiffymix Seed Starting Mix).
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Hope this helps.....
Keep it Real....Organic....

wow i thought it would be much easier to tell u the truth! im ordering from here http://hydroponics.eu/cat.asp?category=184-Guano but i dont see big differences in npk of the guano isnt this guano enough? do you have any better place to suggest for ordering? my only issue about ordering somewhere else where it will have all the things u say is the site having all growing equipment i need and this site has it all thats why i found the guano proposal interesting otherwise i could still go organic with cellmax nutes
http://hydroponics.eu/product.asp?Id=1046-CellMax+Bio-Organic+Grow+1L%A0
http://hydroponics.eu/product.asp?Id=1031-CellMax+P-K+Booster+1L%A0
http://hydroponics.eu/product.asp?Id=1642-CellMax+Flower+Power+150ml
but if i used these solutions i would also need a good ec meter and i have no experience in creating solutions. any advice on this? also im in europe so american sites wouldnt help much if anyone has to propose a good site that has equipment and the necessary nutrients and soil. thanks for the info it sure was helpfull



i want to keep it organic organic rules!!!

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Got2loveit..... The Bat Guanos I use do have different numbers... The High N is 9-3-2 and the High P is 0-7-0. The one in your link is a bit low on the Nitrogen. I'd shop around.
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Bat Guanos alone will get the job done.
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If you can find it, I have a bud that grows his little autoflowering strains in Happy Frog Potting Soil. It's allot cheaper than the FoxFarm Ocean Forrest and has enough NPK in it, to carry the plants until week 5 with nothing else added.
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Hope this helps....

If i bought this guano i would be set right?? it has high N and high P http://www.gardenallyear.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1117
i could also get good soil from this site i was thinking
http://www.gardenallyear.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1421
whats ur opinion? like the fert. below has exactly 0-7-0 is it maybe better i get 2 guanos??






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http://www.gardenallyear.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1205

if you could advise me on a soil solution and what ferts i need to so i can get all i need with one order from this site i would really appreciate it because i feel soooo lost when checking all this out!!!! or if u have another site to propose
thank you dude i really appreciate!!

do u know which of n p or k are most useful during flowering? as i think of it now i would like a premade soil that i could use for my seeds and grow them for 20 days(the low nutrient soil) and then transplant into the same soil i used for first grow with this guano(link http://www.gardenallyear.com/store/i...productId=1117) that has the same properties as both your guanos together. from what i see in your mix u use very little guano compared to other nutrients(worm castings). where can i find worm castings? is there soil i can use that already has all i need besides the guano in it? will this soil do both for the hot soil mix and the low nute mix?
thanxxxxxx greatly!!!!



















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i just noticed this site doesnt ship to europe any good site for getting what i need? thnk you

can i use fox farm planting mix or Happy Frog Potting Soil for my seedlings or are these considered hot soils?? if i use the hf after week 5 how will i supplement my feeding is the guano going to be used here?

i cant seem to find any site that ships to europe what i need for my soil anyone can help?

lowryder has a short veg time 14-21 days during this period they need NITROGEN to attain maximum size before budding use the guano when they start to bud worm casting tea is a good nitrogen source- nitrogen in tea is available faster than just adding the castings to the soilless mix good luck

will this do the job ?
http://hydroponics.eu/product.asp?Id=4933-Nitrozyme+300ml+-+Grow+Technology
thanks heaps





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I grow lots of autos and breed my own, and if grown in compost dont generally need feeding during their short veg period. i generally plant them in my organic compost, and water without any nutes, until they show sex, then i start with a very light feed of bloom nutes, slowly building the dose, as they dont like high or even moderate nute levels, or they burn to shit, or stunt growth, and thats BAAAAD in autos as it'll seriously reduce yield....poor PH will stunt them alot too.
Most composts are good for around 4-6wks nutrients without needing to add any to it., and in 4wks the auto strains are usually starting flowering, and you should be starting using bloom nutes, High in P , low in N K..which should contain enough N to get through flowering.
They love molasses too.
So IMO you dont need the guano...Isnt guano high N? and you dont want that during flowering= slows flowering...slower flowering will just again reduce yield on a plant with a very limited lifespan.

Ok, i'm baked now...
frosty...

alot of the guanos are low in N and high in P. depends what the bats diet was comprised of at the type of cave/dwelling they lived. there is also seabird guano, which is the true guano.

they are all listed. some have little to no N, like the Indonesian, and some have a little bit of Nitrogen, like the Jamaican.

I'm not expert, but I can see the Jamaican being useful towards the latter stages when the compost ferts start to die down, to help give it a little of everything, but more P.

the guano im getting is high P!! i was told i only needed to add a couple of spoons on top of the soil after it starts flowering and only water. since im a newbie i would like to keep it as simple as i can in order to have much less chances of burning my babies!! i wouldnt like adding alot of stuff in its feeding isnt this the right way to go?

using it on top of the soil will work but that method isnt really suited to short lifed strains like LR2 etc.
The best bet would be to make a tea.
All i was saying earlier is that you shouldnt really need to supplement your Autos with additional food while theyre in their veg phase, it only really lasts 2 wks and the compost has more than enough nutes in it for upto 6wks , then they mature a lil and show pre-flowers, then within a wk will start flowering.
introduce a weak tea with the Guano, at first sign of preflowers and slowly raise the dose over the next 2 wks.

As a rule, alot of autos will burn if you use more than 1/2 - 3/4 recommended dose of chemical nutes.
Its alot harder to burn plants when grown organically, and you can easily build up to 3/4 dose and they shouldnt burn..
Also as i said, molasses rock with autos!! and is a great chelater!

two things im planting in root soil(low nute soil) in 7x7x8 cm pots for the first week because i heard that if u place the seeds in compost the roots due to their sensitivity cant handle any nutes and can slow down growth quite alot!! i was told this by a canadian lowryder breeder. then i was thinking of transplanting into compost!! secondly how do i make guano tea?? wouldnt it be easier if i just used liquid guano in the water when watering?? im not using any chemicals i want everything 100% organic!!

there are quite a few threads in this forum about making tea. its not hard. minimal hardware is needed. you can do it without the air pump, but it'll be harder and the results won't be quite as good.

I think putting it directly onto the soil is like fertilizing, more than adding nutes. It'll slow release as it breaks down. Whereas making a tea is giving it nutrients directly, as you've already broken down the goodies and condensed them into a form the roots can use immediately.

Like anything else use it sparingly in the beginning to ensure you are not over doing it, and work your way up a little. Always better to give too little than too much.

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/93913-making-tea-ez-cheap-15.html


This thread gives good info on making and using teas. Osho guru of poop wrote it.


I agree with frosty, autoflowering plants don't need lots of nutes. Let me quote the man, Ohso, " Low, slow and steady " on feeding.

I have solid guano and liquid guano il check how to make tea i also have callmax bio bloom with npk of 1.5 13 14!! can anyone help me make a feeding schedule?? do i need to add anything more for feeding or reduce?? thanks boys!!!

got2loveit said:

two things im planting in root soil(low nute soil) in 7x7x8 cm pots for the first week because i heard that if u place the seeds in compost the roots due to their sensitivity cant handle any nutes and can slow down growth quite alot!! i was told this by a canadian lowryder breeder.
Your caution is well placed but i think lil over cautious bro.
I guess that all depends on which compost he's using..some are HOT as hell and will fry a plant real easy..
I used to use seedling compost, but after trialling Autos with different brands, now just use regular MP compost.. Wests Multi-purpose with added john innes is pretty decent and not too hot and a good choice for the non-organic folks..
Oganic compost that is available in bags will work fine too, just check its contents NPK, if its ericaceous or non-ericaceous and ph etc... the bags info should give you all you need..
If in doubt plant in layers.. Ie plant in good/ample sized pot (Autos like to dive deep) fill the bottom 3/4s of the pot with the organic compost of choice, and fill the upper 1/4 with low nute seedling compost. that way as it grows it'll slowly grow into the hotter soil.

How do i do it? Firstly i sow seeds straight into 2 or 3L pots, using either purchased organic soil, or my own compost if its plentiful...
I dont layer the compost or add seedling type soil , as i've never experienced seedlings getting fried with the compost i use, BUT that doesnt mean that it doesnt happen...So keep a watchful eye.
Feed only water until showing preflowers, then slowly introduce Bio Bloom + molasses til Flush/harvest..
They VERY rarely out grow the pots, which is good as i grow my Autos in a smallish cab powered by 1 x 150w + 70w HPS
Run on 18/6 from start to finish...
As much as hot soil will stunt growth which is BAAAD in these strains, you may also find that transplanting at such an immature age will also shock and stunt the growth unless youre super careful.
With this in mind, that is why i remove the need to pot-up by sowing into the pots theyll finish in.
If youre using large wattage lighting you should prolly go for a min of 1 gal pots, as they will def out grow the pots.
then i was thinking of transplanting into compost!! secondly how do i make guano tea?? .

wouldnt it be easier if i just used liquid guano in the water when watering?? im not using any chemicals i want everything 100% organic!!

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And as gr8fulgreen said, applying guano as a soil topper is good for non auto strains where it will break own over time, but when you have 10wks or so from start to finish, its effects would be less effective than when used to create a tea.

I've helped on quite a few Autos threads, and if you wanna read a lil more or see some of my old stuff check out the posts via my profile.
I'm gonna germ a batch of my new autos in the next week or 2 as soon as the current grow is done, to hopefully get the stability 100% (Auto ECSD x UK cheese)...should be a killer smoke

Hope thats helped a lil..
now my friends, Tis time for a smoke