Low cost SoG setup?

Ok. As impatient as I am, I'll take your words to heart. I'm on a really tight budget so I didn't really want to get involved with a system I wouldn't be using for a while. But I'm on with doing this.

Do you have a list of items for me and where I can find them?

There are no hydro shops near. I live in a smallish town. Only about 70k people.

Thanks. What's the startup cost looking like for such a venture? Thanks for all of your help, you've been remarkably patient and very thorough. I want you to know it's much appreciated.

I'll give it a shot when I have the money and let you know when I need help again. Thanks.

Cool beans. Well, next check's leftover cash will go to the first 400w HPS light.

Just for clarification, I can veg with florescent and move to HPS for flowering right? After I get both of my HPS lights and I have my vegging lights, I'll be happy to start the bucket, once I get it down pat I'll spring for the SoG method.

So veg and flower with the same lamps?

As for my eventual mother, do I just leave her with two 100w florescent to keep her from budding?

Good shit. I think I'm all set for a while. Thank you very much for all of your help. =D

with high intensity lights and summer temps, water temp in dwc must be maintained low at about 19C i find flood and drain more foolproof for that reason, a water chiller is a pricey tool adds complication

as far as nutrients go if you do go with DWC. i recommend ordering dyna-gro so you dont have to constantly adjust the ph (i check mine weekly) most people check and adjust ph daily. Also if your water temps spike above 74F and you haven't been really sterile you might develop a root rot problem as bacteria and algae will start growing.

Flood and drain such as using rockwool while you will have to replace the cubes with each grow. You only have to maintain the reservoir not each bucket (unless you Rdwc). its alot less susceptible to disease or mold growth. frankly it only requires 1 water pump and 2 concrete mixing tubs 1 with a hole in it. you flood the table 1-2 times a day. And because mostly the roots are sitting in air there is less of a rot chance and the only other thing you have to deal with is mold from bad airflow in your room

you would want Screen Of Green = Scrog.... not Sea of green = SOG... one requires a large amount of plants while the other your goal is you fill the screen then pull each top through a hole in the screen

Fallin' that looks a bit more fiscally efficient. Can I operate something like with the SoG method? I want the SoG method because I want the constant supply of grass with my limited space.

you could easily do SoG simply by having a large number of plants in your flood tray assuming the number of plants isn't an issue for you. keep in mind unlike DWC you dont need a large room for roots as they will stay contained in the large rockwool cubes

i recommend figuring out cloning in rockwool asap. tbh its pretty easy
(i use a little bloom and some superthrive and have roots in 7 days misting with a bottle daily and in a humidity dome (no rooting hormone )).

Seriously my Idol is "homebrewer" if you check that thread i posted on page 1. his style is perfect for beginners and advanced growers. its all about simplicity. He does 6 plants a tub under a 600Watt gets roughly 600 grams out of it. plant numbers is an issue for him so he doesn't flower more at once. his setup is roughly a 3x3.

that picture kali johnson posted probably has alot of topping done to it and looks EPICCC im considering scroging mine even though ive got like 12 plants. in order to achieve a constant stead supply you will need to perpetual harvest yourself. which requires 1 grow room 1 flower room running different light schedules

I intend to put together a system similar to what you posted. Do I just need one neut res? Like say I have four flood trays, can I just use one neut resivor? If so, how to I get it to do each one?

It should be noted that I don't have ANY hydro setup at the moment. It's all soil for the time being, til I can afford better.

if you wanted separate flood trays id recommend separate res. it allows you more freedom. Sometimes different strains require vastly different feeding.

Or u could run one large res but it would require a much larger water pump and alot of splitting to pump water into each tray & then they would have to drain into that res

What's the difference between a floodtray and just cutting a hole in the lid of a tub and setting them down in there?

What I really need is a detailed walkthrough on how to setup my hydro grow.

Like what kind of wattage/power my pump needs, how close the holes in the top of the lid should be, how to cut them, how to put together all the pipes and the like. I really need a step by step walkthrough on how to set it up. Are there any resources on the matter?

Ok. So I'm going to attempt to spell out my setup as best as possible so I can get it 1000% perfected before I spent a cent. I'm assed out of about 70 bucks because I fucked up last time.

Here we go.

So I'll be putting a hydro grow in a 4X4X8 grow room. I'll need four rubbermaid containers for rotating my SoG. I need a container for my clones and one for my mothers. So that leads me to six containers for the plants alone.

I was looking at these http://www.rubbermaid.com/Category/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?Prod_ID=RP091418 for the reservoirs. So, six of them, assumed 10gallon tubs. Now, I obviously need flood trays. I need something shorter right? If someone could point me in the direction of the trays that'd be great. Ok, so I have containers covered, kinda.

I'll be putting two grow lights over the four rotating tubs. There will be about five-six plants in each tub. So I'll be using two 400w HPS lights over that area. I'll be getting a lightproof curtain and putting the mother high on the shelf and tucking 2 100w floros beside her. I'll be putting 2 100w floros next to my cloning area as well.

Neuts will be Pure blend pro grow, pure blend pro bloom, b'cuzz blooming, superthrive. I'll be using rockwool and superthrive to setup my clones.

Now I'll need pumps for each individual reservoir. That puts me at six pumps. If there is an easier/more efficient way lemme know. I'll need some rooting powder too.


Ok. So my total rundown of items I need:
6 10gallon Rubbermaid Tubs for growing.
6 Flood Trays
6 Water pumps
12 Air Stones
6 Air Pumps
2 400w HPS lights
4 100w Floros
1 B'cuzz Blooming Solution
1 Pure Blend Pro Grow
1 Superthrive
1 Rooting Powder
1 Lightproof Curtain.
1 Brick of Rockwool
Hoses and PVC

Should I use something different than Hydroton and Rockwool? I saw a member comment on the messiness of Hydroton and the PH issues with Rockwool.

So I was wondering if, using the SOG method, it's prudent to do some lollipopping/topping.

dude youre a joke, if you can smoke an ounce a month but cant afford to get even decent stuff then you havent done any reading on here at all. Go buy a book bro or hire someone to build your room

I'm in between checks. Either contribute in a positive manner, or be ignored. I don't have time to waste with comments like that.

chasmtz said:

dude youre a joke, if you can smoke an ounce a month but cant afford to get even decent stuff then you havent done any reading on here at all. Go buy a book bro or hire someone to build your room

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THATS WHAT WERE HERE HELPING HIM FOR ASSHOLE
ps nublet hit the triangle with the ! in it and comment how rude it was

i wouldnt lollipop until you know how your plants are going to handle themselves all the way through the grow. If you lollipop wrong you will lose weight. if you do it perfect all you end up with is larger overall nugs no yield bonus. topping however is a MUST do it soon and often. this will encourage branching and a bush plant instead of a tree

Rockwool and hydroton alike need to be prepped before usage.
Rockwool consists of throwing it in 5.5ph'd water for about 30 minutes to dissolve the lime and set the rockwool to the proper ph(otherwise it comes at 6.1 ph which is too high).
Hydroton however are little clay balls in varied sizes. They need to be washed THROUGHLY. and ph'd to 5.8 overnight. the other thing is some of theses things float making them a pain. if you fail to wash enough them you end up with sand at the bottom of your setup and your ph CONSTANTLY rising

As for the grow room ill help you out with the parts when i get back from work

I was thinking about maybe going coco. Less mess and fuss and some are swearing by it. I've heard Rockwool can have PH problems, any more neutral alternatives?

As for topping, I know in theory how to do it, kinda. Do you just split the main stalk down the middle about two inches?

Here's a cheap SOG setup that you can do

30 to 60 gallon air pump - About $30 to $40
Air hose - Shouldn't be more then $2 to $3
Air stone(s) - A 4 pack of the green ones cost $5 but you can get the flat round ones for around $5 but for cost wise the 4 pack is better since you can spread them out a bit.
5 Gallon Rubber Mate container - $5
2 inch net pots so that you can fit more freshly rooted clones in a smaller area - $0.25 each so it should cost you around $6.25 for 25 of them and if you do it right you could have all 25 in a square foot area
100 2 inch rockwool cubes - $12
Big bag of clay rocks - $35

At most that SOG flowering setup should run you around $107 with tax but that's what it would cost here.

If you want you might be able to get away with not using rockwool cubes but use those kind of plugs that the aero systems use and use it to hold your plant in your DWC system and use clay rocks in the net pots and you should be fine.

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Here's the difference between Hydro systems

DWC = Deep Water Culture - The roots of the plants is always in the water but you have air stones in the water to put air into it so that you plants don't waterlogged and die.
EBB and Flow (Flood and Drain) - Its almost like growing in soil but your using clay rocks and a res and a water pump pumping the water into the the tabe and the table has drain holes and tubing going back to the res
NFT - Your pretty much drip feeding your plants water and the water goes back into the res.
Aerophonics - You are using a water pump, PVC tubing , sprayer heads. Aero systems are usually put on timers and when it goes on the water pump pumps water up through the PVC tubing and the pressure that it makes will force the water out through the sprayer heads.