Looks like we won the cross appeal, government appeal denied.

gb123

Well-Known Member
Just heard the news on the radio....bodes very well for Feb. I was pretty sure it would go this way but there was that small nagging doubt.... Not sure why it took so long? I am pretty sure home grows will be extended to include all patients in Feb. It would be discriminatory not to. Watch the value of LP stock go into a free fall. Their only hope now is legal recreational weed and they need it to happen in a hurry.
They'll get it too. It'll just take a bit. The Feds don't want to just give in and let everyone know their intentions. That'd be to transparent :lol:

ps.. be a good time to buy stocks lol..

No worries either. Harper isn't done yet... you watch.
He likes egg on his face.
 

doingdishes

Well-Known Member
they agreed that the address change issue has to be addressed and the people who fell in the cracks of their lic's expiried between September 30, 2013 and March 21, 2014. these have been sent back to Justice Manson to look at again. they didn't have a problem with the 150 G limit...partial win i guess. let's hope the judge looks at the address change thing & answers it in the positive SOON!!
 

bigmanc

Well-Known Member
they agreed that the address change issue has to be addressed and the people who fell in the cracks of their lic's expiried between September 30, 2013 and March 21, 2014. these have been sent back to Justice Manson to look at again. they didn't have a problem with the 150 G limit...partial win i guess. let's hope the judge looks at the address change thing & answers it in the positive SOON!!
Yes, now we wait again. The judges seem to agree Manson needs to revise his own work it seems.
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
"[18] While the judge carefully crafted and tailored his order in a way that he considered
minimally intrusive into the legislative sphere (judge’s reasons at para. 121), it does not provide
remedy to patients who held valid production licences on September 30, 2013 but whose
authorizations to possess expired between September 30, 2013 and March 21, 2014 (the date of
his order). The judge’s choice of March 21, 2014 as the “cut-off” date has the effect of excluding
Ms. Beemish and Mr. Hebert from his order."
I only made it by a week.....hmmmm
 

leaffan

Well-Known Member
I really enjoyed this read...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.fan.john-turmel/lBWb5cE3NWk

JCT: Robert Roy's Reply to the Crown's Response to his
Application for Leave to Appeal the refusal of the lower
courts to exempt him pending trial of his action for repeal
is served today! Keep in mind that Terry Parker, Stephen
Burrows and Ray Turmel also have Applications and each will
deal with different issues.

Terry already replied and he's a Never-In should should have
been first. Ray has his ATP and represents their concerns
under the Manson Order extending the MMAR that threatens
him.

Robert Roy's a "Left-Out," by only 3 days. His exemption
expired 3 days before Justice Manson grand-fathered his grow
permit but not his possess permit. Neat omission. He's
appealed for an interim exemption for personal medical use
and filed an Application for Leave to Appeal the refusals
below, the Crown gave a boiler-plate response, and his Reply
on his personal angle:

Robert Roy

Dec 12 2014

Mr. Roger Bilodeau, Registrar
Supreme Court of Canada
310 Wellington St. Ottawa, K1A 0J1

Mr. Registrar

Re: Robert Roy v. Her Majesty the Queen, File No. 36146

Given the Crown has provided a boiler-plate Response to my
Application and to those of Terrance Parker (35156), Ray
Turmel (36159) and Stephen Burrows (36147), I adopt the
salient arguments in their Replies while focusing on my
particular medical situation.

I have several severe medical problems which were well-
assuaged by marijuana I grew quite affordably under my MMAR
Authorization To Possess and Produce. In late 2013, Health
Canada announced that all MMAR personal production gardens
had to be shut down and all stored stocked destroyed by
April 1 2014 when the MMPR took effect.

On Mar 18 2014, my exemption expired with no practical
purpose in renewing under the MMAR because:
1) I had enough to last and any new crop had to be destroyed
in 2 weeks;
2) it would have wasted $400 in doctor fees to apply;
3) I'm on long-term social services disability pension and
could never afford to apply for the high-priced product sold
by a Licensed Producer under the MMPR.

On Mar 21 2014, three days later, Justice Manson's Order in
Allard v. HMQ grand-fathered my Grow Permit back to 2013 but
not my Possess Permit. Only current permits remained valid.
Had I renewed my MMAR permits for only 3 more days, both
would have been validated, not just the one. How could the
Court have not grand-fathered both? Due to Health Canada's
Directive, I was "Left-Out" of the Manson relief by 3 days!!

How many of Canada's 25,000 medical growers with enough to
last were similarly "Left-Out" by opting not to plant a crop
to just be destroyed? If just those who expired within 3
months of the "April Fool Destruct Day" gave up like I and
Stephen Burrows did, that's a quarter, 6,000 legal medical
growers Left-Out. Probably many more. The Allard decision
shut down more grows than the nation's police combined, the
only difference being the police shut down illegal grows and
the Court shut down 6,000 previously-legal grows. Yet, the
Parker Court ruled it unconstitutional to have to choose
between prison and our health.

Even two of the four Allard Plaintiffs were Left-Out and
their appeal now attempts to remedy that one omission of not
grand-fathering our Possess Permits with the Grow Permits
that cut off thousands of medical users from their legal
status and into outlawry.

The Allard decision resulted in even more loss of access by
extending permits without extending the Health Canada
infrastructure to amend those permits which the Allard
Appeal is now attempting to redress: no provision for
address changes, grower changes, outdoor-indoor changes,
dosage changes, all no longer possible without the Health
Canada infrastructure. Move, permit expires. Designated
Grower moves or dies, permit expires. The omissions in the
Allard remedy have resulted in a continuing catastrophe
affecting only once-legal medical users and I'm one of those
once-legal outlaws.

Finally, the loss of genetics must be staggering. Strains
bred over a decade mostly now gone since it's doubtful the
thousands who shut down transfered their genetics to one of
the few LPs.

But for only 3 days not being able to predict the future
Manson decision and I'd be growing my own medication
economically like many others still now do. But for 3
unlucky days, I am now an outlaw if I keep treating my
conditions with the best medication I've yet found which
recent studies in jurisdictions that have recently repealed
their cannabis prohibition also support. But for 3 lousy
days, I am now faced with insurmountable hurdles to obtain
my prescribed medication. That the courts below could
dismiss my plea for interim exemption for "insufficient
evidence of illness" and for "no reasons," only adds salt to
my wounds.

As I appealed for the very same remedy as the Allard Left-
Outs are appealing for, I hope they find a way to grand-
father our Possess Permits with our Grow Permits. But until
Justice Manson's omissions are corrected, an interim
exemption was and is the only possible remedy that can get
me access to my medicine right away.

It would have been the only possible remedy for David Shea
whose action for exemption was stayed below. He couldn't
show the court sufficient evidence of his medical need and
now he's dead, no more chance to show he really needed it.
Considering the thousands of officially medically-needy
patients who lost their affordable access to medication like
I and Stephen Burrows did, and the sufferings we've endured,
the bureaucratic and judicial genocide going on staggers the
mind.
____________________
Robert Roy
 

leaffan

Well-Known Member
and another freedom fighter's plea...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.fan.john-turmel/PIfHBmY4QVk

TURMEL: Stephen Burrows Reply to Crown at SCC for medpot exemption

JCT: Stephen Burrows' Reply to the Crown's Response to his
Application for Leave to Appeal the refusal of the lower
courts to exempt him pending trial of his action for repeal
is served yesterday! Keep in mind that Terry Parker, Ray
Turmel and Robert Robert Roy have also filed Applications,
each will deal with different issues.

Terry already replied and he's a Never-In should should have
been first. Ray has his ATP and represents their concerns
under the Manson Order extending the MMAR that threatens
him.

Robert Roy's a "Left-Out," by only 3 days. His exemption
expired 3 days before Justice Manson grand-fathered his grow
permit but not his possess permit. Neat omission. Stephen's
a Left-Out too. But he also has pictures showing his
shrinking tumor with cannabis before being cut off and wants
an interim exemption to finish:

Stephen Patrick Burrows

Dec 12 2014

Mr. Roger Bilodeau, Supreme Court of Canada Registrar
310 Wellington St. Ottawa, K1A 0J1

Re: Stephen Burrows v. Her Majesty the Queen, File No. 36147

Given the Crown has provided a boiler-plate Response to my
Application and those of Terrance Parker (35156), Ray Turmel
(36159) and Robert Roy (36146), I adopt any salient
arguments from the Replies of Terrance Parker, Ray Turmel or
Stephen Burrows while focusing on my particular medical
situation.

My tumor was cut in half using marijuana grown quite
affordably under my MMAR Authorization To Possess and
Produce. In late 2013, Health Canada announced that all MMAR
personal production gardens had to be shut down and all
stored stocked destroyed by April 1 2014 when the MMPR took
effect.

On Jan 13 2014, my exemption expired. With enough stock to
last until April, I, like Robert Roy, did not renew under
the MMAR because:
1) any crop produced would just have to be destroyed on
April 1;
2) it would have wasted money in doctor fees to apply;
3) I'm on long-term social services disability pension and
could never afford to apply for the high-priced product sold
by a Licensed Producer under the MMPR.

On Mar 21 2014, Justice Manson's Order in Allard v. HMQ
grand-fathered my Grow Permit back to 2013 but not my
Possess Permit.

On Apr 29 2014, I detailed my situation to the Court but
Justice Phelan rejected an Interim Exemption for "Personal
Medical Use" ruling that the Authorization To Possess cited
in my Affidavit hearing was insufficient evidence of my
medical need. Though my affidavit was unchallenged by the
Crown, the Court wanted to see a copy of my ATP and medical
evidence.

I appealed the denial of the Interim Exemption and provided
the Federal Court of Appeal a copy of my ATP as well as
"before and after" pictures of my tumor. My appeal argues
the court has no business checking into my medical file,
it's the doctor's function! My motion for Interim Exemption
pending that appeal was denied with "no reasons" and is the
subject of this Application for Leave to Appeal.

But for Health Canada's Destruct Order by April Fool, I am
now faced with insurmountable hurdles to obtain any
affordable medication. My tumor is no longer shrinking since
my access to a plentiful supply of cheap self-grown
marijuana has been cut off by bureaucratic and judicial, not
medical, decisions.

What makes this most unconscionable is that the prohibition
threatening us all is not even still valid since it was
struck down in 2001 by Parker. 4,000 charges were stayed
while the failed exemption had failed to keep the
prohibition valid. The only reason prohibition is still
enforced by the courts is that the Ontario Court of Appeal
ruled that its Hitzig decision repealing the flaws in the
MMAR exemption had revived the CDSA prohibition that had
been invalid for 2 years due to the lack of viable
exemption. It has been pointed out to many courts that S.43
of the Interpretation Act states: 43. Where an enactment is
repealed in whole or in part, the repeal does not (a) revive
any enactment or anything not in force or existing at the
time when the repeal takes effect.

So when the defects in the MMAR were repealed to leave a
constitutional exemption, the repeal did not revive the
prohibitions not in force in the CDSA at the time when the
MMAR became no longer unconstitutional. Once the law was
invalid, whether the Hitzig Court repealed the flaws in the
MMAR or not, Parliament Only Legislates new laws to revive
the prohibition that had been invalid for 2 years. So not
only is my Right to Life violated by prohibition preventing
access to my medication, but it's a law that the judiciary
say the judiciary itself revived after it had been invalid 2
years despite S.43 saying the judiciary cannot revive dead
laws. Will the judiciary revive the invalid abortion laws,
invalid death penalty laws too? Enforcement of this
judicially-re-enacted prohibition bring the administration
of justice into disrepute.

That the courts below could dismiss my plea for interim
exemption for "insufficient evidence of illness" and for "no
reasons," only adds salt to my tumor. The blood of the
medically-needy is on the hands of the judiciary who refused
to accept that the Hitzig Court could not revive the
prohibition in the CDSA by fixing the MMAR when S.43 says it
can't.

At this stage, an Interim Exemption to return to my former
status quo is my only remedy. It would have been the only
possible remedy for David Shea whose action for exemption
was stayed below. He couldn't show the court sufficient
evidence of his medical need and he's now dead from cancer.
Given the massive recent literature on the cancer-curing
effects of cannabis, who can't wonder if David Shea might
have survived had be not been prohibited from using the
cancer-curing herb?

I hope the courts can save me from ending up a victim like
David Shea of this invalid prohibition by granting me
interim access to cannabis for my Personal Medical Use
pending my action for repeal so I can finish shrinking my
tumor and if not, explain to me why not?
_____________________________
Stephen Patrick Burrows

JCT: So all four Applications for Leave to Appeal and for
Interim Exemptions pending appeal are now filed. Three top
judges will have to sign off on whether these medically-
needy Applicants merited interim exemptions for Personal
Medical Use while their actions for repeal went on below.

In the meantime, those 4 plus 22 more appeals are now
consolidated at the Federal Court of Appeal and these four
are closely-timed and boiler-plated that to all intents and
purposes, they're consolidated at the top now. But the
motions for Interim Exemption out of the Federal Court of
Appeal will push through and all denials reach the top.

And of course, the 270 plus actions in Federal Court are
stayed pending the final disposition of Allard in 3 or 4
years unless you ask leave from Justice Phelan to change
your conditions or other relief.

And the coup de grace will be filed before Christmas,
probably.
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
The dudes in the midst of his tumor reduction and is being effected.....
come on country treat these people right.....outright legalization with zero business model in mind.
let a true business develop ..where we, as consumers of mmj and rec bud have a choice in what www.
purchase we make....and most of all make legal all home growing....unrestricted...if a person wants to grow a forest then let them grow a forest.....its a lot of work first off and secondly only good bud will sell....
by reputation...and false internet claims of course....lol
not to worry gov....revenue of course will still be taxed by legitimate businesses..
and the very safe to use BM will survive also in some respect....because its friends selling to friends......touch knuckles
 

doingdishes

Well-Known Member
from above-"Had I renewed my MMAR permits for only 3 more days, both would have been validated, not just the one"
this blew my mind because in order for you to give up one, you have to give up both. i know someone who wants to change addresses as the DG is a TOOL but if they can't because HC says they are part & parcel so i don't get how he can get one OK'd and the other one expired. i guess it's a way to make sure you go to "the dark side" due to hassles. let's send positive energy that we get to changes addresses VERY soon!
 

WHATFG

Well-Known Member
This makes no sense to me the more I think about it....if you have a licence to grow, you automatically have to posses it in order to do that....dishes your point is very valid -you can't change one without the other....
 
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