Looking for some suggestions

TIm when I watered today I went till I had a bit of runoff just so I could test it. The runoff was a bit high between 6.5-6.8 between the four plants. The tea was 7 going in.

Tim1987 said:

Still looking good mate.
Is your ph still stable?
Organic brews can raise the ph in media. It may as well be a liquid mulch.
Hows the ph further down the pot? Any hot spots?
Looking good.
Tim

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Growitpondifarm said:

Little update, blueberries till looking sad

Fed everything in tent, expcept one blueberry(back right in full pic) a Tea per microbeman recipe, nutrient recipe, not the basic EWC one.

Both blueberries still looking sad. I’ll see if the one that received Brew today reactes any differently, positive or negative. View attachment 4104033
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The tangies on the other hand are loving life , same regiment.
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I do think I went a little light on the perlite in my mix, wondering if that can be part of the issue with the blueberries. I have also read that this strain is a pain in the ass in general so who knows.

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They look nice..leaves are praying Just cut back a bit on the nitrogen, otherwise..looking good!

Growitpondifarm said:

TIm when I watered today I went till I had a bit of runoff just so I could test it. The runoff was a bit high between 6.5-6.8 between the four plants. The tea was 7 going in.

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Ok.
Have you still been giving tiny sulphur at a time? Every second watering.
Have you taken a soil sample from the bottom of the pot aswell? Runoff only gives a reliable average.
Good luck
Tim

I haven’t given them any epsoms in a bit Tim. I plan on giving them a light dose with next watering, which has been about every four days at this point. I guess I could top dress a tbsp of gypsum if you think I’m still short on sulfur. I cut back on the epsom foliar feedings. Haven’t hit them with that since last Friday.

I have not taken a sample from the bottom of the pot, what’s the best way to go about this ? I’m assuming once you have a sample of soil from the bottom you mix it with some water and take test from that?

blitz, I haven’t really given these girls any nitrogen(in terms of fertilizers). I believe my mix was most definitely a bit to heavy on nitrogen to begin with. Next soil batch I cook will be with this in mind for sure.

The tangies are praying and looking great, the blueberries not so much, super interesting to me how different strains can react so differently. It’s all a learning experience, I’m enjoying the ride

All good.
You can mix a sample with distilled water, to test ph and ppm with your probe. You should be able to find the ratio on google.
You need to know whether its calcium, magnesium or nitrogen.
And whether its a deficiency or lockout! Most importantly.
Good luck mate
Tim

Another update, same story on the blueberries, droopy sad looking fan leaves. Buddies are swelling and a bit frost starting to pop, 18 days since light flip.

The tea appeared to help a bit for them, but damn these things are frustrating. I’m not really concerned about this run so much as getting things dialed for next run. Frustrating that I can’t seem to deliver any change with them. I will be building my soil mix from scratch next grow instead of mixing brand name soils like I did this run.

Here are the two blueberries


^BB#1

^BB#2

And here are the tangielopes, same soil, same watering etc. looking solid, which just adds to the confusion


Getting kind of late to make major changes on the BB but if you guys have any other ideas let me know!

What’s Up Guys,

The sicker of the two blueberries has a couple ugly lower fan leaves. The top fan leaves aren’t losing color but continue to be a bit droopy/clawed.

Here is a picture of said fan leaves


Here’s a picture from the new growth/budsites starting to go a bit purple on the fans


Do those messed up fan leaves help anyone out with a diagnosis? I’m leaning towards poor drainage in soil potentially since I haven’t been water more Jan once every 3-4 days for the past two weeks.

Growitpondifarm said:

What’s Up Guys,

The sicker of the two blueberries has a couple ugly lower fan leaves. The top fan leaves aren’t losing color but continue to be a bit droopy/clawed.

Here is a picture of said fan leaves
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Here’s a picture from the new growth/budsites starting to go a bit purple on the fans
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Do those messed up fan leaves help anyone out with a diagnosis? I’m leaning towards poor drainage in soil potentially since I haven’t been water more Jan once every 3-4 days for the past two weeks.

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How much calcium or magnesijm have you given, since cutting back on nitrogen?
You might have needed to back off on those as well.
Whats your mediums ph?

I gave them one dose of epsom salt last week, 4 tbsp/4 1/2 gallons of bubbled tap(obviously they didn’t get he full 4.5 gal). It was around ph 7 going in.

Growitpondifarm said:

I gave hem one does of epsom salt last wee, 4 tbsp/4 1/2 gallons of bubbled tap(obviously they didn’t get he full 4.5 gal). It was around ph 7 going in.

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If it was me.
Id give it some liquid sulphur to bring the ph down! Sulphur is great for flower. Adds weight, smells etc. Just add less than the bottle states.
Id just ride it out for a while. No more nutes. No more ebsom. Nothing, just a little sulphur and water.
I think you would have a shit tone of cal, and mag. In my opinion you dont need any fertz until you start to see some improvement.
Good luck mate.
Keep in touch

Thanks Tim, can I mix some powdered gypsum with next watering? Not using any liquid nuts in this grow really. Been brewing microbe(EWC) teas along with a few nutrient teas(kelp as of late).

I’ll get a bag of gypsum and add some to my next watering

Growitpondifarm said:

Thanks Tim, can I mix some powdered gypsum with next watering? Not using any liquid nuts in this grow really. Been brewing microbe(EWC) teas along with a few nutrient teas(kelp as of late).

I’ll get a bag of gypsum and add some to my next watering

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NO.
Liquid sulphur, and water. THATS IT.
Gypsum has calcium.
LIQUID SULPHUR. You'll find it at your local hardware. Just use a little less, than stated on the bottle, and follow the directions.
Just ride this one out brother.
Good luck

Yes after I posted that I did some more research on the gypsum, if my soil is overloaded with calcium(assumed reason for higher PH) I most definitely don’t want to add gypsum as it has a neutral effect on soil ph and loaded with calcium. I’ll try the sulfur, I’m assuming this stuff is super strong I’ll add to next watering, try and get my water PH down a bit.

Thanks for the Help Tim!

Anyone else feel free to chime in

Growitpondifarm said:

Yes after I posted that I did some more research on the gypsum, if my soil is overloaded with calcium(assumed reason for higher PH) I most definitely don’t want to add gypsum as it has a neutral effect on soil ph and loaded with calcium. I’ll try the sulfur, I’m assuming this stuff is super strong I’ll add to next watering, try and get my water PH down a bit.

Thanks for the Help Tim!

Anyone else feel free to chime in

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No worries man
Its not that its really strong. Its just that its still, fairly whole, and organic. Takes a while to start activating. Probably a week or so.
You dont wanna have the oppposite problem, in a few weeks.
Your plant's gonna love it, though.
Just do it slowly, in small increments.
Id be monitoring for a change, with a ph stake too. Itll be more accurate in your soil, than your runoff. Just leave it in the pot. They're super, super handy!!
You'll be able to grab one, for around $10 at the hardware, when you grab your sulphur.
Good luck dude.

Maybe grab two ph stakes as well. Just to make sure they're accurate. They can be a bit funky sometimes.
At least you'll have one to leave in the blueberry, and one for the others anyway.

Sorry i haven't read all the comments so forgive me if you already addressed what gonna say but.... Your plant has the claw. If you made your soil your soil then it must be to hot. If you've been feeding it stop. either way you should flush the shit out of it and let it dry back out. It could be over watering also. Let that bitch dry out all the way between watering's. If you have mites then chop the whole thing down get rid of everything and clean your grow area so you can start over.

Ghost of Davy Jones said:

Sorry i haven't read all the comments so forgive me if you already addressed what gonna say but.... Your plant has the claw. If you made your soil your soil then it must be to hot. If you've been feeding it stop. either way you should flush the shit out of it and let it dry back out. It could be over watering also. Let that bitch dry out all the way between watering's. If you have mites then chop the whole thing down get rid of everything and clean your grow area so you can start over.

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Davy,

My soil was definitely hot to begin with, but I don’t think super hot as the tangielopes I have in the same soil are doing great.

I am starting to believe that my issues are related to the high ph of my soil mix, as my runoff was upwards of 6.8 last time I checked. I mixed lime in my mix but nothing more than I typically would add in prior runs. Difference this time is that I haven’t been using chemical fertilizers so There wasn’t anything to counteract the effects of the lime. Next run I will definitely be cooking my mix for longer period of time and using a much smaller percentage of lime for my rock dust amendment. I’m going to give the sulphur a shot and see how they respond. At this point I’m using this run more as an expierment to gain knowledge on the organic living soil route.

Spider mites are around, not in high levels and I put some predator mites in yesterday and haven’t seen anymore progress. At this point they’re the least of my worries, I’ve dealt with them before. The room will get a good cleaning before next run.

Good luck man.
I think you'll be quite surprised in the comeback they may make.
Best wishes, keep us all updated.

Tim, local hardware store didn’t have any liquid sulfphur. I bought a bag of the epsoma organic soul acidified which is simply elemental sulfur pellets. I mixed up some with some 2 day old bubbles tap, roughly 5 tbsp in around 2.5 gallons of water. The PH of the mix is still at 7.3, it doesn’t seem to want to come down.

Any ideas if the mix is too weak or that it will come down over time

I think if it's epsoma acidifier for outdoors it is meant to release slowly, so it's still not what you want. But maybe that's another epsoma product. I'm trying blueberry out too but you're much further along then I am. I don't know if mine is a DJ though, guess not. My notes say Blueberry doesn't want much nutes, but does like ca/mg, but I would take the ca/mg comment with a grain of salt, no pun intended. I'd guess you have enough Ca/Mg. I noticed my bb though small it is a little skunky and the best smelling in the room. The bugs seem to prefer it too as I see a few nibbles only out of the bb but haven't seen the culprits. I thought too much h20 too perhaps.