Locked Facility

Cheech Bong

Cheech Bong

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I read in the draft that we can cultivate 12 plants in a locked facility. What is the definition of a locked facility?

I just want to make sure I am doing things the right way. Thanks for your help.
 
YThor

YThor

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Cheech Bong said:
I read in the draft that we can cultivate 12 plants in a locked facility. What is the definition of a locked facility?
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It's more like "enclosed." The word "locked" appears in the draft only twice, both times associated with dispensaries.

For an individual grower, the grow would have to be "enclosed," meaning either inside your home (or other structure with walls and a ceiling, or a closet), or (heh) an outdoor grow with 10' tall (down from 12' in the original) "metal, concrete or stone" walls made so the contents are not visible. Then the top needs to be covered with hard-core metal such as chain-link weave or 1/4" wire with a maximum gap of 1".

As for "lock," speaking as a locksmith myself, it ranges from cheap-ass cabinet locks to high-security Medeco, Abloy, Assa, whatever. Those who write the law consider a lock to be a lock; funny they don't think that way about walls for outdoor grows. That $12 made-in-China Kwikset isn't going to provide the same security as a $180 single-cylinder Medeco deadbolt on your door, that's for sure.

But then again- security through obscurity. Even if it's for your own medical purposes, telling others you're growing dope indoors is not a very bright thing to do. If they don't know it's there, they have little reason to break in.
 
Cheech Bong

Cheech Bong

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But then again- security through obscurity. Even if it's for your own medical purposes, telling others you're growing dope indoors is not a very bright thing to do. If they don't know it's there, they have little reason to break in.[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about telling people, I just wanted to know if anyone had wind on what a locked facility was???? Umm okay
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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Cheech Bong said:
Who said anything about telling people, I just wanted to know if anyone had wind on what a locked facility was???? Umm okay
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It's a good bit of knowledge to drop ;) At least he answered your question first?


I had thought that the area had to be an enclosed & locked area for the growing maybe I was thinking wrong?
 
YThor

YThor

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Sr. Verde said:
I had thought that the area had to be an enclosed & locked area for the growing maybe I was thinking wrong?
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For dispensaries, it must be within an "enclosed, locked facility." If growing outdoors, that means 10' walls, etc. If growing indoors, it means "A building with four walls and a roof or an indoor room or closet."

And then the specifications after that (two references in the latest draft rules), it is for "an enclosed, locked facility."

Meaning that the enclosure must be locked. There is no specification given as to the locking device, so presumably a $20 Kwikset deadbolt on each door of the facility would suffice. The law seems fairly ambiguous as to whether the individual room/closet is to be locked if growing at home, but figure if there are kids in the home and the grow room isn't locked, the state'll probably want to take your kids away.

Not that you need to put your Oxycontin under lock and key, but, you know, marijuana is so much more lethal and stuff.

Look at it this way: there needs to be a lock on doors such that there is no way the person on the street can get to the plants under cultivation through a door without a lock.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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YThor said:
For dispensaries, it must be within an "enclosed, locked facility." If growing outdoors, that means 10' walls, etc. If growing indoors, it means "A building with four walls and a roof or an indoor room or closet."

And then the specifications after that (two references in the latest draft rules), it is for "an enclosed, locked facility."

Meaning that the enclosure must be locked. There is no specification given as to the locking device, so presumably a $20 Kwikset deadbolt on each door of the facility would suffice. The law seems fairly ambiguous as to whether the individual room/closet is to be locked if growing at home, but figure if there are kids in the home and the grow room isn't locked, the state'll probably want to take your kids away.

Not that you need to put your Oxycontin under lock and key, but, you know, marijuana is so much more lethal and stuff.

Look at it this way: there needs to be a lock on doors such that there is no way the person on the street can get to the plants under cultivation through a door without a lock.
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Great info +rep


Good to hear about the personal patient grow.

IF your even allowed to grow :lol:

fucking ridiculous zoning they are talking about
 
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weedman82

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while I don't agree, with it only being indoors, I do agree it should be in a locked facility. unless you live out in the boonies, ther are a lot of desperate ass mutherfukers in inner city phoenix, lets not forget this is the tweek capitol!

I think its almost for your own protection, it be locked. or at least guarded.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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Well no doubt you'd want to lock up your valuables.. it's common sense.. just as you do with anything else
 
SWUSAZ

SWUSAZ

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Please go to the DHS site and post your public comments on the BS 25 mile crap that the high rollers are trying to influence those whom are writting this we the people can and MUST speak out on to fix this pocket lining(NOT OURS) clause. If they do not listen lets make sure they are removed from office.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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SWUSAZ said:
Please go to the DHS site and post your public comments on the BS 25 mile crap that the high rollers are trying to influence those whom are writting this we the people can and MUST speak out on to fix this pocket lining(NOT OURS) clause. If they do not listen lets make sure they are removed from office.
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az would be the greatest place ever if that law was enacted like that

id move there :lol:
 
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Flawed

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From my understanding, Will Humble (head of DHS), says he does not have the power to change the 25 mile rule. So we are basically stuck with this crippled law the way it is, which is to make dispensarys rich, because thats what we were tricked into voting into law.
 
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jrut

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Flawed said:
From my understanding, Will Humble (head of DHS), says he does not have the power to change the 25 mile rule. So we are basically stuck with this crippled law the way it is, which is to make dispensarys rich, because thats what we were tricked into voting into law.
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At the Flagstaff DHS meeting someone brought up the fact DHS removed greenhouse as a growing facility, greenhouse was in 203 just the same as 25-mile rule. They seem to have the power to remove greenhouse.
Nearly all other mmj states allow patient cultivation. Number of cardholders to patient cultivation incidents percentage is negligible. Hear that DHS
 
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jrut

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SWUSAZ said:
Please go to the DHS site and post your public comments on the BS 25 mile crap that the high rollers are trying to influence those whom are writting this we the people can and MUST speak out on to fix this pocket lining(NOT OURS) clause. If they do not listen lets make sure they are removed from office.
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Make sure you give AZDHS your comments and suggestions Fridays the last day
http://www.azdhs.gov/prop203/

This was mine
AZDHS please consider in your rule making. The cost of patient card. Other mmj States average patient card cost is aprox. 55.00
25-mile rule. Here is the reason for the 25-mile rule "to give a market to the dispensaries in the community so they'd be viable" This was said by Andrew Myers the spokesman for MMP the crafters of prop 203
14 other States allow patient cultivation, the percentage of patient cultivation incidents to number of cardholders is negligible. The cost of patient cultivation will be in the hundreds of dollars annually. The cost from dispensaries will be many thousands of dollars annually per patient, this is a huge financial penalty to the patient. Many patients will not have access to this medicine for that reason. Cultivation of marijuana is not toxic to people, pets or the environment, there is no valid reason to not allow patient’s to cultivate for themselves.

I also suggested, if they allow wholesale farming, they allow direct patient sales by shipping and or delivery. This would allow commercial growers to get around all the BS rules to not have to open a storefront(dispensary) and the shipping and delivery will keep growers locations private.


 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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Yes the 25 mile rule is very backwards


You cant grow, so you have to buy.. So you must buy it from people who aren't supposed to be making any money by growing it...

So whats the official reasoning for the 25 mile rule, to create a market that doesn't make any money?

That's not really a market, that's bullshit.
 
YThor

YThor

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Well, if you'd like to make the dispensaries really nervous, let's start yammering about a ballot proposition to get rid of the 25-mile rule, shall we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_ballot_proposition

In order to make it onto the ballot, you need a petition that is signed by 10% the number of people who voted in the previous gubernatorial election. Prop 203 in 2010 had ~250,000 signatures, and they needed 153,364. Many of those signatures are invalid, so there's a need for substantial overkill.

But for 2012, you'll need 172,608 signatures:

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Arizona_signature_requirements

So, something like 173,000 signatures to get a ballot proposition on the 2012 general elections. About 1 million Independents, 1 million Democrats, 1.14 million Republicans- call it a nice, round 3 million registered voters.

Signature deadline is 5 July, 2012. I don't know if there's a time frame (90 days, 180 days, whatever) from the time one starts collecting signatures.

But the industry will take some time to shake itself out; if it'll take dispensaries 2-3 years before they start turning a profit, just the IDEA of circulating a petition to add a ballot proposition to get rid of the 25-mile rule will make a lot of people who want to make a lot of money very anxious, and probably bail on their plans. Throw in some fear, uncertainty, and doubt- the same way the Arizona Medical Marijuana Project has done for the patients who actually need the medicine.
 
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