Lockdowns work.

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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It’s very telling when you look at the commentary two weeks ago as compared to today! Dynamic is a great discription as the numbers and graphs are dependent on testing, areas of testing and lastly deaths. The true depth of these numbers will not be known for some time and right now the whole thing is a giant “I wonder what will happen if we......”. The one thing that we can rely on is that it’s an obvious fact that lock downs do help prevent the spread and slow it down. Now there will be some hard decisions here in Ontario as to what areas of the province do we open and others not so much. Right now I would be backing up a few steps if a Torontonian were to walk even 6’ towards me lol. Do we limit travel from city to city and city to town?
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Im having a Covid test in a couple hrs. Will be interesting.

Lock downs work- Look at New Zealand, they did the exact opposite of Sweden.

"Fewer than 1,500 people have been infected with Covid-19 in New Zealand, and 21 people have died, after the government pursued a vigorous elimination strategy, shutting its borders on 15 March and entering a country-wide lockdown 10 days later.
- while New Zealand’s prime minister has reached near record-breaking approval levels, the country is remaining vigilant. “



It seems to be mainly Americans who argue against the time proven response to Pandemics.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Good article i just came across.
www.theguardian.com

Was Australia right to shut down to slow coronavirus? The economists' verdict

Debate now turns to how quickly to relax Covid-19 restrictions, and whether lockdowns made sense in the first place
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

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$90bn versus $1.1tn
In the cold calculus of cost-benefit analysis, a highly pessimistic view of the economic costs of Australia’s shutdown comes to around $90bn.

It is a small price to pay compared to the statistical value of lives the shutdown should save, around A$1.1tn.

It produces a simple message. The shutdown wins.


'It's been murder': regulars flock back to Sydney pubs and bars as Covid-19 lockdowns ease


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The question we now face is how quickly to relax restrictions. Here, too, there are costs and benefits, and we need to be mindful of the economic cost of a second-wave outbreak, plus mortality costs of disease spread before effective treatments or vaccine become available.

And in all of this bean counting, we should remember that putting a price tag on human life is sometimes unavoidable – such as when a doctor with access to only one ventilator has to choose between two patients.

But we shouldn’t mistake necessity for desirability. We should seek to avoid needing to make such wrenching choices whenever possible.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Lucky Luke said:
Im having a Covid test in a couple hrs. Will be interesting.

Lock downs work- Look at New Zealand, they did the exact opposite of Sweden.

"Fewer than 1,500 people have been infected with Covid-19 in New Zealand, and 21 people have died, after the government pursued a vigorous elimination strategy, shutting its borders on 15 March and entering a country-wide lockdown 10 days later.
- while New Zealand’s prime minister has reached near record-breaking approval levels, the country is remaining vigilant. “



It seems to be mainly Americans who argue against the time proven response to Pandemics.
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I see hundreds here walking around without masks, not staying 6’ apart, actually told a 60 year old women to step back and maybe consider a mask and stop being selfish yesterday. I guess I’m saying there are dumb people everywhere :(.
I think I may get into trouble soon lol.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Budley Doright said:
I see hundreds here walking around without masks, not staying 6’ apart, actually told a 60 year old women to step back and maybe consider a mask and stop being selfish yesterday. I guess I’m saying there are dumb people everywhere :(.
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Only around 3-5% wear masks here but then we locked down fairly fast. Social distancing and having shops closed, along with a number on people congregating, visiting and even having national parks closed kept the virus from becoming rampant.
But yes, some people still dont get social distance.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Lucky Luke said:
Good article i just came across.
www.theguardian.com

Was Australia right to shut down to slow coronavirus? The economists' verdict

Debate now turns to how quickly to relax Covid-19 restrictions, and whether lockdowns made sense in the first place
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

"
$90bn versus $1.1tn
In the cold calculus of cost-benefit analysis, a highly pessimistic view of the economic costs of Australia’s shutdown comes to around $90bn.

It is a small price to pay compared to the statistical value of lives the shutdown should save, around A$1.1tn.

It produces a simple message. The shutdown wins.


'It's been murder': regulars flock back to Sydney pubs and bars as Covid-19 lockdowns ease


Read more
The question we now face is how quickly to relax restrictions. Here, too, there are costs and benefits, and we need to be mindful of the economic cost of a second-wave outbreak, plus mortality costs of disease spread before effective treatments or vaccine become available.

And in all of this bean counting, we should remember that putting a price tag on human life is sometimes unavoidable – such as when a doctor with access to only one ventilator has to choose between two patients.

But we shouldn’t mistake necessity for desirability. We should seek to avoid needing to make such wrenching choices whenever possible.
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Now that ya did it right, thanks in part to your "splendid isolation", you can figure out how to open up without committing national suicide!
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Budley Doright said:
I see hundreds here walking around without masks, not staying 6’ apart, actually told a 60 year old women to step back and maybe consider a mask and stop being selfish yesterday. I guess I’m saying there are dumb people everywhere :(.
I think I may get into trouble soon lol.
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Mask availability and public education, there is still no mask public education here and availability issues are most likely the cause for many not wearing them. They need to stock them in the grocery stores and give ya a free one before you come in the door, or don't come in.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Now that ya did it right, thanks in part to your "splendid isolation".
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We are close to China and our Universities attract many, many Chinese students. Shutting down the countries borders to people traveling from China worked well. Our cases came from Cruise ships (Ruby princess was the worst one) and American travellers in the main.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Lucky Luke said:
We are close to China and our Universities attract many, many Chinese students. Shutting down the countries borders to people traveling from China worked well. Our cases came from Cruise ships (Ruby princess was the worst one) and American travellers in the main.
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Yeah we had an American problem too, had to close the border to the heathen until they get better management... :D A lot of our cases came from the states.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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The way the American population have reacted has shown the world how easy it would be to turn America into a 3rd world country. Just introduce a much more lethal and contagious virus. Their idea of what "freedom" is will do the rest of the work.
 
captainmorgan

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Lucky Luke said:
The way the American population have reacted has shown the world how easy it would be to turn America into a 3rd world country. Just introduce a much more lethal and contagious virus. Their idea of what "freedom" is will do the rest of the work.
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Watching the coverage of these protesters would make you think there are vast numbers of these idiots. When they protested my state capital there was only a few hundred village idiots from around the state, we have 10 million people in our state.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Lucky Luke said:
The way the American population have reacted has shown the world how easy it would be to turn America into a 3rd world country. Just introduce a much more lethal and contagious virus. Their idea of what "freedom" is will do the rest of the work.
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I'm sure its giving some nasty folks ideas, its being studied, China has a windfall through Trump's mismanagement. Get rid of Trump and the republicans for a decade and ya won't recognise the place. This might be the last pandemic, after the shit kicking the world is taking after this little go round, they will be ahead of the game on the next one, we are on the cusp of biological and medical breakthroughs that will deal more effectively and quickly with this shit.

The rest of the world is solving this problem and thanks to Trump America has been spinning its wheels while being driven by denial and magical thinking, Unfortunately indulging in Donald will cost many lives, most likely among his supporters and their families from here on out, Darwinian selection will become an increasing factor, especially in the red states!
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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captainmorgan said:
Deplorables is a perfect description of them, while protesting here they blocked the entrance of a hospital ER so ambulances couldn't bring people in.
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I see they busted one clown for making death threats against Whitmer. Is the FBI investigating death threats and acts of terrorism against blue state governors or governments? Many threats are online and from out of state, what is Bill Barr doing to address this?
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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I wonder how the number of death threats Obama got compares to the number Trump has received? I'm sure the secret service has the data, think it's in the public domain?
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Actually Obama's data surprised me, Bush II seems popular with the loonie bunch and I've noticed an increase for Donald since 2018, I wonder what 2019 and 2020 will look like!

finance.yahoo.com

Prosecutions for death threats against US politicians spiked last year

The majority of political death threats overall come from white, male, Americans on the far right, according to an analysis by the Prosecution Project at Miami University in Ohio.
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But looking at it another way...
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The number of prosecutions, which don’t necessarily correspond with actual threats, can represent the government’s willingness to press cases at any given time. Researchers say the vast majority of threats overall in the US tend to come from white men who support right-wing causes.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Trump’s Censorship Of CDC Guidelines 'Puts The American Public At An Extreme Disadvantage' | MSNBC

Former Health and Human Services secretary and Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius discusses the White House’s “very troubling” suppression of the Center for Disease Control’s 68-page reopening guide.
 
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