Lighting question 4 (600w) or 2 (1000w) in 5x9 tent

NukaKola

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45w sq/ft isnt enough for optimal production.

Ive been using 1000w SE-HID since they came out in 1978, and have never run into issues, but Ive always had good growing conditions, like tons of fresh air, and ventilation.

Also if one uses a DE HID with the 4800umol, your good to go with 2 lights in 45 sq/ft.... DE-HID is good for a 5 x 5 anyway. so 2 of them will cover 50 sq/ft.

The going by w/sq is a guide, and is correct for measuring normal SE-HID, but the DE-HID is a bit more efficient, and powerful so it doesnt really apply to DE-HID
2 of the DE-HID is equal in PAR to 3x 1000w Hortilux.

But 45w sq/ft isnt strong enough for Single Ended HID. It is for DE-HID at 1150w.

The sun is closer to 125w sq/ft at the equator. Its never less than 100w sq/ft. Go up 6000-8000 feet into the Andes, and the light is even stronger, especially UVA/B. The main thing is the stronger the light, the more fresh air/CO2 you need.

We start seeds under 1150w DE Gavita.
Maybe 3 1000w in a sealed room with 10-12’ ceilings but for a 5x9 tent that is likely not more than 8’ tall 2 1000W SE’s or even 3 600W is fine.

Personally I would go with 3 600W for a tent since it requires less distance from canopy and you likely won’t need the extra penetration of the 1000w since there isn’t enough available canopy space with the limited height of a tent.

The recommended height from canopy for a 1000w DE is 30-36”, then factor in about two feet for the pots and light itself and you’re only left with 3’ of available canopy height.
Sure you can start seeds under a 1k Gavita but what’s the point. That’s a waste of money. An LED or CMH will veg plants just as good for a fraction of the cost.
 

Beastly

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i had to go SE for convenience of cooling in the tent and room i have but i went with two xxxl magnum hoods i have a 5x9 tent but will most likely only have a 4x8 canopy so i believe this will be enough ill keep you guys posted
 

Beastly

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Maybe 3 1000w in a sealed room with 10-12’ ceilings but for a 5x9 tent that is likely not more than 8’ tall 2 1000W SE’s or even 3 600W is fine.

Personally I would go with 3 600W for a tent since it requires less distance from canopy and you likely won’t need the extra penetration of the 1000w since there isn’t enough available canopy space with the limited height of a tent.

The recommended height from canopy for a 1000w DE is 30-36”, then factor in about two feet for the pots and light itself and you’re only left with 3’ of available canopy height.
Sure you can start seeds under a 1k Gavita but what’s the point. That’s a waste of money. An LED or CMH will veg plants just as good for a fraction of the cost.
i couldn't do gavitas i really wanted to do the 3 600s but got talked in to the 2 1ks hopefully i like the coverage they give me i figure it would be nice to have the extra 200w in the small space
 

Beastly

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I wanted to thank all of you who gave your input i took everyones info into consideration good to have people willing to help out!
 

jimihendrix1

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Gavita says the 1150w DE HID is supposed to be run from 36in-40in. I tried closer ( 30 inches ) and they started showing light stress ( Infrared ) in 2 days.
 

NukaKola

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Gavita says the 1150w DE HID is supposed to be run from 36in-40in. I tried closer ( 30 inches ) and they started showing light stress ( Infrared ) in 2 days.
Yeah they are definitely a commercial production light, great for greenhouses as well, not so much for tents or vertically challenged rooms though.
 

jimihendrix1

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We use those hoods, and Hortilux HPS bulbs. 2 of those will optimally blast a 4 x 8 area, and also give you a little room to work in, and also will help by not overcrowding them. We dont have ours in a tent, and use fresh air and cross ventilation, and a bunch if fans. I like to always have the plants moving a small amount. We use both basements, and bedrooms.
Also we grow big plants in large 20 containers usually. Promix BX because we are in a no-no state, so plant count is paramount. We also bend our plants, and make them grow horizontally into a hedge. Like a Forsythia Bush We grow plants that stretch a good bit, 3x-5x, so one doesnt have to veg as long. Mr Nice Super Silver Haze has high yielding, potent, fast growing, big stretch phenos, and is an easy strain to find. Nothing beats a good SSH for plant structure.
We also do not top, and train all the side branching when we bend the plants over. SSH is a very branchy plant, and every branch turns into a main cola, if given enough light, food/water, and soil. We get 20oz per plant/per 1000w Hortilux, and the plant/clone vegged for 7-8 weeks, starting in 5 gallons soil, then transplanted into 20 gallons, all the while being Bent, and Trained. We can only get 4 plants in a 4 x 8 rea, and 20 gallon containers, but we can sneak 3-4 smaller 5 gallon containers around the garden where there is some excess, wasted light on the edges. On a good run we get 47oz from 2 1000w Hortilux in 4 x 8.

Heres 1 branch ( 56 Grams Trimmed/Dried ) from a plant that got 24oz. This is a Kosher Kush. 1 plant took up the whole 4 x 4 and 1000w HID, and was 4ft tall at finish.

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JoeBlow5823

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45w sq/ft isnt enough for optimal production.

Ive been using 1000w SE-HID since they came out in 1978, and have never run into issues, but Ive always had good growing conditions, like tons of fresh air, and ventilation.

Also if one uses a DE HID with the 4800umol, your good to go with 2 lights in 45 sq/ft.... DE-HID is good for a 4 x 6 anyway. so 2 of them will cover 50 sq/ft.

The going by w/sq is a guide, and is correct for measuring normal SE-HID, but the DE-HID is a bit more efficient, and powerful so it doesnt really apply to DE-HID
2 of the DE-HID is equal in PAR to 3x 1000w Hortilux.

But 45w sq/ft isnt strong enough for Single Ended HID. It is for DE-HID at 1150w.

The sun is closer to 125w sq/ft at the equator. Its never less than 100w sq/ft. Go up 6000-8000 feet into the Andes, and the light is even stronger, especially UVA/B. The main thing is the stronger the light, the more fresh air/CO2 you need.

We start seeds under 1150w DE Gavita.
Yeah man im not quite the old timer you are, but ive done my research. I run a 1000w DE in a 5x5 @ 1100w. As a hobby grower ive ran into problems that wouldnt have come up if I was running less power. But im willing to push the limits. Growing under lights like this is a commitment.

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I bought a 6'' taller tent and upgraded to a 8'' fan on a 10x39 filter to make this setup run like clockwork. Ive also got a plan to get the light up 6'' higher than the tent. Its going to be just about perfect. Cant wait for the next flower cycle.
 
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