Michael Huntherz
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Not just that, but upgrade the service, 4x1kW is going to be a big (unlikely to be viable) load for a standard 15 amp room circuit.
Lighting 10x10 room
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nk14zp
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Best advice so far.
Stephenj37826
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Lec is a good option but at the price point one is better off getting cob led. For instance 315 lec is roughly 450 PPF or so to the canopy. PLC cx300 is 720 PPF to the canopy . So lec is less efficient and same cost basically PPF per dollar. Well after first year you buy a 100 dollar bulb for lec PLC just keeps going. The reason for all this confusion right now is there is no imperical data on what amount of light is actual put to the canopy in hid.
Yes or as I stated your going to need an isle so do 1 side hid other cob led. Get some testing done on quality as well. Nothing better than science experiments to me. I grew just for that reason. I like to try and push the envelope as much as possible when I can. I drive a hybrid that I rigged up a plugin hybrid in late 2010. I was getting 75 mph average back then lol. 600s give you more points of light is the real benefit. I think hortilux is 1100 umol for thier 600 and 1850 for thier 1000 if I'm not mistaken. So pretty close really.
Stephenj37826
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Here's a little inspiration for everyone. Like I said if I come on strong it's because I felt as if op was being misled. You came on strong as well. Now that that's over enjoy.
a mongo frog
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No i did not come on strong. You just thought it was a bad idea I suggested hps lighting for the guy. You went on this whole photon trip if I remember right. And then began calling me a dick head. It's good for the thread for us to argue about this or that. I have no issue in being wrong about things. But you saying the op is being misled is horse shit. I think you should apologize for that. Your a good dude and I enjoyed the arguments we had. Passion goes a long ways in gardening. It's obvious you and I share a passion for growing. And please stop quoting me I thought we were done. I'll let you have the last words though. I'm a gentlemen like that.
Stephenj37826
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The misled part I was talking about was 4000 watts of hps for 400 bucks and Ac for 900. Maybe I misread that? And in the real world if you call someone a flat out liar like in post about 7000 dollars and you know it that is being pretty rude or dickheadish in my book lol. sorry call it like 99% of people would see it. Like I said man Sorry for the long drawed out whatever. I do agree hps for startup is a viable option. I still believe that cob led is viable though even in initial setup. Controlled environment agriculture is the future no arguing there. Also air cooled cobs will pay for themselves in a sealed Grow faster than 5-6 years . In a new Grow setup the initial cost of Ac will be reduced helping to compensate for the extra cost. I figure by time you calculate electrical savings from fixture itself and Ac cost and then calculate bulb change costs you will break even in less than two years.
Sorry I didn't respond earlier guys, had something come up. Anyways, yes, I only have 1 grow under my belt right now, although I have been growing other species of plants indoors (not that it matters) for years.
I don't mind the arguing in this thread either, doesn't bother me. Yes, I will be going smaller before I do that size although I want to learn more about LEDs before I just put one together, that's why I asked initially. If the overall consensus from experienced members was that it wasn't worth going LED in that size of a room then I wouldn't bother delving into LEDs at all...I like to do research before I take action.
I do have that startup money for the LEDs but that is a lot to drop on it initially, so I have a couple questions. Any intelligent responses are appreciated.
1. Apart from computer fans, that many LEDs wouldn't require any other type of cooling such as AC, etc correct? This does not take into account other sources of heat such as the heat outdoors, pumps, other electrical devices etc...
2. I see some people said that 3200 watt CXB's would compare with 4000 watt HPS...is that 3200 watts the amount drawn from the wall or at a lower amount due to the lower efficiency?
3. The flower/veg areas will be separate. I would like to do a perpetual grow unless there is a good reason not to. Does a 75% light for flower/25% light for veg sound like a good split? For example, if using 3200 watts, 2400 watts are for flower and 800 watts are for veg. Moms and clones will be separate from the flower/veg rooms.
Please note, I do have a larger space than 10x10, much larger actually, so space isn't an issue.
I don't mind the arguing in this thread either, doesn't bother me. Yes, I will be going smaller before I do that size although I want to learn more about LEDs before I just put one together, that's why I asked initially. If the overall consensus from experienced members was that it wasn't worth going LED in that size of a room then I wouldn't bother delving into LEDs at all...I like to do research before I take action.
I do have that startup money for the LEDs but that is a lot to drop on it initially, so I have a couple questions. Any intelligent responses are appreciated.
1. Apart from computer fans, that many LEDs wouldn't require any other type of cooling such as AC, etc correct? This does not take into account other sources of heat such as the heat outdoors, pumps, other electrical devices etc...
2. I see some people said that 3200 watt CXB's would compare with 4000 watt HPS...is that 3200 watts the amount drawn from the wall or at a lower amount due to the lower efficiency?
3. The flower/veg areas will be separate. I would like to do a perpetual grow unless there is a good reason not to. Does a 75% light for flower/25% light for veg sound like a good split? For example, if using 3200 watts, 2400 watts are for flower and 800 watts are for veg. Moms and clones will be separate from the flower/veg rooms.
Please note, I do have a larger space than 10x10, much larger actually, so space isn't an issue.
OneHitDone
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The PC fans in or on the led units just remove the heat from the heat sinks to the room.
Your still gonna have to cool the grow space by air circulation or a/c
JimmyIndica
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The price will always be dependent on fixture makeup. When someone is putting $68 3590s in fixture? Price goes up quickly.
IMO the question is always? Did they get the spacing/case size correct before anything else.
Stephenj37826
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True that. In a multiple light installation this is much less of an issue of coarse. Funny thing is people think inverse square law means the light just disappeared lol. It just means it's spreading out. The small case size saves on costs all around. A footprint will be provided shortly for these "small case" lights.
Greengenes707
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Yes...what a shit show this is. And this one is all on the "led guys" being pretentious asses IMO.
@Stephenj37826 So do you have a GARDEN with $50K of cobs. Just because you have a company invested 50K in inventory of COBS doesn't make you an experienced COB grower that can speak at a level like that. You can not make such claims without actually showing them...while actually being truthful at least. You can say cobs are great and they do "X"...and hps does "Y"...but you can not make the comparison directly in results cause you, or anyone else here, has not done it. So don't say it..stay truthful and don't fuck up what progress LEDs have made.
You can get average DE setups for ~300$ just buying one single light. Warehouses setups are practically free theses days. And moguls are stupid cheap...125$ full setups. Any hps can be cooled for a few 100$ and 200w for a 4K setup.
This is RIU...once land of LED GROWING(long gone now)...then land of DIY(talk, talk, talk), and now land of COB shills jumping in on every opportunity to post a link or talk about their lights...just cause you post other links with it doesn't make it non shill-ish. If you just let it go for a second...someone else(nonassociated) would have probably done it for you. Guess you gotta do what you gotta do to get noticed when no one has ever seen them actually being used anywhere. But it is getting old very quick...can only imagine how the other regulars feel. But you guys probably don't care about the community that brought you to the surface.
People don't like china lights for many reasons...false chip claims, small designs, smaller than advertised coverage, sketchy warranties, many other companies selling the same thing with a different sticker...the list goes on. All perfectly valid and warranted.
And if anyone thinks this is the pot calling the kettle black...go ahead and search all my post.
@Stephenj37826 So do you have a GARDEN with $50K of cobs. Just because you have a company invested 50K in inventory of COBS doesn't make you an experienced COB grower that can speak at a level like that. You can not make such claims without actually showing them...while actually being truthful at least. You can say cobs are great and they do "X"...and hps does "Y"...but you can not make the comparison directly in results cause you, or anyone else here, has not done it. So don't say it..stay truthful and don't fuck up what progress LEDs have made.
You can get average DE setups for ~300$ just buying one single light. Warehouses setups are practically free theses days. And moguls are stupid cheap...125$ full setups. Any hps can be cooled for a few 100$ and 200w for a 4K setup.
This is RIU...once land of LED GROWING(long gone now)...then land of DIY(talk, talk, talk), and now land of COB shills jumping in on every opportunity to post a link or talk about their lights...just cause you post other links with it doesn't make it non shill-ish. If you just let it go for a second...someone else(nonassociated) would have probably done it for you. Guess you gotta do what you gotta do to get noticed when no one has ever seen them actually being used anywhere. But it is getting old very quick...can only imagine how the other regulars feel. But you guys probably don't care about the community that brought you to the surface.
People don't like china lights for many reasons...false chip claims, small designs, smaller than advertised coverage, sketchy warranties, many other companies selling the same thing with a different sticker...the list goes on. All perfectly valid and warranted.
And if anyone thinks this is the pot calling the kettle black...go ahead and search all my post.
Stephenj37826
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It's cool bud. If you search mine check who I recommend first. I've recommended your company more than my own 5 to 1. Mongo was rude to littlejacob who is only trying to help others. So I stood up for him and the storm insued. I've never resorted to calling anyone anything search my posts as you usually don't either. Just saying I won't sit by and let people talk shit to other contributing or honestly learning members. The only reason I have these built and get that I have them built I source the parts and send them to the factory myself is to offer people an entry level cob led at a good price. I will gladly not visit this forum again if that's what people feel is best. No problem.
Greengenes707
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I don't care what else you recommend like I said...adding more links doesn't make it "better". If I search your post I will find a bunch of recommendations(with your light once site went up) and links...in many threads...I already did it.
Mongo was not rude...he was real. You were rude and false...how's the $50K of cobs garden doing?
MONGO IS A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER...one much longer than the french dude who just popped up all sprung on COBS. One who does help sick patients...not just says I'm a rebel, grow weed illegally, and don't pay taxes/tariffs...do I personally care, no, but the mentality is not that of a helping member of the community. And I know for a fact that france has google.
As well as mongo helping out members of the REAL CANNABIS COMMUNITY...PATIENTS, FRIENDS, and STRANGERS!!!! In life, not hiding behind a keyboard. Mongo is stand up and then some...and has done more for this community than you or jacob. What have you done...make a light for sale?
Stephenj37826
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Also by the way the links aren't mine I just quoted someone else.
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Stephenj37826
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Also you sure don't talk about my air cooled light. Go ahead bash it some. You also talk about warrenty. I handle that. So you dont know how good or bad it is now do you. Sure are making lots of assumption's.
KarmaPaymentPlan
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very appropriate
KarmaPaymentPlan
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you've been pretty crappy and I'm gonna have to agree with him I'm sick of seeing people just mouthing off.rather then reinforce his ideas of you how about you slow down and carry yourself like a company owner
Stephenj37826
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Ok cool. I would've kept this all in pm personally but it seemed like everyone needed to bring it out in the open. I am not and will not retract the statement that mono was rude to little jacob. Maybe it's my southern hospitality. We don't talk to each other like that unless we mean business. Different worlds maybe. Check all the rest of my posts. See if I come off any way except respectful. If I get disrespect I give it.
KarmaPaymentPlan
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cmon dude
it was rude and all they said is here try and save some money and you took offence.... calm down
OneHitDone
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Everybody calm down now.
Every one of you has made contributions to this forum and we need you all to stay and keep contributing.
Take a night off come at it again in the morning
Every one of you has made contributions to this forum and we need you all to stay and keep contributing.
Take a night off come at it again in the morning