Lighter "super soil" recipe?

shagratt

Active Member
I want to grow 2 large plants each under a 600w light. I know super soil is used in 7 gallon pots but I want to try using it in a much larger pot, probably about 40-45 gallons each.

Ive never built my own soil, but I was gonna try to go off the super soil recipe as close as possible but make it less concentrated and use more of it. What should I modify to make it less strong?


I can only get Fox Farms FFoF at the hydro store.I cant get light warrior or the biobiz soil. Fox farms is kinda dense soil and I want to loosen it up quite a bit. Could I just add perlite? I can get most of the other ingredients.

Basically, I want to grow larger plants and use larger pots. How would yall go about doing so?
Sorry if this thread is in the wrong spot
 

tibberous

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A plant will never fill up 45 gallons of soil with just a 600W light.
It will. You'll have to veg it for a long time, but it will.

If I was filling 45 gallon pots (do they make pots that big? You might want to get 30 gallon grow bags) I'd be doing 75/25 or 50/50 mix of brick peat moss and perlite (throw in vermiculite too if you want, they sell 4cu/ft bags at agway). It's messy, but it's cheaper. Whatever you do, find a place that sells 4 cubic foot bags of perlite (like Agway), buying tons of little bags is expensive as fuck ($4.24 for .31 cu/ft @ home depot = $54 for 4cu/ft, as opposed to ~$13 for 4 cu/ft at agway)
 

Cann

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Here are a few simple recipes for crafting your own potting soil. These will be less hot than supersoil, you should be able to plant straight into them. Personally, i would NEVER use FFOF as the base soil - you're just asking for trouble with bugs, etc. Anyway, onto the recipes, these are courtesy of LumperDawgz from grasscity.com

Here is his most simple version:

50% Organic Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss (Alaska Peat brand specifically)
25% Organic Parboiled Rice Hulls
25% Homegrown EWC

To each 1 c.f. of potting soil I add the following:

4 - 5 cups of Canadian Glacial Rock Dust
1.5 cups of a mix I make up that consists of equal parts of kelp, neem and crab meals



Here is his more complicated mix:

So I'm new here and perhaps this isn't the correct sub-forum to post this but I would like to share the organic soil mix that I use for my MMJ garden. It's based on the 'LC Mix' that appears all over the web.

I start of with Sunshine Organic Growers Mix which consists of 40% organic peat moss, 30% organic coir (washed and inoculated with trichoderma spores), 10% perlite, 10% vermiculite and 10% pumice (medium size). The reasons that all 3 are added by the manufacturer has to do with the CEC (cation exchange capacity) of these 3 aeration amendments. The soil is ph adjusted with dolomite lime and is treated with organic yucca extract as a wetting agent.

This is a professional 'soilless mix' for the nursery plant industry. All of the products used are the best available.

BTW - Sunshine Mix is manufactured by Sun Gro Horticulture which also manufactures Black Gold products (their consumer line) and some other products that appear at Home Depot and Loews, etc. Sunshine Mixes are generally available in the Western US and ProMix is manufactured and distributed in the Eastern US. There is no difference between the 2 products if you're comparing apples to apples.

To the soil I add 25% organic compost, 1 cf. of pumice or rice hulls and that's the basic soil

To that I add 1 cup (per 1 cf.) seed meal (equal parts of canola, cottonseed, flaxseed and alfalfa) to replace the bloodmeal ('N') and organic fish bone meal (4-20-0) to replace the bonemeal in the original LC Mix.

About 1/4 cup of kelp meal and 1 tablespoon of mycorrhizal fungus to each 5 gallon pot and I sprinkle about 1/4 cup of neem seed meal as a top dressing.

I also forgot to include one of the most important ingredient - glacial rock dust. I add about 1/5 cf. of this to the soil mix.

That's it other than applying aerated compost teas at the beginning of the veg cycle and then again at the beginning of the flower cycle (a high-fungai tea facilitates the take-up of phosphorous). Just water and I hit them with a foiliar spray of fish enzyme and seaweed extract 1x a week and neem seed oil 2x times a week through veg and the first couple of weeks in the flower cycle to prevent mites and powdery mildew.

It works without any burning, stunted growth, whatever. Just add water.

HTH

This soil costs me less than $6.00 per cf. to put together.


Shoutout to Lumper for inspiring us all to be better and more knowledgeable organic gardeners! Hope he doesnt mind me reposting :)

If you're looking for more mixes besides Subs super soil I'd go for a stroll through the grasscity organic forums - you will find a plethora of homemade soil mixes that are much cheaper and much better IMO than anything you are going to make starting out with FFOF. Lumpers soil mix thread for example is around 150 pages long - plenty of recipes in there to get you inspired.

Also, just gotta ask - why are you so keen on bigger pots and bigger plants? It's rare to see anyone on here running a 30 gal or more pot inside, just wondering where the inspiration is coming from. Also, if you havent looked into Air-pots yet I would, the company definitely makes HUGE ones for nurseries and such, and with a root mass your size you could definitely benefit from their design (similar to smartpots, IMO better for a multitude of reasons).

Good luck!
 

MrGreenTooth

Active Member
the way I understand Super Soil , it's not the size of the pot that is at issue, it's the percentage of SS that you use in the pot .Don't change the mans work .
 

SpicySativa

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My thoughts... You should consider the ratio of root zone space to (planned) foliage mass. With my 600 watt setup, I use four 7-gal smart pots, or 28 gallons of soil to support a thick 4'x4' canopy. You're talking about using three times as much soil to support the same amount of foliage. That just seems wasteful to me. I also predict that soil will stay too wet for too long. Especially right at transplant.

Maybe try two plants in 15-20 gallon smart pots and see how that works for you?
 

Endur0xX

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A plant will never fill up 45 gallons of soil with just a 600W light.
If you can grow 7 plants in 7 gallons under 600watts, I cant see why you couldnt do 1 plant and 45 gallons. To the OP, I believe you are on the right track, even 12/12 fs I get much better results in 10 gallons vs 7 gallons.

My supersoil recipe is not as hot as subs, it's about post #40 in my journal in my signature.
 

whitey78

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A 15-20 gallon pot is enough to scrog a plant into well over a pound of med using and completely covering a 4x4 space... As spicey said... I think its being kinda wasteful and counter-productive, it would probably take double the veg time just to fill out the pot and still not use all of it unless your going to do some absurdly big scrog like 10x10 or something rediculas (which has been done somewhere around here or another site, dude used a bathtub sized pot and a insanely huge screen that took up half his basement... it worked but it takes a lot of time). As mentioned, 4 plants is taking up 28 gallons of soil...1 plant can be rounded down to 20 easily with supplementation...
 

shagratt

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I personally think the larger the pot the better. If you have a plant that has more soil than it needs its gonna be constantly growing exponentially. I have grown with a 40 gallon pot of fox farm/black gold and the plants had thumb size stocks in 3 weeks from seed. I basically didnt feed them anything and the buds came out pretty good. They could be alot better though, if the soil had everything it needed. Im sure I could grow a 30 oz or more plant under a 600w with a good soil mix. Just want to find the right one.
Maybe I should just fallow the super soil recipe and just use bigger pots?
 

Cann

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Soil is still cookin unfortunately - not gonna be ready for another few weeks but when it is check my journal and you'll see how it goes. If you want to dig for pics just go over to grasscity and find LumperDawgz thread "An organic soil mix of mine" is I believe the name. Great read, and there are pics in there at some point I believe (although the thread is soo damn long). Good luck! Anything by Lumper is a gem - he's a great mind in organic gardening
 
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