Light Quantity vs Light Quality Evidence ... Just for 4 u gg lol!

Do you think quantity is more important than quality


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Stephenj37826

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silvania claims 3.21 watts per 1000 lumens for their 6500k and 3.69 watts per 1000 lumens for their 5000k bulbs. at 5000 lumens for a 54 watt bulbs this equals 16.05 and18.45 watts of radiant power for a 54 watt bulb or 29.72 and 34.17 percent respectably. G.E publishes similar numbers. either these large companies are lying or the LED makers are making false claims about T5s to make their lights look better.using a commercial grade ballast with a ballast factor of 1.0 a 6 tube lamp draws 324 watts from the wall and produces 30000 lumens.do the math
Yeah that's a bare T5 tube. Now take into account the reflector loss and the fact that the size of the bulb blocks a lot of the reflected light. 70% of the light is reflected by the way in most T5 fixtures.

Phillips also claims 2100 umol from there DE bulb yet most only put out 1700 from the luminare. Reflector loss is real and a 360° light source will suffer when trying to redirect 70% of its output.
 

mauricem00

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Yeah that's a bare T5 tube. Now take into account the reflector loss and the fact that the size of the bulb blocks a lot of the reflected light. 70% of the light is reflected by the way in most T5 fixtures.

Phillips also claims 2100 umol from there DE bulb yet most only put out 1700 from the luminare. Reflector loss is real and a 360° light source will suffer when trying to redirect 70% of its output.
try again. reflectors in a good fixture reflect over 95% of the light that hits them. re strike loss is also a myth.perhaps you should study wave mechanics, antenna theory and the effect of standing waves on a generator.LEDs to experience loss from secondary lenses of 5 to 10%
 

Stephenj37826

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try again. reflectors in a good fixture reflect over 95% of the light that hits them. re strike loss is also a myth.perhaps you should study wave mechanics, antenna theory and the effect of standing waves on a generator.LEDs to experience loss from secondary lenses of 5 to 10%
No reflectors aren't 95% efficient. I take the word of a university with actual 6 figure equipment. So every Goniophotometer and sphere on earth are junk huh.

Oh wait how do these bulb manufactures get the numbers? Oh yeah a sphere.....

Did you look at the Utah University study I posted? This isn't conjecture..... It's facts.


95% efficient luminare...... Not quite.


95% reflective material doesn't equal 95% efficient....
 

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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No reflectors aren't 95% efficient. I take the word of a university with actual 6 figure equipment. So every Goniophotometer and sphere on earth are junk huh.

Oh wait how do these bulb manufactures get the numbers? Oh yeah a sphere.....

Did you look at the Utah University study I posted? This isn't conjecture..... It's facts.


95% efficient luminare...... Not quite.


95% reflective material doesn't equal 95% efficient....
Exactly, The material is what the percentage is based on not the efficiency of the reflector pushing light to the plant, which is the point being made.

Anyways I think that all companies try to get an edge based on semantics and quoting facts in a misleading way thats why DIY is bliss, none of that plus its the cutting edge of lighting tech.
 

frica

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funny but for a dead light they are the best selling grow lights on the market. and T5 efficiency is around 30% not the 15-20% the LED crowd claims but false claims are common with LED sellers
Any decent T8 LED tubes (like the Philips tubes are clearly significantly more efficient than even the most efficient T5 fluorescents from Osram.
Osram's T8 led tubes are also more efficient than their most efficient T5 fluo.

These aren't the claims of some growlight seller, these are the claims of companies that have and are producing both types of light.
 

mauricem00

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Any decent T8 LED tubes (like the Philips tubes are clearly significantly more efficient than even the most efficient T5 fluorescents from Osram.
Osram's T8 led tubes are also more efficient than their most efficient T5 fluo.

These aren't the claims of some growlight seller, these are the claims of companies that have and are producing both types of light.
T8 leds do produce about 110 lumens per watt which is slightly more effiecient than T5s but the same limited LED spectrum.
 

Yodaweed

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Blurple spectrum sucks, following the McCree curve with 80-90CRI LEDs does not suck
LED's lack spectrum compared to T5's , most good LED growers use T5's to help their spectrum, i do agree high CRI and a full spectrum is best though. But if you are growing for ultimate quality you can definitely do a whole hell of a lot better than the spectrum LEDs produce, even CMH lights produce a more desirable spectrum. And yes blurple is TERRIBLE, i have several blurple lights and they suck bad. Main issue with T5's is their lack of intensity , they work well but need to be pretty close to the plants to work effectively , especially for flowering. LED's also have this problem.
 

tstick

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Apples and oranges, in my opinion. LED guys seem to fixate on graphs and efficiency numbers to "prove" everything. Some people like me aren't as concerned about all that. I just want a bright light that grows my marijuana. If you grow during the hot time of the year, then LEDs can be your friend by not adding a lot of extra heat to the grow space. If you grow during the cold time of the year, then an HID system might be your friend because of the heat they add. T5s are great, too, but you'd probably need to be a good scrogger to get the most out of them for flower -because you need to keep the tubes very close to the top of the canopy...but Hell yeah, they are user-friendly/spectrum-customizable and they can grow cannabis!
 

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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Apples and oranges, in my opinion. LED guys seem to fixate on graphs and efficiency numbers to "prove" everything. Some people like me aren't as concerned about all that. I just want a bright light that grows my marijuana. If you grow during the hot time of the year, then LEDs can be your friend by not adding a lot of extra heat to the grow space. If you grow during the cold time of the year, then an HID system might be your friend because of the heat they add. T5s are great, too, but you'd probably need to be a good scrogger to get the most out of them for flower -because you need to keep the tubes very close to the top of the canopy...but Hell yeah, they are user-friendly/spectrum-customizable and they can grow cannabis!
Because facts are proof.. Plus people getting 1.2-1.6g/w on average is also proof. Not sure why people think its all about number when they actually translate into better yields for less power.
 

Yodaweed

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Because facts are proof.. Plus people getting 1.2-1.6g/w on average is also proof. Not sure why people think its all about number when they actually translate into better yields for less power.
Which lights are we talking about now? Those sound about CMH/good HPS grower numbers, if those are LED numbers ,what's the point in switching? I think the point he was making was a good one, LED growers live in a hypothetical world , but we live in the real world, not all this shit translates directly.
 

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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Which lights are we talking about now? Those sound about CMH/good HPS grower numbers, if those are LED numbers ,what's the point in switching? I think the point he was making was a good one, LED growers live in a hypothetical world , but we live in the real world, not all this shit translates directly.
Please point me to a grow that was HPS and got 1.6g/w
 

TogiX

Active Member
Which lights are we talking about now? Those sound about CMH/good HPS grower numbers.
He was conservative in his estimates. Take a HPS grower that averages 1 GPW and he will average 1.8 GPW with a 60% efficient COB setup which happens to be affordable at this point in time.

if those are LED numbers ,what's the point in switching.
Lifespan? More uniform spread? Better spectrum? Spectrum that doesn't dip hard into one area? Interchangeable spectrum?
 
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