Libertarian Heros

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ilkhan

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*To everyone of you who have grown, sold, purchased or smoked Pot.
*To everyone who has ever fished without a licence.
*To everyone who drives on a suspended licence.
*To the Millions who don't pay their income taxes.
*To every Federal, State and Local employee who has ever taken a sick day when he/she wasn't sick.
*To everyone who lies to get SSI.
*To everyone who works/pays under the table.
*For all the Hookers who drain the vice squads everywhere.
*To everyone who breaks the law without harming anyone, who cause the cops to chase after you in vain.

I salute you.
You are the unsung heros.
Libertarians without even knowing it.
Without the actions of people like you, real human beings, totalitarian systems would never fall.

You are true Libertarian Heros.
 
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max420thc

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thank you ikhan.its not easy being heros..some times we go to jail for our beliefs..oh well..jesus went to jail..peter went to jail..john the baptists went to jail. seems we are in good company..LIVE FREE OR DIE...!!!!
the plan is to drain the system untill if fails..and it is comming soon..in spades brother.
 
weedguru

weedguru

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I dont think the System is near to running dry...though i do feel that the Slaves are growing increasingly aggravated, being pushed too hard face first into the ground, and that rebellion is on the horizon, even if it means smashing the world to pieces then returning to tribes...I would feel less guilty were I paying taxes to a local tribe, who protected MY territory, against others, than to a government which kills, seemingly, often just for the sheer hell of it, or better still, to line the pockets of a few greedy pigfuckers who use the world as their own personal playground...
 
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ilkhan

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The unions in California a huge help to the cause.
California is broke, they may be the new
libertarian state of choice soon :)
Break them down and rebuild them Libertarian!
 
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max420thc

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sun tzu states to fight and win the war with as little effort as possible .war is not normally armys shooting at one another..war can be passive. such as draining a countrys economy dry. the chinese understood this centurys before christs birth.
every chance you get to bleed this government untill its well runs completely dry ..do it. eventual failure of the government is going to happen.it will envolve large amounts of suffering by the people.
let this government die a death of a thousand little cuts .let it print more and more money to over come it...the faster and faster they print money the sooner it will be junked.millionaires lifes savings will be wiped out in inflation..food will be so expensive the poors welfare check will be worthless to buy food with. even the slaves the were paying with our money will turn against them in anger..such as the bear in yellowstone often will attack and eat a tourists who has been feeding them..and then stops feeding them. it pisses the bear off.the inner citys will turn into complete war zones simular to brazils inner city ghettos. this last months actual unemployment figures were another 5320K jobs lost. the ones the government printed were 330K jobs lost..and the media prints it as good news..good news they changed..(YET AGAIN) how they count job loss's and unemployment numbers.they are losing..and they know it.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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max420thc said:
sun tzu states to fight and win the war with as little effort as possible .war is not normally armys shooting at one another..war can be passive. such as draining a countrys economy dry. the chinese understood this centurys before christs birth.
every chance you get to bleed this government untill its well runs completely dry ..do it. eventual failure of the government is going to happen.it will envolve large amounts of suffering by the people.
let this government die a death of a thousand little cuts .let it print more and more money to over come it...the faster and faster they print money the sooner it will be junked.millionaires lifes savings will be wiped out in inflation..food will be so expensive the poors welfare check will be worthless to buy food with. even the slaves the were paying with our money will turn against them in anger..such as the bear in yellowstone often will attack and eat a tourists who has been feeding them..and then stops feeding them. it pisses the bear off.the inner citys will turn into complete war zones simular to brazils inner city ghettos. this last months actual unemployment figures were another 5320K jobs lost. the ones the government printed were 330K jobs lost..and the media prints it as good news..good news they changed..(YET AGAIN) how they count job loss's and unemployment numbers.they are losing..and they know it.
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So how is it you know the real unemployment figures and the press doesn't, or they try and hide them. Me thinks you are way past paranoid, now you are delusional. I see libertarianism as the rich mans party, as in let me keep mine and fuck everyone else, I am a selfish non-caring individual and need all my money for me. The fact that I live in a country that allows me to create wealth, protects me from foriegn invaders, has a large portion of the country devoted to national parks for my enjoyment, roads for me to travel on, and many other beneficial things paid for by taxation, should not require me to contribute. I, as a libertarian, should at least be allowed (Over everyone else) the opportunity to say where any money taken from me is spent, and if I so desire, should be allowed to not participate in this crazy taxation sceme. Afterall, I am so much better than everyone else and deserve more. The poor are just scumbags that don't have any drive and after having equal opportunities, are just lazy scumsucking swine that deserve to be euthanized. Geeze, I am so great, they ought to erect a statue in my image. Yeah, all you libtards are just so much better than all the rest of us. I can't understand why you all come here to waste your time patting each other on the back.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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ilkhan said:
The unions in California a huge help to the cause.
California is broke, they may be the new
libertarian state of choice soon :)
Break them down and rebuild them Libertarian!
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The recent tax and spending increase proposals were defeated at the polls by over 65% of the people. They lost in 100% of the counties ... and that includes all of San Francisco and Berkeley. Who would have believed that anyone in SF or Berkeley would vote for smaller government?

I believe the State Legislature is about to be run out of town on rails. :lol:

Oh yeah ... and now The Governator has proposed a state flat tax. That should keep businesses from fleeing the state and help the economy recover? Not!

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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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medicineman said:
So how is it you know the real unemployment figures and the press doesn't, or they try and hide them. Me thinks you are way past paranoid, now you are delusional. I see libertarianism as the rich mans party, as in let me keep mine and fuck everyone else, I am a selfish non-caring individual and need all my money for me. The fact that I live in a country that allows me to create wealth, protects me from foriegn invaders, has a large portion of the country devoted to national parks for my enjoyment, roads for me to travel on, and many other beneficial things paid for by taxation, should not require me to contribute. I, as a libertarian, should at least be allowed (Over everyone else) the opportunity to say where any money taken from me is spent, and if I so desire, should be allowed to not participate in this crazy taxation sceme. Afterall, I am so much better than everyone else and deserve more. The poor are just scumbags that don't have any drive and after having equal opportunities, are just lazy scumsucking swine that deserve to be euthanized. Geeze, I am so great, they ought to erect a statue in my image. Yeah, all you libtards are just so much better than all the rest of us. I can't understand why you all come here to waste your time patting each other on the back.
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Rich mans party?
You seem angry and somewhat misinformed. Libertarians do not believe in the initiation of force. That seems to be the province of government.
Liberarianism embraces free will as long as you are not harming another...what do you find wrong with that? Do you think another person should make your decisions for you?

Fuck everyone else ? Resenting somebody forcing you to contribute to their "good idea" is hardly fuck everyone else. It's a natural feeling. Helping people is good, making people participate in something under the threat of force is extortion.

Creating wealth? Government / regulation / fiat money is the biggest obstacle to creating wealth. They don't "allow you to create wealth",
they take it from you forcefully.

Protects from foreign invaders ? Um we haven't been invaded since what 1812?...WE do the invading and policing of the world remember?

Required to contribute? If somebody uses something they ought to be willing to pay for it, if they don't use it they shouldn't be made to at the point of a gun or do you advocate violence?

"Libtards" - Name calling takes an otherwise reasonable discussion and turns it emotional.

Thinking you're better than somebody is often demonstrated by non libertarians that insist they know what is best for other individuals and use the force of government to make people that harm nobody, comply with their vision of how you must live your life. Selfishness is not unique to Libertarians or one political party or persuasion, some people are, some aren't.

My not wanting you to decide how I will live my life is not depriving you of anything. I think a philosphy that embraces "live and let live" could hardly be termed selfish.
 
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ilkhan

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Paying taxes is not giving to support the poor or any of that nonsense medman.
Giving $200 to your church for a canned food pantry is giving.
Having money taken to pay for Iraq, thats not giving thats taking by force.
Why would I be happy about littering a nation with depleted uranium?
Why would I want to pay for that?
Money for social security and medicare is almost* OK in my book. (*it would be legit IMO if it was volutary)
It is earmarked (theoreticaly) to help the poor.
Income taxes on the other hand pay for all the BS wars and proping up dictatorships.
Or paying interest on the debt* we accumulated for wars and proping up dictators. (to international bankers)

So all you government employees at this websight:
I thank you for your invaluable service your paycheck, benifits and retirement.
All of it helps break the system down, I congradulate you on your fine service.
And I hearby invite you to take a sick day in celabration of your greatness!
Spend it here with all your brothers and sisters. :)

To all the liberal organizations that milk
the government for millions, Keep it up! (Acorn, I'm talkin to you!)
I want us 20 trillion in debt before Obama leaves office!
I want China to have so much of our debt
they can just live off the interest on their money!
 
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ilkhan

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You want to know why libertarians pat themselves on the back Medman?
Because we have broken through a mental barrier you haven't yet.
We don't believe we need a State.
We don't need a state to look after us.
We don't need a state to censure us.
We don't need a state to point guns at us.
You do.

You look through history and see the greatness of the state.
We look through history and see unimaginable suffering at the hands of the state.

You look at government to care for the poor.
We see government extortion, while paying lip service to the poor.

We don't need an all powerful state to pray to,
You do.
That is why we pat ourselves on the back, IMO.
 
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PadawanBater

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Rob Roy said:
Rich mans party?
You seem angry and somewhat misinformed. Libertarians do not believe in the initiation of force. That seems to be the province of government.
Liberarianism embraces free will as long as you are not harming another...what do you find wrong with that? Do you think another person should make your decisions for you?

Fuck everyone else ? Resenting somebody forcing you to contribute to their "good idea" is hardly fuck everyone else. It's a natural feeling. Helping people is good, making people participate in something under the threat of force is extortion.

Creating wealth? Government / regulation / fiat money is the biggest obstacle to creating wealth. They don't "allow you to create wealth",
they take it from you forcefully.

Protects from foreign invaders ? Um we haven't been invaded since what 1812?...WE do the invading and policing of the world remember?

Required to contribute? If somebody uses something they ought to be willing to pay for it, if they don't use it they shouldn't be made to at the point of a gun or do you advocate violence?

"Libtards" - Name calling takes an otherwise reasonable discussion and turns it emotional.

Thinking you're better than somebody is often demonstrated by non libertarians that insist they know what is best for other individuals and use the force of government to make people that harm nobody, comply with their vision of how you must live your life. Selfishness is not unique to Libertarians or one political party or persuasion, some people are, some aren't.

My not wanting you to decide how I will live my life is not depriving you of anything. I think a philosphy that embraces "live and let live" could hardly be termed selfish.
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Goddamnit dude, I can't rep you for some reason, but son of a bitch this is great.

I couldn't agree more, that's the way I live my life right there.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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It seems this has turned into a libertarian website. I find myself swimming against the tide. My only hope is that libertarians must be pot smokers or pot smokers must be libtards, either way, I'll not be changing my mind. I see some of the libertarian agenda as being OK, But the overall policy of letting charity take care of the underclass, is totally stupid, ignorant and in no way feasible.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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natrone23 said:
Libertarian are conservatives who smoke pot:leaf:
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I've heard that quote before. It's catchy but inaccurate.

Many Libertarians I know do not smoke pot at all, some regularly. They simply see that it is not their place to insist that others do or do not smoke pot.

Consider checking out libertarianism.com you may find that you agree with some of the information.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Sorry about the bad link natrone23, I tried it, it doesn't go there from here...I'm a computer klutz....but google libertarianism.com you might like the reading and have a better understanding of what libertarians are and aren't. Peace.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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medicineman said:
It seems this has turned into a libertarian website. I find myself swimming against the tide. My only hope is that libertarians must be pot smokers or pot smokers must be libtards, either way, I'll not be changing my mind. I see some of the libertarian agenda as being OK, But the overall policy of letting charity take care of the underclass, is totally stupid, ignorant and in no way feasible.
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We agree charity is a good thing. However, what the government performs is not charity, any time a person is FORCED to do something the result can never be called charity, it's inconsistent with the meaning of the word. From a logistical stand point private charity is much more efficient at helping people than "government charity". Remember this is the same government that pays "farmers" subsidies not to grow certain things and has managed to fuck this country in every way imaginable.

Taking care of the underclass? That sounds a little bit condescending almost elitist.

I've been underclass, grew up poor, left home at 17 rented a room and mopped floors nights, finished high school while alot of my buddies were out drinking and partying. Making it out of low income was a conscious choice on my part and it wasn't easy. Later, I lived on 5 for a buck mac n cheese and peanut butter crackers, worked 2 shitty jobs and weekends while finishing college 2 nights a week. I know very well what work is, some people will stay "underclass" for generations and work the system, some will not. I am always willing to help those who can't help themselves, but not those who WON'T help themselves.

If somebody is passionate about helping others I commend them. If somebody feels that they are entitled to a handout, I condemn them. The only thing different today than 30 odd years ago is now it's 2 for a buck mac n cheese instead of 5 for a buck...inflation, caused by, yup, Government.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Libertarians blame governmaet for all the ills of society. The truth being, that it is really just the assholes that inhabit government and corporate America that work in concert to fuck over the working people. Government, per se, is not an evil entity. It is the evil greedy motherfuckers that have conspired to make a ruling class, using government as their tool to control the masses. This concept was built into the constitution by the founding fathers, themselves greedy white slaveowners for the most part. They did not form the government to be a beneficial entity for all the citizens of the colonies, but to fill the gap left after ousting the British, and to have a legal way of implementing forms of taxation. The Ideals set down in the constitution and Bill of rights are great reading, but quickly evolved into the partnership of the wealthy and the leaders of government, something that still stands today. You libertarians should be the first to know that without government, the masses would come for your riches pretty soon. Government if run right, would benefit all the people, not just the rich, sort of like how it was envisioned in the constitution, in words only.
 
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