letter from the white house i received today
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Jack Harer
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Ditto!! Amen!! They don't care about me, fuck them!
ohmy
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someone please write them back and ask why is it easier for kids to drink and smoke. all most every kid drinks and take it from there parents house. how many will or have died from drinkin along with all the health problems from drinking. along with what cigs have done to people that is more addictive then crack because of all the chemicals they use in it
Jack Harer
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The only reason alcohol and tobacco are still legal is PAC money. Same with the highly addictive drugs that get past the FDA everyday. Do you REALLY think we need new and improved (and more addictive) pain killers? Nothing is more effective than morphine or fentanyl, yet they keep coming out with new and improved versions of highly addictive and more dangerous drugs that get prescribed by physicians daily. Kids then raid mom and dads medicine chest and guess what?
Big Parm is the most dangerous entity we have in our midst, yet the PAC money they pay out is keeping them legal. If the MJ community could match the PAC money, we'd see a chance of legalizing it, but not until we can match the PAC money being spent to prevent that.
Big Parm is the most dangerous entity we have in our midst, yet the PAC money they pay out is keeping them legal. If the MJ community could match the PAC money, we'd see a chance of legalizing it, but not until we can match the PAC money being spent to prevent that.
canndo
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These are the very same talking points that the DEA uses and they are indeed ideologicaly based and not based in science. "we don't smoke our medicine in this country" - is idological and not scientific.
Pot is 3 times stronger - fear based and stupid argument as smoked marijuana is titrated. It is like saying that we can't drink alcohol because gin is many times stronger than beer.
Gate Way drug - this has been disproven scientificly over and over again - still it is used by a supposedly enlightened administration. Then again, it is possible that marijuana is a gateway to.... the presidency of the United States.
Voluntary admission to treatment facilities - as was mentioned, when you are given a choice of treatment or jail, you take treatment. Beyond that, if indeed we have that rate of voluntary admissions then it can't be all that bad a drug now can it, as people are freely deciding that they need help and going to get it.
As I said, this is all in the DEA talking points used to argue against legalization. In fact the DEA applies political influence (hardly ethical and of questionable constitutionality) to keep marijuana illegal. It is their place to enforce the law, not influence it. They know full well that without mariujuana they woulnd't have much of a place in the world, with marijuana users comprising many times more of the drug using population than all other illegal drugs combined. Busting marijuana is easy, far less dangerous, more media splashy and far far more lucrative than cocaine and heroin busts. Without marijuana, the DEA would have to let huge numbers of their department go and they would forfeit billions in tax dollars and billions more in civil forfeiture.
To those who actually believe that big pharma has a major part to play in the continued illegalization of pot - think again, they can easily get patents and exclusives on one or more components of marijuana, devise some quick and dirty delivery system that jacks up the price and charge top dollar for that "new" medicine. No, pharma is not in fear of pot, they will fall into line within months. Tobacco? I assure you, big nicotine is not in fear of pot either. The two drugs are not interchangeable and their particular "product" is conveniently more addictive than anything but heroin.
Pot is 3 times stronger - fear based and stupid argument as smoked marijuana is titrated. It is like saying that we can't drink alcohol because gin is many times stronger than beer.
Gate Way drug - this has been disproven scientificly over and over again - still it is used by a supposedly enlightened administration. Then again, it is possible that marijuana is a gateway to.... the presidency of the United States.
Voluntary admission to treatment facilities - as was mentioned, when you are given a choice of treatment or jail, you take treatment. Beyond that, if indeed we have that rate of voluntary admissions then it can't be all that bad a drug now can it, as people are freely deciding that they need help and going to get it.
As I said, this is all in the DEA talking points used to argue against legalization. In fact the DEA applies political influence (hardly ethical and of questionable constitutionality) to keep marijuana illegal. It is their place to enforce the law, not influence it. They know full well that without mariujuana they woulnd't have much of a place in the world, with marijuana users comprising many times more of the drug using population than all other illegal drugs combined. Busting marijuana is easy, far less dangerous, more media splashy and far far more lucrative than cocaine and heroin busts. Without marijuana, the DEA would have to let huge numbers of their department go and they would forfeit billions in tax dollars and billions more in civil forfeiture.
To those who actually believe that big pharma has a major part to play in the continued illegalization of pot - think again, they can easily get patents and exclusives on one or more components of marijuana, devise some quick and dirty delivery system that jacks up the price and charge top dollar for that "new" medicine. No, pharma is not in fear of pot, they will fall into line within months. Tobacco? I assure you, big nicotine is not in fear of pot either. The two drugs are not interchangeable and their particular "product" is conveniently more addictive than anything but heroin.
Jack Harer
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Canndo, very good, well thought out post!!! I agree with everything UP UNTIL the part about big Pharma. They may not FEAR it, but they would certainly wish to control every aspect of it before they would give their seal of approval. It's not just about them tho. Many other well established industries would be affected by it's legalization. The short term effects of legalization would be a sharp rise in unemployment alone. The whole criminal justice machine would suddenly be decimated. Sure, it would free up a lot of cops to chase down real criminals and hard drugs, but the funding for them would no longer be there from the existing coffers. It would require a massive redistribution of tax dollars, and programs.
canndo
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Jack, I am in preliminary negotiations with a portion of big pharma for a process involving pot - if you don't think they are gearing themselves for legitimacy you are wrong. They will of course attempt to wrest control of the substance and in large part - they will manage to do so. I think that leglaization, depending on its form will create as many jobs as it destroys. I am not sure the entire criminal justice system will be decimated, after all, there are plenty of other crimes out there. The question is, what do we want? do we want leglization or do we want legalization with control by the individual? If it is full legalization there is room for everyone from the back yard grower to the corporate mass producer.
Jack Harer
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I have been known to be wrong before (I know, I know, but it's true!!) I sincerely hope that you are right. I would favor legalization in any form that would allow for the individual to grow and maintain his/her own supply as they feel it needs to be, without limits set by the government. And that would include provisions for recreational use as well.
mysunnyboy
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uhhh could you say with whom you are speaking to, if you don't mind? i would think you would wanna advertise that all over
this just made me think and wonder what the NDA for marijuana would be like, would be massive for sure *shrugs* but then again i am stoned
canndo
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That would be unwise of me and advertising it would be absolutely stupid. Frankly though, I doubt, given the current Federal situation, that anything will come of it for a while yet.uhhh could you say with whom you are speaking to, if you don't mind? i would think you would wanna advertise that all over
dukeanthony
New Member
"Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice." Hearst newspapers nationwide, 1935
Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.
By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: “Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.” Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.
Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.
By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: “Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.” Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.
mysunnyboy
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just asking because that's what i do, i've been in "big pharma" for 20 years. i don't see why it would be stupid or unwise.
mysunnyboy
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uhhhh not really but i will leave it at that, i hope you have your patent in place if you think some one is gonna steal your secret
good luck with that
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Yep i agree thats why i didnt fall victim like most to his lies to try to get votes lol what a bunch of suckers!
dukeanthony
New Member
And yet they track his promises and he is doing really well
try googling obama promises kept
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I wouldnt waist my time lol its all a lie
Airwave
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Basically this is a response to https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/legalize-and-regulate-marijuana-manner-similar-alcohol/y8l45gb1
this the same old bullshit and lies obama is not the hope and change i voted for that's for sure.
any comments are welcome.
Legalize it
sucker!
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0calli
Well-Known Member
Don't forget "YES WE CAN" Bahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahhah
Basically this is a response to https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/legalize-and-regulate-marijuana-manner-similar-alcohol/y8l45gb1
This the same old bullshit and lies obama is not the hope and change I voted for that's for sure.
Any comments are welcome.
Legalize It