Fake Plastic Trees
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Look like great plants to me Cabron, welcome to the site.
All the best
All the best
Let's make some top notch seeds!
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cabron
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Well we weathered the first shit storm mates,now maybe we can move ahead as planned.
First a Big shout out to our brother in arms FadetoBlack,for breaking
out the virtual eraser.
I'm going to dispell the myth that Hermaphroditic traits in males
equate to hermies in the offspring even if they come from a stable line
that doesn't have hermies in the gals..
This trait I'm showing you ,is present in one of my favorite boys and is
a C99 pheno, I've seen this plenty of times in Bros Grimm A11 and C99
boys before,the offspring gave high female ratios and the gals were all
sound specimens with no hermies.
We'll refer to this particular pollen donor as Gnat as he's part bitch,so we can refer back to him in the future,and I have a rooted cut of him for future
use also.
Bigmike
TY
I'll grab a cold beer and take a look at your grow journal..
Fake plastic trees,,,,LOL great handle bro,reminds me of what the ex wife would drag outta the attic around december.
Thanks for the welcome,sorry you had to wade through that pile of manure to get to page 3.
First a Big shout out to our brother in arms FadetoBlack,for breaking
out the virtual eraser.
I'm going to dispell the myth that Hermaphroditic traits in males
equate to hermies in the offspring even if they come from a stable line
that doesn't have hermies in the gals..
This trait I'm showing you ,is present in one of my favorite boys and is
a C99 pheno, I've seen this plenty of times in Bros Grimm A11 and C99
boys before,the offspring gave high female ratios and the gals were all
sound specimens with no hermies.
We'll refer to this particular pollen donor as Gnat as he's part bitch,so we can refer back to him in the future,and I have a rooted cut of him for future
use also.
Bigmike
TY
I'll grab a cold beer and take a look at your grow journal..
Fake plastic trees,,,,LOL great handle bro,reminds me of what the ex wife would drag outta the attic around december.
Thanks for the welcome,sorry you had to wade through that pile of manure to get to page 3.
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cabron
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I have a member fire me this question in a pm so this is best suited in the public to give a strong wind and clear the smoke of confusion..
I always thought that F1's were the best because of its hybrid vigor. and F2 was worse, but after that F3 and F4 were better than the F2... but from what I'm reading it seems like the higher the number the worse it is... I'm all confused
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Ok First I feel that beginners and novice growers treat breeding like electricity,they're afraid to delve into it or touch it as they feel there's
alot more going on than there really is...But once you're educated on it,in it
and around it "It" really becomes second nature.
Of course electricity hurts a bit more than breeding when you error..
Are F1 seed's better than say F2's?
This is dependant on what the grower wants,usually we'll assume
the majority of seed purchasers buy seeds to get a strain that is
as close to what a breeder describes in the big colored fancy worded
ad, (which btw, is usually 3 layers of bullshit with a red ribbon on it).
These will be grown out once and some gals selected for cloning if that
grower is set up to sustain a crop beyond the life cycle,these people
are growing the herb for themsleves and friends or they are selling it
commercially which is a risky move in today's society of prohibition.
In both of these situations an F1 is best as it can offer the best blend
of two strains , this offers a stable body of phenos in this first cross
they (if done correctly) will have attributes from both P1 parents
expressed evenly,vigor and rapid growth are almost guaranteed.
An F1 really shines when you cross 2 stable strains that are on the opposite
ends of the spectrum,,example would be a Deep Chunk and a Thai .
But these specimens are usually sought after by the more advanced growers
as they are too extreme to be considered a reasonable for the average grower,,,,
,"what the hell are you tallking about?"
A true blooded Afghani like deep chunk is worthless imo for a straight grow,offering
nothing but leafs the size of an elephant's ear,low yield.
A thai is again too extreme needing up to 16 weeks in some cases,and 10'
of ceiling with low yields also.
Both would be lacking in any sort of vigor.
Every grower wants a strain that will yield massive colas,low stretch,low leaf to flower ratio,rapid maturation ,crazy potency,and flavor to top it off.
so when a breeder has finally selected the P1 parents of 2 lines the next thing to do is cross them,,,then test the offspring,if the cross is acceptable
to them and has all these qualities that have been documented over 3-7 generations to isolate them,then and only then should they offer that Cross with a description of what the consumer should expect.
It's at this point that the P1 parents will have been cloned, tagged and multiplied so they can keep recreating that same exact cross for an indefinite amount of time.
OK so what is this about an F2 gen being not so good?
This is where I love to start,an F2 is created from breeding siblings
from within the F1 gen,this is where the grower may be scratching their
heads going what the fug just happend? why doesn't the gals look anything
and taste anything like the momma I hand selected to pollenate?
This is because most strains (F1) are multi and poly hybrids and while the
original was all uniform the F2's have the phenos representing all of the prior
lineage come out in the wash..this is great if you want a variety but you may get alot of plants you don't care for...depends on what the breeder
had put in to get you there,,,,remember shit in =shit out! you can't make
a diamond out of a turd.
I'm working with NL X C99 in the F2 gen now to make an F3 I liked what I seen as the 2 lines were very stable to make the cross,so the F2 were all nice examples of either NL or C99 phenos,I've also seen a few unique phenos within each group displayed so it was easier to me,than let's say a Herijuana
I did years ago,,that was all over the map at the F2 gen.
Are F3's better and F4's ?
Yes they are in regards to the sequence or steps to get you to that point required you to select the nicest males and females and shit can all the garbage that had brought out recessive traits...so you've technically started to narrow it down again and the next generation will narrow down the wide array of phenos and start to look like what you have in mind...this is also where a bottleneck takes place as you only keep the 1 or 2 males that are twins and discard all the others,while only breeding them to the 1 particular type of gal that keeps resurfacing.
This is both good and bad,some want all the gals to look the same in every way ,,to me I say fug that! variety is the
spice of life,if I wanted all my plants the same I'd clone a momma to death,,,but that's what commercial growers do.
It's not a bad thing,they have a goal and they want maximum yield and consistent results,with lil concern to the quality of the end product
after all it get's sold to strangers whom they care not about,,,,the $ is the driving force with those cats.
I grow for myself and a few friends,so I want a decent array of phenos to chose from but maintaining quality at the same time.
I'll stop now and let some of you fire away and I'll pick up again but I need a beer..
Then I'll come back and talk about F3 F4 F5's
I always thought that F1's were the best because of its hybrid vigor. and F2 was worse, but after that F3 and F4 were better than the F2... but from what I'm reading it seems like the higher the number the worse it is... I'm all confused
[/QUOTE]Ok First I feel that beginners and novice growers treat breeding like electricity,they're afraid to delve into it or touch it as they feel there's
alot more going on than there really is...But once you're educated on it,in it
and around it "It" really becomes second nature.
Of course electricity hurts a bit more than breeding when you error..
Are F1 seed's better than say F2's?
This is dependant on what the grower wants,usually we'll assume
the majority of seed purchasers buy seeds to get a strain that is
as close to what a breeder describes in the big colored fancy worded
ad, (which btw, is usually 3 layers of bullshit with a red ribbon on it).
These will be grown out once and some gals selected for cloning if that
grower is set up to sustain a crop beyond the life cycle,these people
are growing the herb for themsleves and friends or they are selling it
commercially which is a risky move in today's society of prohibition.
In both of these situations an F1 is best as it can offer the best blend
of two strains , this offers a stable body of phenos in this first cross
they (if done correctly) will have attributes from both P1 parents
expressed evenly,vigor and rapid growth are almost guaranteed.
An F1 really shines when you cross 2 stable strains that are on the opposite
ends of the spectrum,,example would be a Deep Chunk and a Thai .
But these specimens are usually sought after by the more advanced growers
as they are too extreme to be considered a reasonable for the average grower,,,,
,"what the hell are you tallking about?"
A true blooded Afghani like deep chunk is worthless imo for a straight grow,offering
nothing but leafs the size of an elephant's ear,low yield.
A thai is again too extreme needing up to 16 weeks in some cases,and 10'
of ceiling with low yields also.
Both would be lacking in any sort of vigor.
Every grower wants a strain that will yield massive colas,low stretch,low leaf to flower ratio,rapid maturation ,crazy potency,and flavor to top it off.
so when a breeder has finally selected the P1 parents of 2 lines the next thing to do is cross them,,,then test the offspring,if the cross is acceptable
to them and has all these qualities that have been documented over 3-7 generations to isolate them,then and only then should they offer that Cross with a description of what the consumer should expect.
It's at this point that the P1 parents will have been cloned, tagged and multiplied so they can keep recreating that same exact cross for an indefinite amount of time.
OK so what is this about an F2 gen being not so good?
This is where I love to start,an F2 is created from breeding siblings
from within the F1 gen,this is where the grower may be scratching their
heads going what the fug just happend? why doesn't the gals look anything
and taste anything like the momma I hand selected to pollenate?
This is because most strains (F1) are multi and poly hybrids and while the
original was all uniform the F2's have the phenos representing all of the prior
lineage come out in the wash..this is great if you want a variety but you may get alot of plants you don't care for...depends on what the breeder
had put in to get you there,,,,remember shit in =shit out! you can't make
a diamond out of a turd.
I'm working with NL X C99 in the F2 gen now to make an F3 I liked what I seen as the 2 lines were very stable to make the cross,so the F2 were all nice examples of either NL or C99 phenos,I've also seen a few unique phenos within each group displayed so it was easier to me,than let's say a Herijuana
I did years ago,,that was all over the map at the F2 gen.
Are F3's better and F4's ?
Yes they are in regards to the sequence or steps to get you to that point required you to select the nicest males and females and shit can all the garbage that had brought out recessive traits...so you've technically started to narrow it down again and the next generation will narrow down the wide array of phenos and start to look like what you have in mind...this is also where a bottleneck takes place as you only keep the 1 or 2 males that are twins and discard all the others,while only breeding them to the 1 particular type of gal that keeps resurfacing.
This is both good and bad,some want all the gals to look the same in every way ,,to me I say fug that! variety is the
spice of life,if I wanted all my plants the same I'd clone a momma to death,,,but that's what commercial growers do.
It's not a bad thing,they have a goal and they want maximum yield and consistent results,with lil concern to the quality of the end product
after all it get's sold to strangers whom they care not about,,,,the $ is the driving force with those cats.
I grow for myself and a few friends,so I want a decent array of phenos to chose from but maintaining quality at the same time.
I'll stop now and let some of you fire away and I'll pick up again but I need a beer..
Then I'll come back and talk about F3 F4 F5's
mattso101
Well-Known Member
great thread carbon. I am currently growing C99 from DNA Genetics Reserva privada line. Do you know anything about it. I have herd that Brothergrimm gave the DNA guys a cutting to play with. I have started a journal if you care to stop by. I am always in for some constructive criticism
cabron
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Matt
Thanks for stopping by,I'm not familiar with those guys,I've read about them of course but won't make a comment unless I've personally tried their gear..and I have plenty of Bros Grimm stock already so whatever they have is no different.
I doubt soul gave these guys a cut of anything ,,,,that sounds like a load of shit to me..He sold beans,,,not givin away cuts to anybody.
As a matter of fact I've never heard of any breeders that I've conversed with over the years ever make a claim of having any of Bros Grimm's actual breeding mothers or daddys,,,,EVER!! a real breeder like those cats don't let the P1 parents out.
I had the genius cut once sent to me along with others such as Ortega,TW,Bubba Kush,schrom, yadda yadda and all the other elites as
they are reffered to....
I never thought of it as the real Genius that Soul had,it sure looked like it with all of it's unique angular branching,and clear energetic buzz like a line of coke.
I feel it was a pheno of genius selected from somebody's F1's.
shit who knows?
The seeds avaiable were all great anyway and could provide great parents for lines as they have.
So Matt I'm sure you'll enjoy the beans from these guys as it would be hard for them to screw up a line as solid as C99, yes it's that friggin good!
I'll take a look at your thread for sure...
Tck I hope I answered your question in a way that made any sense.and I'll touch up on a few more things today that I missed...just gotta get a few things done around here before I settle in.
Take Care!
Thanks for stopping by,I'm not familiar with those guys,I've read about them of course but won't make a comment unless I've personally tried their gear..and I have plenty of Bros Grimm stock already so whatever they have is no different.
I doubt soul gave these guys a cut of anything ,,,,that sounds like a load of shit to me..He sold beans,,,not givin away cuts to anybody.
As a matter of fact I've never heard of any breeders that I've conversed with over the years ever make a claim of having any of Bros Grimm's actual breeding mothers or daddys,,,,EVER!! a real breeder like those cats don't let the P1 parents out.
I had the genius cut once sent to me along with others such as Ortega,TW,Bubba Kush,schrom, yadda yadda and all the other elites as
they are reffered to....
I never thought of it as the real Genius that Soul had,it sure looked like it with all of it's unique angular branching,and clear energetic buzz like a line of coke.
I feel it was a pheno of genius selected from somebody's F1's.
shit who knows?
The seeds avaiable were all great anyway and could provide great parents for lines as they have.
So Matt I'm sure you'll enjoy the beans from these guys as it would be hard for them to screw up a line as solid as C99, yes it's that friggin good!
I'll take a look at your thread for sure...
Tck I hope I answered your question in a way that made any sense.and I'll touch up on a few more things today that I missed...just gotta get a few things done around here before I settle in.
Take Care!
mattso101
Well-Known Member
Thanks alot carbon.
I have never grown any DNA strains but I have smoked a few of them. They are very very nice. The cannalope Haze is super sticky a tastes like melons. Thier Chocolope aka D-line is some a the very best smoke I have had its thier Cannalop crossed with an old school chocolate thai. Super sweet and cholaty with a very nice sativa high.
That why I went with thtose beans cause I know C99 is very good strain and Those DNA guys know what thier doing.
I have never grown any DNA strains but I have smoked a few of them. They are very very nice. The cannalope Haze is super sticky a tastes like melons. Thier Chocolope aka D-line is some a the very best smoke I have had its thier Cannalop crossed with an old school chocolate thai. Super sweet and cholaty with a very nice sativa high.
That why I went with thtose beans cause I know C99 is very good strain and Those DNA guys know what thier doing.
cabron
Active Member
Yano what??? I'm tired of wasting my time,and effort trying to share what I've learned in life with others....
There's too many idiots here and at every other pot site that feels the need
to drop by and add nothing to a thread but uneducated,drool
Yeah Kaya I mean you and Gnat ...you people are a dime a dozen at sites...
You know jackshit and you feel you need to assure me you have many friends here and you're special like "Do you know who I am?" well yes as a matter of fact I do...from reading your posts and your lame ass grows I see
an idiot flat out fool....
You have a problem with somebody that might have a bit more knowledge
than you and lash out at them...well pussnuts if we were face to face I can assure you ,,,you wouldn't be so brave...
I'll cease to help anybody on this board....I'm done here also...
Kaya You're so fuckin smart you help out the people needing
it....genius...
The real breeders are the ones that have their own lil hiding place,a place that google will never find,and is never mentioned....a place where people are smart enough not to attack eachother and help one another to develop strains...sharing cuts,pollen etc.... yeah I used to be there before I had to leave to finish my degree...(took some time off the Hobby)
This is where the elites come from,,,and the cuts flourish....
So Fdd you can close this thread I'm done here,,,Take care my man..
There's too many idiots here and at every other pot site that feels the need
to drop by and add nothing to a thread but uneducated,drool
Yeah Kaya I mean you and Gnat ...you people are a dime a dozen at sites...
You know jackshit and you feel you need to assure me you have many friends here and you're special like "Do you know who I am?" well yes as a matter of fact I do...from reading your posts and your lame ass grows I see
an idiot flat out fool....
You have a problem with somebody that might have a bit more knowledge
than you and lash out at them...well pussnuts if we were face to face I can assure you ,,,you wouldn't be so brave...
I'll cease to help anybody on this board....I'm done here also...
Kaya You're so fuckin smart you help out the people needing
it....genius...
The real breeders are the ones that have their own lil hiding place,a place that google will never find,and is never mentioned....a place where people are smart enough not to attack eachother and help one another to develop strains...sharing cuts,pollen etc.... yeah I used to be there before I had to leave to finish my degree...(took some time off the Hobby)
This is where the elites come from,,,and the cuts flourish....
So Fdd you can close this thread I'm done here,,,Take care my man..
kayasgarden
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i didnt know you dont like nat he is great we have argued a bit but he has more respect for people. its just hard dealing with people who think their way is the only way, I think we should all help each other without such a hostile vibe about it.............get a clue people? Whatever i never said i wa so smart but you did tell me how stupid i am and i dont care
it may not be every pot site that had the problem but you?
it may not be every pot site that had the problem but you?
kayasgarden
Well-Known Member
i was not saying everyone likes me just that they know im not treating others like they are stupid and i know i will grow for a long time and still learn every day. you could stop puking on me any time now thats rude also
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