LED Noobs, STOP Buying China Junk

PetFlora said:

SDS tossing fuel on the fire

Think of the led company we could start with one million, let alone eleven

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You can just put the blame my good taste ,at picking gifts ...
Or better ,yet ,at Kinddiesel's pics ...
LOL.

Used to .
Back then,when I was 'happy'...
Now,I just don't give a shit, almost about everything regarding "go out and play" ...
I just don't care ...
I had my share of 'good moments' and 'joy of life' ...
More than enough ,I should say ...

Now,I feel tired ..
Of bars,clubs,women,night,speed,sex,love and all that crap of modern urban life ...

Yeap.
Tired.
Done almost everything ,a man can do.
Now I'm just sitting alone,peacefully and silently ,simply waiting for my death to come ....

There.
Question answered ?

you lika the juice ahh

Dang..how do you get tired of women. Put your light away..git ur butt to the bar..and find some putang

Can't be that tired. Arduino makes me tired just looking at it...lol.

Positivity said:

Dang..how do you get tired of women. Put your light away..git ur butt to the bar..and find some putang

Can't be that tired. Arduino makes me tired just looking at it...lol.

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There was a time ,when 'one-night-stands' summed-up in numbers ,larger than the days of a whole year..
Per year ...

There was a time ,when relationships ,were 'happy' and 'superficial ' without much ' asked 'or ' needed '....

There was a time ,that all women seemed 'unique' and 'beautiful' ,both regarding their 'inner' and 'outer' world ...

There was a time ,that I was young ,crazy and restless ...

Everything was ' important ' and had it's 'magic' ...

Time passes ...
Every 'tower ' fell one after another ....

Right now ,to me -at least ,a humble 'Arduino' will offer me ,much more 'joy' and 'satisfaction ' ,
than a room filled with the year's playmates ( also left sexually starved,all of them for at least a month ..)

Maybe ,it's just that I want 'something' more ,these days ...
I'm almost 40 years old ...

'Putangs ' seem all the same to me ....
Same shit,different smell ...

So,should I start searching for a 'soulmate ' ?

Nahhh...

Too old and 'tired' ...

I've been accustomed to my 'loneliness ' ,long time now ...
And I've to admit ,that I love it ..

Shit ....
Did I just said ,that I love being alone ?


“To live alone one must be a beast or a god, says Aristotle.
Leaving out the third case: one must be both -- a philosopher.”
Friedrich Nietzsche

We are indeed sons of different mothers/ fathers

Divorced twice, lived with 3 other women, multiple > one year 'relationships'. Last attempt was 2008. Bank Manager, beautiful Jamaican (runner u fo Miss Jamaica) very nice person, I was smitten. Thought this is the one. Turned out she was a HEAVY drinker, as was her father and mother. Relationship lasted < 6 months

What I was referring to when I said "get out' was getting out to commune with nature- walk in the park, mountains, by the sea... away from the intense EMFs, and solder fumes

Great article posted by GOUD elsewhere

Provides excellent insight on the differences between quality panels and low price alternatives

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2014/4/lighting? utm_source=nivoslider&utm_medium=slider&utm_campaign=clickthru

go ahead and buy your light from china

plant your shit in a plastic pot, put 5 in one pot

use dirt from your back yard

tear off all the leaves

buy autos from a website that no one has ever heard of

use nutes from walmart

starve your plants the last two weeks

could you please add apache to the list lol

PetFlora said:

Let me and others be clear, China is very capable of making excellent products

Alas, many/most are solely into deception, making cheap products that look good, but don't last long

Even when a company hires them to produce a quality product, said company needs to keep strict QC controls

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that falls out of the standard scope of work in China

the business model in China is make crap, sell crap, make money

If I am a China maker and I go the extra mile to make "Not Crap" how do I differentiate myself from the rest of the crap makers?

Greengenes707 said:

Why wait...how are they doing so far/on the first run. How do you quantify your love for your lights.

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I was using the 900 to veg and clone with, but got into a accident on march 4th so I couldn't flip to flower and I was in the hospital for 24 days and the plants got way to big so I chopped them into more clones to salvage my strains. While I was in the hospital my 23yr old son watered the plants. Why I love the lights, they are bright and low heat.

I bought a 1200 mx from 2nd sun labs last week (chinese) paid 900. Actual draw 750W its got 8 90W composite chip's and 96 5W diodes, three dimmers and a screw rattling around on the inside of the light lol. Its bright as F, doesn't make a lotta heat and draws 7 amps. plants are 2' away from it, and not stretching like they would under HPS and i have it all the way turnt up. Wish I had a light meter. They look super healthy and are stacking nodes 5-6 days into flower.

I think that some people expect the same growth patterns under LED's as they get under HPS, and that's never going to be the case. When you change a variable such as the Light your plants receive you have to expect the plants to react in some way.

The whole car comparison from the last page is absolutely stupid, I am not dumber for reading it. All I'm gonna say on that topic is, GM has recalled 13.6 million vehicles in the last 5 months. Have any foreign auto dealers done that? Of course they assemble on U.S. dirt we force the foreign auto makers to assemble the vehicles on U.S. soil by imposing massive tariff's on imported vehicles. Assembling here is how they stay competitive. Honestly I just made that up. It sounds good tho.

there's no political entities or big billion dollar corporations involved with led companies. The car thing doesn't apply. Besides. Toyota, Porsche, land rover, jaguar, Hyundai, Honda, Subaru have all had recalls at one point or another. When there's a recall. You bring your vehicle to the dealership and they repair or replace the faulty item.. Not destroy cars... Anyway good luck with that china crap. With us high end users our lights will last much longer and use far less watts. The high end companies actually hold up warranties unlike the Chinese companies.

I am using an A51 light. It's working very well….although I have no experience with any other comparable light. I purchased mine based on what experienced LED growers were saying. The white LEDS are very nice to work under and the additional red for flowering seem to make the buds happy. We'll see in about 6 more weeks!

I just replaced my 432w hot5 with a BML SPYDR 600.

On loan.

Made in Texas

Choose your own spectrums

$999

20 days since first pistils

I get to keep it for a full grow, but wanted to see how it finishes now

hyroot said:

Sony is American made and been for the last few years. Sharp makes all Sony products. That's why they have gone down hill. Samsung is japanes and runs the electronic world...Nothing innovative comes from china. Even their weapons came from the U.S. and Russia. Even the window washers in china don't use lifts. Just rope and a plank of wood... All the cars are from the 80's. Most of the country rides 1970's schwins (u.s.). Chinas biggest company is berrenger audio.

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hyroot said:

...Cree has plants in 12 countries. They are based in Santa Barbara California...
...a Hyundai will break down before a gm.For example their blocks are aluminum. Gm's are cast iron. Nissan and Toyota have cast iron blocks too...they don't offer the same warranty. They are all made in 12 hours on an assembly line by machines. Ferrari Lamborghini, Bentley , rolls, all tale 7-12 months to build and are built by hand.
with china lights. You spend $200 less for the same footprint. Twice the watts. Lower par. Then they don't hold up warranties... with kind / cidly it takes About 920 watts to cover a 4x4. With a51 or apache its 300w less...

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hyroot said:

there's no political entities or big billion dollar corporations involved with led companies.

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Do you just talk out of your ass 100% when you post. Nearly every word of your post in this topic are full of BS. Sony is mostly Japanese made and Sharp is a Japanese company as well and closed most of it's US plants due to poor performance and unions and has moved the vast majority of their operations to Mexico. Samsung is Korean. The Chinese have no US weapons. They do however use motorized window washing platforms. Have one of the worlds largest car manufacturers and several bicycle companies. Their largest company is (last I recall) Sinopec, an oil company. Their largest company for international sales is Baosteel, which produces over 40% of the worlds steel supply (including US auto makers).

Cree is based out of Durham, NC not Santa Barbara. They have Plants in 2 countries the US and China. There are 86 million people taking their GM vehicles in for repairs atm that would disagree... fyi they just broke their own record for the largest recall in history. Nearly all cars have aluminum blocks now including the Chevy Corvette, the Porch 911, and many many more. Ferrari's and Lamborghini's both take ~2 to 3 weeks if you custom order... less if you take all stock options. Please show me plants from either of those you company's mentioned using 300 watts over a 4x4 area. That's less than 20 watts per square foot. Even the Han's panel puts out more than that.

Both Phillips and Cree are multi billion dollar a year companies....

Any post from you have now become irrelevant and a waste of time to read.

grapeoptimo said:

I bought a 1200 mx from 2nd sun labs last week (chinese) paid 900. Actual draw 750W its got 8 90W composite chip's and 96 5W diodes, three dimmers and a screw rattling around on the inside of the light lol. Its bright as F, doesn't make a lotta heat and draws 7 amps. plants are 2' away from it, and not stretching like they would under HPS and i have it all the way turnt up. Wish I had a light meter. They look super healthy and are stacking nodes 5-6 days into flower.

I think that some people expect the same growth patterns under LED's as they get under HPS, and that's never going to be the case. When you change a variable such as the Light your plants receive you have to expect the plants to react in some way.

The whole car comparison from the last page is absolutely stupid, I am not dumber for reading it. All I'm gonna say on that topic is, GM has recalled 13.6 million vehicles in the last 5 months. Have any foreign auto dealers done that? Of course they assemble on U.S. dirt we force the foreign auto makers to assemble the vehicles on U.S. soil by imposing massive tariff's on imported vehicles. Assembling here is how they stay competitive. Honestly I just made that up. It sounds good tho.

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Also known as the gehl noah 8. You can get it for almost half the price going straight through gehl. minimum order 1...$488......http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Gehl-2014-hot-sale-Noah-Series_1864170264.html?s=p

Hosebomber said:

Do you just talk out of your ass 100% when you post. Nearly every word of your post in this topic are full of BS. Sony is mostly Japanese made and Sharp is a Japanese company as well and closed most of it's US plants due to poor performance and unions and has moved the vast majority of their operations to Mexico. Samsung is Korean. The Chinese have no US weapons. They do however use motorized window washing platforms. Have one of the worlds largest car manufacturers and several bicycle companies. Their largest company is (last I recall) Sinopec, an oil company. Their largest company for international sales is Baosteel, which produces over 40% of the worlds steel supply (including US auto makers).

Cree is based out of Durham, NC not Santa Barbara. They have Plants in 2 countries the US and China. There are 86 million people taking their GM vehicles in for repairs atm that would disagree... fyi they just broke their own record for the largest recall in history. Nearly all cars have aluminum blocks now including the Chevy Corvette, the Porch 911, and many many more. Ferrari's and Lamborghini's both take ~2 to 3 weeks if you custom order... less if you take all stock options. Please show me plants from either of those you company's mentioned using 300 watts over a 4x4 area. That's less than 20 watts per square foot. Even the Han's panel puts out more than that.

Both Phillips and Cree are multi billion dollar a year companies....

Any post from you have now become irrelevant and a waste of time to read.

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go crees site. They have contact numbers and adresses for 24 offices, their main in Santa Barbara. And 12 plants each in a different country. Sharp is U.S. Based company. They do make all Sony products. They do have sweat shops in Indonesia though... I was wrong about Samsung. Samsung funds the Korean govt with bribes and what not. Cree is a publically traded company. No where near the amount of shares gm has. Cree does not have political ties like gm.

Nissan, Chevy, Toyota, BMW still use cast iron blocks. Shit my car has a cast iron block.
Ferrari, lambos take 3 weeks to be delivered
they take 7-10 months to build.. Why do you think there's a 2-3 year waiting list for brand new lambos and ferrari's. The ones you aee on th street are usually purchased as abused vehicle so they don't have to pay guzzlers tax and luxury tax. Both are around 8% each. The only thing you said was right was Samsung and Porsche having aluminum blocks (only in lower end cars like boxter)..

you must hate on me tough trollo, you went through all that just to argue and you were mostly wrong. Good job making yourself look bad.

I never ever said 300w over a 4x4. By that me and everyone else knows you are talking out your ass...I said 155w over 3 x 2.5. I was also talking shit on bml in another thread. They claim their 330w light will do a 4x4. With led its 500-600 watts for a 4x4 to match a 1000w. Area 51 or apache tech. Inda gro induction with add on led pontoon will cover a 4x4-5x5 with 460 watts. There has been a few people who have hit 1 gpw running 2 a51's at 310w total over a 4x4. That will match a 600w hps in yield.