Leaves sagging more every day....?? (pics)

quick question. My ladies have been growing nicely from clone for one month now. I got them 3/22/09. The leaves have started sagging. they started doing this last week, and it has gotten worse everyday.

I vegged the clones for 3 weeks until they were about 9 and 10 inches tall. on an 18/6. Now they are on a 12/12.

current light set up for flowering
- 6 - 2700 kelvin cfls - warm
- 1 - 6500 kelvin cfl - daylight - cool

I have used no nutrients. Just soil from home depot witch I believe has some in it that should last the first few months.

I water about 1 cup every other day. I let the water run through the faucet for a few minutes before i fill up the water jug. then I let it sit for at least 2 hours.
I don't do an actual ph test. (maybe this is the problem?? )

I recently moved the box downstairs yesterday because it was starting to reach 90 degrees in the box upstairs. today it only got up to 82 at its hottest point right before it turned off for the night.

the sagging was bad today.
any ideas?
you guys are the pros.
hope this was enough info for ya.
here are some pics of the plants, leaves, and lighting setup.

also, once they get healthy again, are these nutrients good? (see pic)

also I forgot to say. every morning when the lights turn back on I take a look at them and they are not sagging. they look pretty good actually. I will check it tommorow morning and see if they get back to normal again and post an update.
thanks everyone.
any input will help.
1st grow

Overwatered most likely slim chance of it being to cold if its cold there. Overwatered probably though lett em dry eat cats

hobogrower said:

Overwatered most likely slim chance of it being to cold if its cold there. Overwatered probably though lett em dry eat cats

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I thought it would be over heat not to cold?.?... 90 degrees. would that do it?

also that temp might dry out the soil?
just a thought

The leaf margins curl up and in if heat stressed when it is to cold the insides of the leaves will get a yellow hue and droop. If your not in the 50's then lettem dry out cuz they are over watered 1st guess. Eat some cats yeah

I second the over watering idea. At the very most I water every other day, you have to make sure your soil is DRY (well, damn near anyway) before you water.

I would recommend laying off the water for 3 days and seeing what happens.

ok cool thanks guys I will try that.

they confuse me a little because I looked at them again tonight after the light had been off for 2 hours and they weren not sagging anymore. Kind makes me think... but if you guys say thats over watering I believe you.

i vote for overwatering as well, one of my plants is all droopy as well, but im SURE i overwatered it.

does it perk back up at night?

I am leaving tow for three days. I don't want to come back and see them in worse shape they are now.

I agree they seem to show signs of over watering look thru the FAQ in the upper right corner of the forum header it looks like them. Plus I just learned this as I am new to soil and every other day good watering is not always needed just have to learn to let the plants ask for water. Good luck

i say you turn on that fan for some venilation

hydgrow said:

I agree they seem to show signs of over watering look thru the FAQ in the upper right corner of the forum header it looks like them. Plus I just learned this as I am new to soil and every other day good watering is not always needed just have to learn to let the plants ask for water. Good luck

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Listen, every other day watering is way to much unless they are big plants in teenie pots. Though this appears to be over watering, also could be compounding the problem by heat stress.
You need to keep that air moving my friend.
When you water, water enough to make it really moist. Then let it dry out for up to a week. I have huge plants in 1 gallon bags that take a 1/2 gallon of water and or nutes per water/feeding. this generealy lasts up to 3-5 days. Mark all this on a calender to keep records ok. Plants do prek up in the morning and tend to sag some when lights are off or at the end off the day. This is normal.

Be careful who you take advice from here like this guy who has just STARTED growing in soil and is giving you advice.

I would reccomend Fox Farm nutes because I have had the best results with them. For the last ten years it's what I have been using, great stuff really. Those you have there are bloom nutes. Unless your flowering I would use something with more N.

northeastern lights said:

I would reccomend Fox Farm nutes because I have had the best results with them. For the last ten years it's what I have been using, great stuff really. Those you have there are bloom nutes. Unless your flowering I would use something with more N.

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yeah I am flowering right now because my grow cab is somewhat small.
Thanks for the tips on the watering. I will def. take your advice.
just one question though.
you said that the plats normally sag a little when the light is off and perk up in the morning when the lights turn on.
this is the opposite of what I was explaining was happening to my plants.
they are sagging in the light and perking up in the dark.

Honestly i wouldn't worry to much. If they look healthy and are growing at a healthy rate your probably just fine my friend. If your grow is so small you could also bend the plant. Next time try topping it to produce an even canopy as you will yield more this way with most strains.

northeastern lights said:

Listen, every other day watering is way to much unless they are big plants in teenie pots. Though this appears to be over watering, also could be compounding the problem by heat stress.
You need to keep that air moving my friend.
When you water, water enough to make it really moist. Then let it dry out for up to a week. I have huge plants in 1 gallon bags that take a 1/2 gallon of water and or nutes per water/feeding. this generealy lasts up to 3-5 days. Mark all this on a calender to keep records ok. Plants do prek up in the morning and tend to sag some when lights are off or at the end off the day. This is normal.

Be careful who you take advice from here like this guy who has just STARTED growing in soil and is giving you advice.

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Funny you say that when all I did is give him the advide of finding the answer on his own. Then you state "plants perk up when the lights are on its normal" no shit whiz kid thats why he's having the opposite happening and posted. Maybe you watch taking advice from guys like this who obviously have experience but cant read!

Also, one of the newer grower mistakes is to over think and over do first grows. Keep it simple and you will succeed. As time goes on try experimenting and tweaking them a bit. You can listen to all the advice you want. But there is no substitute for experience.

hydgrow said:

Funny you say that when all I did is give him the advide of finding the answer on his own. Then you state "plants perk up when the lights are on its normal" no shit whiz kid thats why he's having the opposite happening and posted. Maybe you watch taking advice from guys like this who obviously have experience but cant read!

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Wow taking it a little personal I see there Jr. When you grow up come on back and show us what you got. How bout some pics of your masterpiece. Ha!

Browntown777 said:

ok cool thanks guys I will try that.

they confuse me a little because I looked at them again tonight after the light had been off for 2 hours and they weren not sagging anymore. Kind makes me think... but if you guys say thats over watering I believe you.

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You realize if you can see them in the dark period they're getting light, which is an absolute no no. Two or more bad things can come of this. These are the biggest problems.

1) Your plant will revert back to vegetative state (ive never seen this but I heard of it)

2) Your plants will slow or completely stop produceing bud resulting in a delayed and weak yeild. When I say weak I mean from a weight point of view, the plant will never reach its peak if theres not 12 hours of complete darkness. I don't know how this will effect potency.

Once that light goes out it should be ignored the FULL 12 hours unless you hear somthing fall in there, or smell wires burning from to much humidity and high powered exhaust fan.

To be safe I run 12 hours light 12 hours 15 minutes of dark to account for the time for the HPS bulb to go completely out and any issues you may have sealing the room on the way out if its built on a budget.


This is just MY take on it. If anyone has anything to add or correct im not gonna be a dick about it. I just like to help.

i vote underwatering too. it would either be over watering or under watering and it def looks more like overwatering because the leaves arent wilted like they would be with underwatering. let us know how it looks when u get back