Leaves losing green with green residue rubbing off fabric bucket! Discoloration & burn! HALP (Pics)

Von Brawn · May 13, 2017

Jypsy Dog said:
Cal/Mag Hydroguard are MUSTS. I like to run Silica also. Do some homework on the upside of using Silica. 5.8 is golden... but letting it run up to 6.2 and she can "Eat" some of the other nutes at a higher rate. pH drift is a GOOD THING. The guy that's NOT ph checking is LUCKY. But when an issue pops up, it ALL comes back to pH. Stay on top of pH and your grow goes much smoother. Update after the FLUSH!!!

My only Q is: Why am I using 7.0 ph water to flush? If 5.8 is the golden standard, shouldn't I flush with gallons of 5.8ph water instead of 7.0?

Also 5.8 ph = ideal for both veg + bloom?

Thanks again Jypsy! I'll shout you out when I write up my log later this weekend.

I'll def update after flushing today

Roger A. Shrubber · May 13, 2017

i think they were using the 7.0 as a "control" but its not really needed. if you want to test your root zone ph, the best way without a soil test kit is to get yourself two saucers, put your plant in one, and start watering it slowly ( 5.8 ph water would be fine, i think). as soon as you get about a pint of water in that saucer, put the plant in the other one and finish watering it. test that first pint of water for ph, if its wildly off from 5.8, say lower than 5.5 or higher than 6.5, you have a root zone ph problem. the easiest way to cure that is to repot into better soil, with a good amount of sand or perlite for drainage

Von Brawn · May 14, 2017

Thanks for taking the time and applying your patience fellas!

I'll shout you both out in the log I create soon!

Here's an update:

Jypsy Dog said:
Cal/Mag Hydroguard are MUSTS. I like to run Silica also. Do some homework on the upside of using Silica. 5.8 is golden... but letting it run up to 6.2 and she can "Eat" some of the other nutes at a higher rate. pH drift is a GOOD THING. The guy that's NOT ph checking is LUCKY. But when an issue pops up, it ALL comes back to pH. Stay on top of pH and your grow goes much smoother. Update after the FLUSH!!!

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i think they were using the 7.0 as a "control" but its not really needed. if you want to test your root zone ph, the best way without a soil test kit is to get yourself two saucers, put your plant in one, and start watering it slowly ( 5.8 ph water would be fine, i think). as soon as you get about a pint of water in that saucer, put the plant in the other one and finish watering it. test that first pint of water for ph, if its wildly off from 5.8, say lower than 5.5 or higher than 6.5, you have a root zone ph problem. the easiest way to cure that is to repot into better soil, with a good amount of sand or perlite for drainage

I flushed with ~5.8x ph 3 times total.

I measured the run off twice. Once with a small bowl, which was the immediate run off. Second time after the first full flush, when the water looked discolored.

As Roger recommended, I took the immediate run off in a small saucer and measured it. The water came out very clear. It read 5.84 - 5.86 (measured 3x). This is the exact same ph I put into the first flush. I made sure to slow pour into the middle, so as not to let it run down the outside and straight into the drainage bucket.

Immediate run off, small saucer pH = 5.84 - 5.86 (exactly what I poured in)

First flush of pure water. Ph = 5.84-5.86 (measured 2x)

After flushing with a little over a gallon, the water was quite murky and discolored. I decided to measure this ph too.

The run off from the first flush (after small saucer reading) = 6.01 - 6.02 ph

Second flush of pure water + hydrogen peroxide. Ph = 5.83 - 5.86 (3x)

I tried to slow pour into the middle and hit every angle in the bucket to get full coverage. I didn't measure the run off here. Water looked murky here too.

Third flush with 1/2 nutes + hydrogen peroxide. Ph = 5.87

On @Jypsy Dog 's recommendation, I used half the strength of my normal feed plus hydro per. I ph'd it to hit 5.8x and poured it in slowly. I believe I effectively soaked every inch of the pot.

I did some more folding too. I had to, the growth is getting out of hand.

I really need to flip asap. IDK if I'll have space for bloom unless I flip this upcoming week.

Now I play the waiting game and ensure all my new growth continues to grow healthily. Do you guys think I can continue the daily feedings with less nutes but with the correct 5.8 ph? (I was consistently feeding her 6.0 ph + before this)...

She dries out so fast after a watering, seems like she's grown accustomed to a lot of food. Should I maintain the 5.8 ph throughout the bloom period, as well?

I'm going to get some hydroguard and the silica (?) product jypsy was talking about. Do you include hydroguard in every feed?

Thanks again for all the help guys!

Jypsy Dog · May 14, 2017

Von Brawn said:
Thanks for taking the time and applying your patience fellas!

I'll shout you both out in the log I create soon!

Here's an update:

I flushed with ~5.8x ph 3 times total.

I measured the run off twice. Once with a small bowl, which was the immediate run off. Second time after the first full flush, when the water looked discolored.

As Roger recommended, I took the immediate run off in a small saucer and measured it. The water came out very clear. It read 5.84 - 5.86 (measured 3x). This is the exact same ph I put into the first flush. I made sure to slow pour into the middle, so as not to let it run down the outside and straight into the drainage bucket.

Immediate run off, small saucer pH = 5.84 - 5.86 (exactly what I poured in)

First flush of pure water. Ph = 5.84-5.86 (measured 2x)

After flushing with a little over a gallon, the water was quite murky and discolored. I decided to measure this ph too.

The run off from the first flush (after small saucer reading) = 6.01 - 6.02 ph

Second flush of pure water + hydrogen peroxide. Ph = 5.83 - 5.86 (3x)

I tried to slow pour into the middle and hit every angle in the bucket to get full coverage. I didn't measure the run off here. Water looked murky here too.

Third flush with 1/2 nutes + hydrogen peroxide. Ph = 5.87

On @Jypsy Dog 's recommendation, I used half the strength of my normal feed plus hydro per. I ph'd it to hit 5.8x and poured it in slowly. I believe I effectively soaked every inch of the pot.

I did some more folding too. I had to, the growth is getting out of hand.

I really need to flip asap. IDK if I'll have space for bloom unless I flip this upcoming week.

Now I play the waiting game and ensure all my new growth continues to grow healthily. Do you guys think I can continue the daily feedings with less nutes but with the correct 5.8 ph? (I was consistently feeding her 6.0 ph + before this)...

She dries out so fast after a watering, seems like she's grown accustomed to a lot of food. Should I maintain the 5.8 ph throughout the bloom period, as well?

I'm going to get some hydroguard and the silica (?) product jypsy was talking about. Do you include hydroguard in every feed?

Thanks again for all the help guys!

Sounds like you flushed all the salt build up.. YES on the Hyroguard with all your feedings and waterings. Its only 2ml/gal. Silica I would do the same. Really helps with the stress factor. If you need to water everyday, try water-water-feed and see how she responds. With that flush she should show improvement fast. Remember to get that pot up so it can drain. Your salts will build again if she sits in her own puddle.

Jypsy Dog · May 14, 2017

I forgot to mention about SILICA... Mix it FIRST into any solution you are using. It tends to clump when add late in the mix.

Von Brawn · May 15, 2017

Jypsy Dog said:
Sounds like you flushed all the salt build up.. YES on the Hyroguard with all your feedings and waterings. Its only 2ml/gal. Silica I would do the same. Really helps with the stress factor. If you need to water everyday, try water-water-feed and see how she responds. With that flush she should show improvement fast.

Ok. Guess I'll water again today and feed tomorrow and go from there.

Remember to get that pot up so it can drain. Your salts will build again if she sits in her own puddle.

Yep. Been off the ground since day 1. The pics I provided didn't capture the entire set-up. I'll post it in my log, I'll shout you out!

Jypsy Dog said:
I forgot to mention about SILICA... Mix it FIRST into any solution you are using. It tends to clump when add late in the mix.

Sounds good. I'm def getting hydroguard,

I'm researching silica now... it makes your plants able to carry heavier fruits during bloom! Builds heat and drought resistance, wow. Is Silica a compound or a brand? Any specific ones you recommend?

I'm still planning on flipping her this week.

Thanks again for all your help Jypsy! Hopefully I'm out of the woods for now

Jypsy Dog · May 15, 2017

Von Brawn said:
Ok. Guess I'll water again today and feed tomorrow and go from there.

Yep. Been off the ground since day 1. The pics I provided didn't capture the entire set-up. I'll post it in my log, I'll shout you out!

Sounds good. I'm def getting hydroguard,

I'm researching silica now... it makes your plants able to carry heavier fruits during bloom! Builds heat and drought resistance, wow. Is Silica a compound or a brand? Any specific ones you recommend?

I'm still planning on flipping her this week.

Thanks again for all your help Jypsy! Hopefully I'm out of the woods for now

There's different concentrations of SILICA. I grabbed Silica Blast. Try to stay with one you check reviews on. I'm in AZ. My girls get heat stressed.

Leaves losing green with green residue rubbing off fabric bucket! Discoloration & burn! HALP (Pics)

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