Leaves folding like tacos?

Yoo guys whats up, my crop is only about 11-12 days old, i have some pictures in my thread under indoor/CFLs. the two first leaves that popped out are now starting to fold like tacos.. im thinking the problem is probably 'nute burn' from the MG potting mix im using. it just started doing it this morning around 3am (12 hours ago). they arent turning yellow or losing any color yet. im using no nutes besides what is in my potting mix. Anything i can do to prevent it from getting any worse? is this normal? whats this usually mean? HELP! i dont want my first baby to die. if its from the MG potting mix and there is nothing i can do just leave a comment saying hate to say i told ya so! lol thanks guys

MG is just no good man. I hate to say it but this young, it may be better to just start new seed/s in better soil. If you can somehow correct it you are bound to have more problems with the MG down the road. That said...what are your temps, can you post the pics here?, how often do you water? what kind of water? do you ph it? etc...

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/488960-pot-plant-problems-visual-guide.html

Hope that helps.

keep ph at a steady 6.5 for veg and 6.2 for flowering. use some superthrive until flowering and than switch to nitrozyme.

yeah i started off with miracle grow for a month, it was shitty. then transplanted to fox farms ocean forest. seems to be doing so much better, def will prob need some calmag for sure though

i know MG is no good, the plant is too big to transplant into different soil now. its about 4-5 inches tall with huge roots. the temps are about 80 under the light. i dont know what to do. i water almost everyday using aquafina (i read the PH is 6.2). besides switching soils, what can i do to save this beautiful plant? the leaves are folding worse and worse like tacos. the leaves look somewhat dry, but i water the plant quite a bit. please someone help! that visual guide had nothing that looked like my problem :/

I don't get why people are so neg about MG. My buddy uses it and his girls would be just fine if he stopped pulling handfuls of leaf off them because he is imaptient. I have seen a lot of beautiful grows on this and other forums that are done in MG. For me personally I use FF Happy Frog, I like to be more in control of what nutes my girls get and at what times. Probably the worst thing about MG is the taste of the finished product due to remaining nutes. But a good flush a couple of days before harvest should help with that. Anyway, about the 'taco' thing as you saw on the other posts, when a plant is over dried the leaf edges will curl as the plant is straining to retain moisture. Good luck and +rep for popping your farming cherry!

bkbbudz said:

I don't get why people are so neg about MG. My buddy uses it and his girls would be just fine if he stopped pulling handfuls of leaf off them because he is imaptient. I have seen a lot of beautiful grows on this and other forums that are done in MG. For me personally I use FF Happy Frog, I like to be more in control of what nutes my girls get and at what times. Probably the worst thing about MG is the taste of the finished product due to remaining nutes. But a good flush a couple of days before harvest should help with that. Anyway, about the 'taco' thing as you saw on the other posts, when a plant is over dried the leaf edges will curl as the plant is straining to retain moisture. Good luck and +rep for popping your farming cherry!

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thanks man! yeah the problem with MG as ive been told is that it feeds our plants the wrong nutes at the wrong times. im such a beginner that i wouldnt know how to feed my plant correctly if it was all up to me. this is just a bagseed grow, i have nice beans coming in the mail that should be here anyday now. after this bagseed grow im going to do the next grow with the expensive beans correctly, with some fox farm and nutes once i learn more about feeding.


also, when people talk about 'flushing' the crop, whats that mean and how do you do it?

wow, there is a lot of wrong information out there about MG. People just believe what other people say with out asking any questions or for proof. MG soil has water soluble nutrients in it. That means every time you water your plants, you give them food. The trick with MG is to not over water your plants and you will do just fine. My first grow was in MG and they were healthy happy plants once I got my waters PH under control. As for MG pot having a bad taste, well that's just false. Learn how plants use nutrients and you'll realize that flushing is a myth. You can't pull nutrients out of your plant by giving it just water, it just doesn't work that way. Since MG nutrients are water soluble the legendary pre-harvest 2 week flush won't help anything. In fact it'll only make it taste worse if you are so inclined to believe that the nutrients are stuck in the bud and your smoking them.

Trust who you want, but take your own experience over others advice. Try leaving one of your plants in MG if you plan on switching them all to FFoF and get your watering schedule under control and compare it at the end. Try not flushing one of your plants and see if it makes a difference to you. BTW FFoF is an organic soil, where as MG uses salt based nutrients, so if you do transplant into FFoF try and get as much of that MG out of there or the salts and urea and harsher chemical nutrients will kill of your soils bacteria and be counter productive to switching to a organic soil.

Hope some of this information helps out. Happy growing.

Flushing is just that, flushing the medium to remove salts and left over nutes. The general rule of thumb is to use 2 to 3 times the water as you have soil. I flush between cycles to rid the veg nutes before I start flowering nutes. And then again 10-14 days before harvest, this takes all the remaining nutes out of the buds so you don't taste them in the smoke and you get a better burn. Ever try to smoke a doob that won't stay lit? When I was a kid I thought that meant it was great bud because the resin was so thick it put the joint out. The truth is, it was not flushed and the fertilizer was doing the dirty work. Personally I would rather taste bud than fertilizer! LOL!

As a suggestion, I was the same way about knowing when, how much etc about nutes. So I asked an experienced gardner. He recommended the Technaflora recipe for success kit. It is complete nutrition and completely idiot proof. You can get a starter kit for about $40.00. Has enough for a few grows if you are only doing a couple at a time. And when you run out of you can either get full sized bottles or get another kit. The "Sugar Daddy" nute is used both in veg and flower so it gets used up quicker than the rest.

Also, FF Ocean Forest in my opinion is too 'hot' (has too much nute) for clones and seedlings. So I use the FF Happy Frog which is more mild. The Technaflora and soil have both worked very well for me. I have a small tent and do 2 plants at a time strictly for personal medication. I avg 5-6 ounces per grow. The Happy Frog has enough nutes to last a good 3 weeks so I give no nutes at all until 3 weeks after planting and then 3 weeks after transplanting to my finishing pot.

thanks for all the info guys, it was all helpful. i gave my plant an entire bottle of water since it seemed to be drying out, then a few hours later shut the lights off for the 6 hours of dark, and gave them a very fine misting. i also added one 27watt 2700k light when i turned the lights back on just to get a different spectrum of light under there with the 6500ks it had. turned the fan on a little higher than usual because of the added light, and hopefully she looks happy in the morning! ill keep you guys updated if youre interested, but thanks again for all the help fellas.

MG might be bad it might be good it aint the reason your plants are folding like tacos. This is an old post but let me clear this up. Several things cause the taco effect. The #1 reason is that the lights are too close to the tops of the plants. Their intensity causes this defensive maneuver to lesson the surface area of the plants photo receptive surface area (top part of the leaf). Move your lights 8-10 inches away and see what happens. Usually 36 inches of distance is plenty for a 600watt HPS bulb with air handling system integrated light fixtures. This is all dependent of course on the strain genetics and it's sensitivity to light and other environmental factors. #2 Heat is the enemy of marijuana, If she gets too hot she will not do well. Keep fans blowing at variable rates. One day a nice breeze then another a strong wind. Use oscillating fans that have at least 3 settings. The wind isn't always the same in nature, it changes constantly and yours should too. Use AC to keep the temps in the upper 60's for most strains or up to 76º for Sativas. I know what your thinking, those temps are too cold right? Nope try it, you will see. #3 Too much light is unnecessary and cost prohibitive. Use only the wattage you need per square meter of space. 100 watt = 4'X4'. Peace.

I use miracle grow moisture control. No issues at all. Its ph is 6.1 perfect for weed.