Leaves dying from the bottom. Tips clawed down, rust color.

BorgCube

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Seeing new symptoms on a first grow. Coco, pH 6.2. Temps 23-25, 65-70% humidity (trying to keep to VPD chart)

EC is at .8-.9

not sure how to fix:
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appreciate the help!
 

Silentvirtue

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pH is wrong 5.5-5.8 in coco or hydro or soilless mixes

6-6.5 in soil.

Looks like youve started having a cal mag issue prob due to slightly low nitrogen levels or unbuffered coco.

Sort the PH first.
 

Tuckatan

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What coco are you using? Is it buffered?

make sure you’re feeding cal mag with every feed/water. It does look like it could be aN early Ca deficiency.

Coco requires a PH range of 5.5 - 6.5. You want to aim for a PH of around 5.8 until you get into flower, at which point personally I raise to 6.2 to help the plant assimilate the most required nutrients. Also worth checking your PH meter calibration to be sure.

what nutes are you feeding right now, and what is your water source?
 

BorgCube

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Thanks for helping!

1. Coco coir is buffered, was made with these instructions/video:

2. I am feeding CalMag with every feeding, I've been following these instructions here:

Solution consists of:
a. Mixing calmag and nutrients per bottle instructions (am using the advanced nutrients line. Voodoo Juice, flora/bloom/grow, B-52)
b. Diluting to a specific EC, which is slowly ramped up during the grow
c. Fixing pH on the diluted solution to a specific target. Dr. Coco specifically targets 6.1-6.2

3. Water source is an RO filter that we have in the kitchen, this guy: https://www.theperfectwater.com/Home-Master-hydroperfection-Reverse-Osmosis-Water-Filtration-System.html

I've done a foliar spray w/Calmag at .8 EC just now, hopefully this helps. Maybe water with just Calmag every second watering?
 

teddy bonkers

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Thanks for helping!

1. Coco coir is buffered, was made with these instructions/video:

2. I am feeding CalMag with every feeding, I've been following these instructions here:

Solution consists of:
a. Mixing calmag and nutrients per bottle instructions (am using the advanced nutrients line. Voodoo Juice, flora/bloom/grow, B-52)
b. Diluting to a specific EC, which is slowly ramped up during the grow
c. Fixing pH on the diluted solution to a specific target. Dr. Coco specifically targets 6.1-6.2

3. Water source is an RO filter that we have in the kitchen, this guy: https://www.theperfectwater.com/Home-Master-hydroperfection-Reverse-Osmosis-Water-Filtration-System.html

I've done a foliar spray w/Calmag at .8 EC just now, hopefully this helps. Maybe water with just Calmag every second watering?
personally, I think you're overloading her, especially on the cal/mag. your nutes should have plenty of those that you don't need to supplement so much.
 

Silentvirtue

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I feed every watering (every 3-4 days then every other day when bigger) I feed at 5.5 everytime. 6 is to high for coco. 5.8 max.

Physically speaking you should vary the pH between 5.5 and 5.8 every now and again to help with take up.
 

BorgCube

Member
personally, I think you're overloading her, especially on the cal/mag. your nutes should have plenty of those that you don't need to supplement so much.
The nutrient schedule I've been observing has been this one here:

He talks a bit more about EC targets here:
 

Silentvirtue

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I also only buffer coco with Calmag. Normally 2/3ml per litre let it soak 24 hrs rinse and soak again for another 24 hours.
 

BorgCube

Member
buffering it is one thing, but his guide is telling him to feed 1100-1200 ppms of mostly cal-mag EVERY watering, which is up to 5 times a day.lol
Hm, PPM target the site instructs, at early veg is 550, with some adjustment if your tent runs humid or dry...
 

Tuckatan

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Easier schedule to follow attached. Should have no issues using this one. Sounds like they are over complicating your grow:

Keep your PH around the low end of the range 5.6 - 5.8 while in veg, and kick it up around 6 - 6.2 in flower.
 

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BorgCube

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I wonder if the site's Calmag PPM is balanced by the higher pH? Higher pH means less nutrient uptake right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, very new to all this -- trying to soak it in, and the information varies greatly from site to site.
 

teddy bonkers

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I wonder if the site's Calmag PPM is balanced by the higher pH? Higher pH means less nutrient uptake right? Forgive me if I'm wrong, very new to all this -- trying to soak it in, and the information varies greatly from site to site.
 

Tuckatan

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@Tuckatan how often are you watering? As needed based on how dry it feels? Cocoforcannabis.com recommends maintaining 90-100% saturation.
You don’t want to let your coco dry out, that will give you issues, so once it looks dry on top, light brown, give it a water/feed.

It depends on your pot and plant size, it can vary significantly... though i use fabric pots so it dries a fair bit quicker than a plastic pot.

I don’t ever feed more than once a day though. Just give it a water/feed to 10-20% runoff when it’s looking dry on top. The worst thing you can do is overthink it! Give it steady nutrients and water when the top is dry, and keep your PH in check, and you will be golden!
 
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